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#1 Blax

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Posted January 15, 2014 - 11:54 PM

As tempting as it is to blame Jim Buss for the Los Angeles Lakers’ demise, the actual culprit is David Stern.
 
The franchise saw the writing on the wall during the 2011 winter, and made a move that sent chills to the rest of the league. Mitch Kupchak pulled the trigger on an epic trade with the then New Orleans Hornets.
 
The transaction had Chris Paul joining the Purple and Gold, while Lamar Odom was redirected to New Orleans and Pau Gasol went over to the Houston Rockets. The swap allowed the Lakers to start over without actually rebuilding.
 
Mike Bresnahan and Broderick Turner of the L.A. Times offered this observation of the Lakers: “The trade would have symbolized the Lakers' shift from finesse, precision and depth in the frontcourt to speed and athleticism in the backcourt.”
 
Indeed, the team had a nucleus of Kobe Bryant, Andrew Bynum and Paul. That three-headed monster would have immediately restored the Lakers mystique and likely allowed the squad to sit atop the standings.
 
Sadly for the Los Angeles faithful, the NBA commissioner famously vetoed the trade for basketball reasons and forced Kupchak to look elsewhere to improve the roster. The league had purchased the Hornets because the previous owner could no longer cover the costs, which meant that Stern was its de facto owner.
 
In the aftermath of the rejected proposal, the Lakers eventually moved around some parts, and the result is the disaster the franchise is facing today.
 
Nonetheless, one can only wonder where the Lake Show would be had Stern allowed the transaction to pass.
 
What Could Have Been
 
In an alternate universe where David Stern allowed Chris Paul to join the Los Angeles Lakers, the team’s fortunes would have been vastly different. Indeed, the 2011-12 team probably finishes with the third-best record in the Western Conference and meets up with the Oklahoma City Thunder in the second round.
 
Although the Thunder probably prevail, the Lakers take them to seven games and give their fans something to look forward to in the near future. With the best point guard in the game on board, players are lining up to join the Purple and Gold in the offseason on the cheap.
 
The Lakers get an opportunity to add talented pieces and compete for titles. What’s more, the front office probably still acquires Dwight Howard in a four-team trade where Andrew Bynum lands with the Philadelphia 76ers.
 
Howard is a shell of his former self because of back surgery, but he still gives Los Angeles some good interior play, which leads to a few wins. The Lakers are probably a good offensive unit despite the shortcomings of Mike Brown on this side of the ball and in addition, Kobe Bryant enjoys a functional working relationship with Howard.
 
 
Read rest of article here:
 

http://bleacherrepor...or-their-demise

 

 

I regret reading this....it just makes my blood boil, but it's so true. The blame Jim is getting from us fans are mostly (*cough MDA) undeserved. The malice I have towards that midget is incomprehensible. 



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Posted January 16, 2014 - 12:01 AM

Shorten the article. 



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Posted January 16, 2014 - 12:14 AM

Gots to agree man what could of been ....


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Posted January 16, 2014 - 12:53 AM

I don't care what anybody says, Lakers fans at least the true Lakers fans will never get over the fact that the Commissioner publicly screwed the Lakers from getting the best PG in the NBA. Basically speaking since the new CBA that allows an even share between owners, I'd say David Stern not only screwed himself over by doing this but screwed over every owner in the NBA. When the Lakers are doing well, the entire league makes a fortune. I'm glad Jerry West publicly called out David Stern in front of the entire crowd at Dr. Buss's memorial because everyone knows that he comprised the integrity of the sport

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Posted January 16, 2014 - 01:05 AM

We should and I do.

But that doesn't excuse the lousy job done by Jim Buss recently.
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Posted January 16, 2014 - 01:14 AM

We should and I do.

But that doesn't excuse the lousy job done by Jim Buss recently.


Oh absolutely, no doubt about it. Jim is running this organization to the ground but this Chris Paul deal wasn't his fault. Which makes sense that everything has gone downhill for the Lakers

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Posted January 16, 2014 - 01:50 AM

Chris Paul was their plan before the 2014-2015 reload.  

That deal fell apart so we've been pretty much in limbo before the 2014-2015 reload. 


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Posted January 16, 2014 - 04:59 AM

Love CP3...but very injury prone it seems every year i'd point out.

K Marsh just may be our diamond in the rough at a very cheap price...but yeah...whenever the dust settles i hope the lakers get lucky and land a great player. They have before and probably will again.


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Posted January 16, 2014 - 06:11 AM

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#10 LakersGAFan

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Posted January 16, 2014 - 06:14 AM

Stern inadvertently helped us imo. Now we can get off our proud horse and tank to grab a top prospect that will be our star/leader for the next decade.


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Posted January 16, 2014 - 06:17 AM

Lakers had plenty of chances to right the ship after the veto.  Guys just need to move on. 


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Posted January 16, 2014 - 07:18 AM

Enough with the CP3 talk. It's been 3 season now. Move on already

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Posted January 16, 2014 - 07:22 AM

If the lakers had the first pick when Lebron came out they'd have him. The trade for vetoed and stern sucks; oh well. The rest of the bad decisions this organization has made are not Sterns fault.

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Posted January 16, 2014 - 07:39 AM

I'm pass the CP3 thing now. Shoulda woulda coulda. It is about now
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Posted January 16, 2014 - 08:11 AM

Although, Magic hit the nail on the head with Jimmy boy.
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Posted January 16, 2014 - 08:17 AM

LA can blame LA 


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Posted January 16, 2014 - 10:20 AM

To the Jim Buss haters

 

Lets say he and his dad would have hired Shaw, and not Mike Brown....you realize Kobe would still be old as dirt, Pau is still soft as [expletive], and Howard never liked Kobe and those two would have never meshed.

