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#41 Majesty

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Posted March 14, 2014 - 06:16 PM

You just don't get the point.

 

Amazing.



the point is there's other things that would need to be solved.  

You'd hate this season anyway. 

D'antoni being gone doesn't stop us from getting blown out. 

With him gone we'd still lose by 50.  

We'd still keep the worst record in the west, we'd still be lottery bound.. we'd still have 14 of our next 18 opponents being playoff teams and we'd still lose a majority of the games.

the only difference is you wouldn't have D'antoni to blame anymore.

i'm sure your philosophy is something akin to "I'm not saying D'antoni is the only problem but he's part of the problem that needs to be moved for this team to really move forward" 

All the other problems can't be solved till the off-season so you'd get the same result with him as coach finishing out this year as you would without.  and THAT is my point. So if you're going to solve something do it in the off-season because it changes nothing as of right now till the end of this season.   So this team doesn't "move forward" no matter what you do this season till the off-season.   Cause the multitude of moves that can help won't happen till then.


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Posted March 14, 2014 - 06:19 PM

Would we be losing? Yes.

 

Would we be getting blown out like we constantly are? That's debatable.  We are on the verge of setting a franchise record for 20+ point losses in a season if this score holds, that means it has only happened to one coach in Lakers history, even in the down years.



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Posted March 14, 2014 - 06:19 PM

If mda isn't one of the main problems, what is?

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Posted March 14, 2014 - 06:26 PM

If mda isn't one of the main problems, what is?

 

MDA was given a bad hand this season.. plus the injuries took a toll.  So in the short term MDA is not the problem. This season is a bust and we may as well stick with MDA so that we get a good draft pick.

 

Long term MDA is a problem. His style does not mesh with Kobe. His stresses on defense much less.

With the correct set of players he can win a lot of games - but even then that is not a formula to win a championship.

 

So if he remains after this year that is definitely a problem. Plus many players probably do not respect him as much now.



#45 Majesty

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Posted March 14, 2014 - 06:27 PM

Would we be losing? Yes.

 

Would we be getting blown out like we constantly are? That's debatable.  We are on the verge of setting a franchise record for 20+ point losses in a season if this score holds, that means it has only happened to one coach in Lakers history, even in the down years.


Depends really. 

Rambis had a more talented team than we currently if not closely similar(but no Kevin Love) have and they ranked 28th defensively, 29th offensively and had the worst record in the league, and he'd be the head coach while D'antoni was gone. 

So there's nothing about that which tells me we wouldn't be getting blown out consistently still.   Maybe one spirited effort after his release but back down to earth afterwards. 
 


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Posted March 14, 2014 - 06:28 PM

No question this team has alot of issues.  Majesty, please share which ones you believe that we have that are not in some way connected to this coach?



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Posted March 14, 2014 - 06:31 PM

Kurt Rambo lol
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Posted March 14, 2014 - 06:32 PM

I'd argue that many of the bad hands mda got were his own. He runs a style of offense that is too fast paced (players break down), Dwight disliked him and that may be part of the reason he left, he refuses to have his players play defense. He has a big guy in Kaman who is better than scare and won't play him. His demeanor is off putting and he doesn't help his own cause.

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Posted March 14, 2014 - 06:32 PM

MDA was given a bad hand this season.. plus the injuries took a toll.  So in the short term MDA is not the problem. This season is a bust and we may as well stick with MDA so that we get a good draft pick.

 

Long term MDA is a problem. His style does not mesh with Kobe. His stresses on defense much less.

With the correct set of players he can win a lot of games - but even then that is not a formula to win a championship.

 

So if he remains after this year that is definitely a problem. Plus many players probably do not respect him as much now.

Bad hand?  He got to pick many of these players to fit his "system".  Majesty and others were telling us  preseason how well the team was constructed, how many of these players were tremendous "finds" by the FO.  Some here were predicting a 50 win season.

