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#21 Jody Smokes

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Posted April 29, 2014 - 10:51 AM

How is losing to better teams and players somehow a negative mark? If CP3 never leads a team to a ring so be it.  The West is so competitive it's hard to look at any of the ringless teams and say they are failures.  Because last time I checked the Warriors and Clips were equally talented, the Spurs are very good, Memphis causes issues everywhere and Portland and Houston aren't cakewalk teams.

 

It's not like CP3 is in the East losing to the Wizards in the first round.  When he was in NO they lost to the Lakers one year and also the Spurs in 7 games.  Last year barring a Blake injury they probably beat Memphis. 

 

This whole idea that when teams lose it somehow means they choked is stupid.  Why can't the other team just be superior?  As competitive as the West has been the last decade and beyond no one that has failed to win unless they were clearly the favorites choked.  The 2011 Lakers choked, the 2007 Mavs choked against the Warriors.  Those were choke jobs.  Losing to an evenly talented or better team isn't choking its probably what was supposed to happen

 

In 8 seasons CP3 led teams have only made it to round 2 twice. Never to round 3. Hes 16-24 in playoff games. Its not fair to shoulder the blame elsewhere as if hes not surrounded by talent. He has been. Besides, some consider him the games best player after Bron. He should be able to find a way for his team to win. Its obvious hes failed to do so. When are people gonna stop praising him as the games best PG and starts considering the commonality that the teams he leads always fail to be competitive? 


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Posted April 29, 2014 - 10:52 AM

currently?

So there's still a chance?

Mmmmmmmmm

Edited by Lewd, April 29, 2014 - 10:52 AM.


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Posted April 29, 2014 - 10:58 AM

My bad, Adam Silver already announced that he current has no plans to free em from their contracts.

It's okay.

 

Was too soon. Adam Silver can't really announce that he will let the Clippers players become free agents when they still have at least 2 more playoff games to play. Needs them to play well and not think about their future as much as they already are.

 

But the fact that owners are hinting at this, means that this issue is very serious. I doubt that Donald Sterling will be forced to sell what is his. But the NBPA could push for some things to protect the players.



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Posted April 29, 2014 - 11:00 AM

In 8 seasons CP3 led teams have only made it to round 2 twice. Never to round 3. Hes 16-24 in playoff games. Its not fair to shoulder the blame elsewhere as if hes not surrounded by talent. He has been. Besides, some consider him the games best player after Bron. He should be able to find a way for his team to win. Its obvious hes failed to do so. When are people gonna stop praising him as the games best PG and starts considering the commonality that the teams he leads always fail to be competitive? 

It's hard to measure all star point guards with all star wing players like Jordan, Kobe, and LeBron who can lead their teams to the finals all by themselves. They need help. I know he's not a point guard, but Pau Gasol never got out of the first round until he came to the Lakers.


Edited by Jackson, April 29, 2014 - 11:02 AM.


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Posted April 29, 2014 - 11:53 AM

It's hard to measure all star point guards with all star wing players like Jordan, Kobe, and LeBron who can lead their teams to the finals all by themselves. They need help. I know he's not a point guard, but Pau Gasol never got out of the first round until he came to the Lakers.

Jordan, Kobe, and LeBron can't lead teams to the finals by themselves. Pau Gasol was on a crappy team. That's why he never made it past the first round.



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Posted April 29, 2014 - 11:57 AM

Jordan, Kobe, and LeBron can't lead teams to the finals by themselves. Pau Gasol was on a crappy team. That's why he never made it past the first round.

My point is that. If they couldn't; can you really expect a point guard to win by himself in the playoffs?


Edited by Jackson, April 29, 2014 - 11:58 AM.


#27 Majesty

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Posted April 29, 2014 - 12:10 PM

My point is that. If they couldn't; can you really expect a point guard to win by himself in the playoffs?


As deep as a team as CP3 has around him are we really gonna try to use the 'by himself' argument?   Kobe didn't have near as deep a team around him when he won the titles he did without Shaq.  Maybe the reason CP3 was so thrilled to be a Laker initially was because of having a Kobe next to him.  

As you can see having a Kobe next to you and having a Blake Griffin next to you are two completely different things and if Paul was to win a championship he'd likely have to be the 2nd best player on the team. 

CP3 definitely doesn't have a "by himself" situation in the playoffs.   It's not like Al Jefferson and the Bobcats. 


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Posted April 29, 2014 - 02:50 PM

Would like to point out that even though currently their is no plans of letting the players become FA's, this could change. If this goes into a long litigation and the clippers are unable to even be legally allowed to play a game then you may see the FA option come back. Sterling is a very stubborn person and will try to hurt the clippers and the NBA now. 



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Posted April 30, 2014 - 07:34 AM


As deep as a team as CP3 has around him are we really gonna try to use the 'by himself' argument?   Kobe didn't have near as deep a team around him when he won the titles he did without Shaq.  Maybe the reason CP3 was so thrilled to be a Laker initially was because of having a Kobe next to him.  

As you can see having a Kobe next to you and having a Blake Griffin next to you are two completely different things and if Paul was to win a championship he'd likely have to be the 2nd best player on the team. 

CP3 definitely doesn't have a "by himself" situation in the playoffs.   It's not like Al Jefferson and the Bobcats. 

 

Name the last great point guard to lead his team to a championship. Tony Parker? Chauncey Billups?

Of course Chris Paul needs support to win a championship, your point guard should not be your leading scorer, what paul does best is put the ball in his guy's hands at the right spot. But if the talent is not there the second round is the best you are going to get.

 

Why does Chris Paul have to be in the Kobe Bryant class to be a big piece to a championship? Yes you pair him with another all star talent but I don't see how that's a diss to Chris Paul's game.

 

For the record despite having his best year in his career I still have my doubts about Blake Griffin.


Edited by MrRJ, April 30, 2014 - 07:36 AM.


#30 Majesty

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Posted April 30, 2014 - 04:05 PM

^ if that's the case then it makes all the more sense why Chris Paul should go to OKC and Westbrook should be sent to the Clippers. 

Cause that's literally the only other person aside from Kobe that CP3 can be put next to where he'd fit on the team if Blake Griffin isn't enough. 


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