 

 

I don't think in any universe, you can blame Jim Buss.

 

Phil is done and last season probably would have worsened his health.

 

If the team was too slow in 2011, you think the Bad back Dwight team, and Jamison and all those guys would have fared better against OKC and  all these speedy young teams that simply RAN us off the court the last few seasons?

 

 

After losing CP3, we "lost" Odoma nd Pau forever. Let's be real. They both never REALLY recovered.

 

meanwhile, it was a reason last year should hve been embraced more.

 

Kobe was doing some un heard of level play at his age/ minutes played in the NBA.

 

 

As far as MDA being to blame for Kobe's end of season breakdown....

 

Well, the years prior to thlast, Kobe broke down at the end of those seasons too.

 

 

If ANYTHING, Jim is doing a GREAt job. now we're in position to get a good draft pick in the best draft in a decade( allegedly)

And we have money for 2014 and 2016.

 

 

In my estimation, people want the GOOD but not the BAD

 

 

I mean, a 15 win season is what LED Miami to be in position to have a dynasty. And the same with Boston( though they only won one chip)

 

We won some titles, we tried to see if tweaks could be made, then we added superstars, now we see it's OVER. The Kobe-Pau thinkg is done.

 

Next year Pau WILL be gone, KObe will be in his victory lap, andsome young stud will be here learning how CRAZY Laker fans are.

 

 

Lets go back in history

 

1990s sucked for Laker fans, right? That was Jerry and Jerry

 

In 1996, we got Kobe and Shaq, but it still takes a couple years to figure it out----2000-2010 we get 5 titles

 

 

So , in 2016, Kobe comes off the books and we have whatever young stud we draft and maybe even a Kevin Love or Melo or somebody who can ball and we sign or trade for another guy and BAM, we'll be on our way

 

 

But if you have been a fan, since Magic's retirementt, I don't want to hear no bull[expletive] about 

 

 

"Jim Buss ruining" ANYTHING

 

 

This is typical for the Lakers, it's just people want to LIVE IN DENIAL.

 

 

 

Jerry Buss was ALIVE during the 90s and during the " Kobe in his absolute prime, but playing with Smush and company" era.

 

I don't want to hear claims that don't take into consideration the full depth of the Lakers history

 

OR the CBA aimed specifically AT the Lakers, OR the failed CP3 trade.

 

 

otherwise, you're LYING



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Posted January 16, 2014 - 10:21 AM

LA can blame LA 

Period.  The Stern screwed us theme is technically incorrect and very old.



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Posted January 16, 2014 - 10:21 AM

Although, Magic hit the nail on the head with Jimmy boy.

No, he really didn't.

 

 

How would he know if Mitch had NO say whatsoever.

 

Why does he keep bringing up Jerry West , as if Phil didn't push Jerry out.

 

 

If Magic insist that Mitch is just there, and Jim makes ALL the decisions, he is DUMB. Period.



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Posted January 16, 2014 - 10:36 AM

Chris Paul was their plan before the 2014-2015 reload.  

That deal fell apart so we've been pretty much in limbo before the 2014-2015 reload. 

THIS

 

But out of respect to Kobe still being elite, they didn't just wait until Pau expired to try and get a deal done

 

They traded Drew for Dwight. They lost Sessions, because he  feared LA's spotlight, and so took a chance on NAsh

 

Now , some people say that was horrible because we would have had draft picks

 

But I wonder to you all, would those picks have been BETTER players than the young guys we have

 

Like Wes, Xavier, Jordan Hill, Farmar, Marshall, Meeks

 

 

BC I can't see them being better, considering we have never been in the lottery, until this season and alll those guys were projected to have LOTTERY level TALENT, and we've seen flashes of it from all

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So let's go to Mike Brown and mike D'Antoni.... 

 

Phil wasn't available for the Mike Brown hire. People wanted Shaw or Aldeman... Rick has never won ANYTHING and frankly Mike Brown had a superior resume to Shaw.

 

 

But if Jim Buss, is the guy they CLAIm, why did he FIRE Mike Brown so quickly. He is STUBBORN right?

 

No, he got rid of the guy who lost the team

 

 

Now MDA over Phil, is why half of you hate him. Not realizing it was MDA at 4 million as a coach vs OPhil at 10-12 as coach /President of basketball operations.

 

 

To me, Phil was perceived as insensitive by his demands, Period. People who want to watch h the Lakers win basketball games, don't want to hear that,.

 

But no matter what anyone says, there is NO way the Lakers were winning ANYTHING next season. So what's the difference be=tween a first round exit, and MAYBE with Phil a second round exit.

 

And this season, let's say we had Phil....we would be contenders in your brain?

 

 

 

 

And then what we miss out on our next franchise superstar...

 

 

Basically, I need some  of you to realize, that this is the 90s..LBJ is MJ and we're on a search for teh next Kobe-Shaq / Magic-Kareem

 

 

That requires a year or two of not playing great ball.'

 

 

 

But when you see cap space in the horizon and the possibility of getting a good young star is also there, how can you say the FRANCHISE is ruined.

 

 

It's almost like you want to be angry here. There is already a mob mentality, where when someone become s a popular target.

 

In the title years, it was the bench, and ODUMB then in 2011 it was Pau, next season Bynum, next season Mike Brown, next season MDA, and in 2014 it will be KObe on his last legs that most will turn on and his contract, and then the last season, it will be questions about the young guy we drafted and he he has the HEART to take over when Kobe retires and that's just how internet fans are

 

 

 

But maybe some of you young guys will see, once the Heat 's winning is over, the reality of post-dynasty life.

 

 

Ask the Bulls, all those years of losing, then they get Rose and now he might not be the savior they expected.






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