 

Injuries?  Many have occurred as a direct result of his style of play/ "system".  Knees, hammies, groins, etc.

 

What else you got?



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Posted March 14, 2014 - 06:36 PM


Depends really. 

Rambis had a more talented team than we currently if not closely similar(but no Kevin Love) have and they ranked 28th defensively, 29th offensively and had the worst record in the league, and he'd be the head coach while D'antoni was gone. 

So there's nothing about that which tells me we wouldn't be getting blown out consistently still.   Maybe one spirited effort after his release but back down to earth afterwards. 
 

 

See your thing is that whenever people call for D'Antoni to be fired, you seem to think that means that those people believe another coach would lead this team to wins and that is not the case.

 

Fans know this roster is depleted and would not have much more success with another coach, but as you and I have already discussed in the past, D'Antoni isn't the coach to lead the Lakers to another title.

 

People want to wonder why we get killed on the boards, it is because we play small.  People want to wonder why we give up 100+ points consistently, it is because we run an uptempo offense and get as many as possessions possible that leads to the other team getting more possessions and since we can't stop them, blowouts like this happen.

 

His relationship with players is terrible, it happened in New York.  His success in Phoenix was fools gold thanks to a prime Steve Nash.  Check his record without a prime Steve Nash.

 

The list goes on and on.  The fact remains that D'Antoni is not good for the Lakers brand.  He's not completely to blame as I said, but no one can tell me that he is doing more good than harm to this team/franchise.



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Posted March 14, 2014 - 06:39 PM

Bad hand?  He got to pick many of these players to fit his "system".  Majesty and others were telling us  preseason how well the team was constructed, how many of these players were tremendous "finds" by the FO.  Some here were predicting a 50 win season.

 

Injuries?  Many have occurred as a direct result of his style of play/ "system".  Knees, hammies, groins, etc.

 

What else you got?

 

I am not defending MDA at all. But I blame the FO (Mitch and Jim B) far more for choosing him. When you sign a D12 MDA is not the coach you should go for.   And if a FO thinks that the team's coach should be based on a 40 yr old pt guard, then they need to get their head examined.

 

The finds are not tremendous. Never have been. There is a reason many were in D league. We in Lakerland have seen young bench players play less and less minutes. So when they score 15 pts we think they are tremendous.

 

Yes some injuries were as a result of MDA's rotations (including Kobe's)  but not all.



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Posted March 14, 2014 - 06:47 PM

I am not defending MDA at all. But I blame the FO (Mitch and Jim B) far more for choosing him. When you sign a D12 MDA is not the coach you should go for.   And if a FO thinks that the team's coach should be based on a 40 yr old pt guard, then they need to get their head examined.

 

The finds are not tremendous. Never have been. There is a reason many were in D league. We in Lakerland have seen young bench players play less and less minutes. So when they score 15 pts we think they are tremendous.

 

Yes some injuries were as a result of MDA's rotations (including Kobe's)  but not all.

Agree with you.  I fault the FO and I fault MDA for this mess.   We could debate who deserves more blame.  MDA's deficiencies are glaring.  Yet folks continue to defend Mitch.  He is not incompetent but he is far from the genius he is perceived by many here to be.



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Posted March 14, 2014 - 06:49 PM

So we "only" lost by 34 tonight.  Joy.  SAS starters played an average of, oh, 15 minutes each.  We got creamed by the bench which is better than our starters.



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Posted March 14, 2014 - 06:50 PM

oh there's been plenty of diamond in ruff finds. 

But all diamond in the ruffs(currently) are nothing higher than a role player on a championship team.    When you have a team full of role players unless one has an outstanding game things fall apart in the absense of stars. 

Injure Chris Paul, Deandre Jordan, and Blake Griffin and remove them from the Clippers and you'd have a team that isn't going anywhere but has a lot of role playing talent that needs talent in order to excel.  

 

Take Paul George, Roy Hibbert and Lance Stephenson off the Pacers and you'll have the same thing. 

Take Lebron, Bosh and Wade from Miami and you'll have the same thing

Take Lilliard and Aldridge from the Blazers and you'll have the same thing

You need star talent to win in this league.  The days when a team like Detroit with no star goes on to win the NBA finals are over with. 


The only team that seems to change that dynamic is the Chicago Bulls.  Their only star if you call him that is Noah.   Take him from the equation and that team scarcely wins another game.

it takes coaching and star talent to win in this league.  

You can get rid of D'antoni.  But as long as your best player is Pau Gasol(for an entire season), you're a lottery bound team and if he's your second best player you're a first round exit.   

You have good role players on this Lakers team and you have people that are easily replaceable by a draft pick. 

Your two biggest problems is that you have a coach that has a run and gun style but the key of the run and gun style is not the ability to run fast and get up and down the court, the secret to run and gun is defense leading to fast breaks. Defense in the form of steals, blocks, rebounds.  that's why D'antoni's phoenix teams always got their fast breaks off, Stat was actually a fine defender as well as some of the other people they had on the wings and they were always top half in the league in rebounds, blocks, steals or causing turnovers and at times top 10. 

That's why that style worked. 

Our team this year?  25th rebounding, 29th in causing turnovers, 3rd in blocks and 3rd in three point shooting and tied with Portland at Field Goal percentage if you can believe that.  

IF you want a coach that can coach this team you'd look at Stan Van Gundy whose teams have always been top 10 defensively.  

 

The problem is still within the roster there's no interior defender whatsoever and that is something this team must address otherwise it doesn't matter if you go get Carmelo, Kevin Love and LeBron, the team will still give up 60 points in the paint.  

if "Change" is to come to this team.  Gasol can no longer be the 2nd best guy on this team, nor the first best guy.  Whether that has to do with a healthy Kobe returning or what not, it needs to change.   If Gasol remains here(don't bank on it) there's going to have to be someone else brought in that can be put in front of him on the food chain.  till that happens, even with your new coach, new system, new 'way of life' the Lakers will remain a first/second round exit at their very best. 

And Mitch has already said that he's not going to waste cap to make a middle of the pack team. 

So in my opinion, you COULD fire D'antoni.  As long as you understand this team is going down this year regardless and you'll need a HECK of an off-season to change your fortune no matter WHAT coach you bring in.  Cause I guarantee you, none are even as 'proven' if you want to call it that, within recent years as even D'antoni.   Only Stan Van ranks higher, and even if you get him, you'll need an interior defender, or the kind of funneling defense he runs will lead to more layups and more layups and more layups and the same complaints will happen but placed on whomever is the other coach we have. 


Edited by Majesty, March 14, 2014 - 06:52 PM.

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Posted March 14, 2014 - 06:55 PM

First team to be eliminated from playoff contention, cheers everyone....

 

 

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Posted March 14, 2014 - 06:58 PM

See your thing is that whenever people call for D'Antoni to be fired, you seem to think that means that those people believe another coach would lead this team to wins and that is not the case.

 

Fans know this roster is depleted and would not have much more success with another coach, but as you and I have already discussed in the past, D'Antoni isn't the coach to lead the Lakers to another title.

 

Majesty continues not to understand this.


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Posted March 14, 2014 - 07:34 PM

Lakers are Eliminated from Playoffs :(

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Posted March 14, 2014 - 08:04 PM

Gameday thread just pulling out 3 pages and my friend who works with tv ratings said that Time Warner's rating are now down 42%.  In case you don't understand how huge that is, when ratings go down 10% people get fired and panic begins to set in.

 

Ouch on both counts.



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Posted March 14, 2014 - 08:50 PM

First team to be eliminated from playoff contention, cheers everyone....

 

 

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Great news to start off the weekend...



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Posted March 14, 2014 - 09:15 PM

I find it amusing the Bucks (officially) are in playoff contention.

 

Dat Eastern Conference.






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