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Posted January 27, 2014 - 10:31 PM

^I'm curious, what makes you think that Macklemore was insincere about gay rights? I'm just curious. He comes from one of the most liberal cities in America where they just elected someone from the socialist party to serve on the city council. Washington state is still one of the very few states where gay marriage is legal. The only reason he blew up was because Seattle carried him into the mainstream...

 

I was open to the possibility that peoples' views change over time.
 
If we are open to such a possibility, I'm curious about any other reasons as to why one thinks Macklemore was insincere in his song about gay rights.

 
If I am shown homophobic tweets with a timestamp dated after the song "Same Love" was made, then this answers my question.


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Posted January 29, 2014 - 02:01 AM

Fabolous: Macklemore Is Not Overrated


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Posted January 29, 2014 - 10:16 AM

Fabolous: Macklemore Is Not Overrated

lol hes being nice


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Posted January 29, 2014 - 11:14 AM

lol hes being nice


I think so as well. Fabolous is hands down better than Macklemore not even a question
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Posted January 30, 2014 - 09:58 PM

I was open to the possibility that peoples' views change over time.

 

If we are open to such a possibility, I'm curious about any other reasons as to why one thinks Macklemore was insincere in his song about gay rights.


Because they prefer Kendrick over him.  They really have no idea. 

And if any other rapper came out and defended Macklemore they'd say the rapper is insincere.  Not because they actually are are but because they(the fan) doesn't want to believe it. 


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Posted January 31, 2014 - 10:29 AM


Because they prefer Kendrick over him. They really have no idea.

And if any other rapper came out and defended Macklemore they'd say the rapper is insincere. Not because they actually are are but because they(the fan) doesn't want to believe it.

When the artist (the guy who made the album) who won believes the Grammys system (ballots to everyone inexperienced in some genres) is flawed, there is no other conclusion then that artist (the guy who made the album) is overrated because he did not deserve the award (also admitted on radio and weird Instagram post). Get that through your head please. As a rapper you aren't going to call another rapper overrated just because he won and you (Fab) have not really accomplished a Grammy in his life. It's a public relation move. PR as some as you call it. Macklemore's Instagram and radio stints can be considered a PR move too, but I think he knows he actually committed a "Heist" at the award ceremonies.

Above all, the Grammys did kendrick extremely wrong. An album with this much critical acclaim should not be snubbed in an award ceremony. Sadly, I hope the Grammys improve their voting system and allow experts of each Genre to vote (they probably won't).

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Posted January 31, 2014 - 11:10 AM

I just feel like Macklemore saw a market he could make money with.

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Posted January 31, 2014 - 11:27 AM

How is it insincere when he has two gay uncles and a gay god father? He is most likely speaking from the things he saw and experienced from that, not just to make money. I will say it again, people don't like Macklemore but he raps about deeper stuff then 99% of what is out there today.

 

It amazes me how much he is hated on this board. I read what you guys put about rap all the time, and you always say there has to be a message and it must have content to be a good rap song. Other then his commercial hits (which all rappers have) his songs of full of the stuff the majority on here says is needed for someone to be a good rapper. So why isn't he a good rapper then?


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Posted January 31, 2014 - 11:28 AM

Depth? Please

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Posted January 31, 2014 - 01:17 PM

Depth? Please

 

How about you actually listen to the heist before you talk? I'm not a big macklemore fan, but I dont hate on the guy just because he won some awards I didnt agree with. There are a couple of songs on his album that have a deeper meaning than most of the stuff released today.

 

A lot of people judge a person based on what they think of them rather then the quality of their art, sad.


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Posted January 31, 2014 - 01:31 PM

Same Love, which is part of The Heist if I am not mistaken, was arguably the deciding factor in the legalization of gay marriage up in the pacific northwest.

 

Name any other rapper whose music has lead to political change in the area of LGBT civil rights. Just one.

 

I still think that Kendrick is the superior rapper, but I do understand why Macklemore won...


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Posted January 31, 2014 - 04:58 PM

Same Love, which is part of The Heist if I am not mistaken, was arguably the deciding factor in the legalization of gay marriage up in the pacific northwest.

 

Name any other rapper whose music has lead to political change in the area of LGBT civil rights. Just one.

 

I still think that Kendrick is the superior rapper, but I do understand why Macklemore won...



Pretty much.   

In my opinion some people shouldn't try to diminish what Macklemore has done just to beef up Kendrick.  

 

Kendrick doesn't need ot be beefed up, he's already better than Macklemore.  

But don't use his winning a Grammy to try to diminish his message or what he's trying to say or his overall skills.    

Macklemore is a awesome skilled lyricist and just because he raps about discrimination or gay marriage or not spending thousands of dollars on clothes doesn't make him less 'real' than Kendrick.  

For years people said they wanted a rapper that didn't sing about cars, money, expensive clothes, and how many women they can get. 


Thrift shop IS THE ANTI version of all of those songs.  That is why it did so well.  And it was perfectly produced, it was given in a 'mainstream style' that would get people to listen but then when the lyrics hit you it's much better than that.  So it was the perfect blend of a song that COULD get the mainstream audiences attention while delivering the message haters of "Swag Rap" have wanted for the past 15 years. 

 

His line at 2:31 - 2:56 is what made me go "wait a minute..... THIS IS THE SONG I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR" and when I instantly started liking him.    

Obviously Kendrick is better.  But one of the biggest rap songs in the world right now is a song denouncing wasting money on expensive clothing and jewelry and how it's not guaranteed to get you laid by groupies to save your money but it's better than feeling like an idiot spending $50 for a t-shirt.  

 

It's basically the song people in hip hop that have been complaining about all the "brag and swag" rappers messages for the past 10-15 years of rap and have been needing a rapper to come out in the mainstream and deliver that message.  Macklemore did and it got HUGE.   So it proved a point as well.   

That's a great message moving forward and I enjoy his other songs and their message.  Kendrick is obviously better than him but I'm not gonna stop liking Macklemore or his message or start acting like he's phony all because the grammy's robbed Kendrick.    It's nice having two awesome lyricists with messages at the top of the charts and NOT going at each others throats, and it shouldn't become that otherwise the overall message is lost.  

There are certain artists that have "Beefed" over time.  Macklemore and Kendrick should NEVER be two that do.  

Otherwise the entire message is lost, from both of them.  


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Posted January 31, 2014 - 05:27 PM

It amazes me how much he is hated on this board. I read what you guys put about rap all the time, and you always say there has to be a message and it must have content to be a good rap song. Other then his commercial hits (which all rappers have) his songs of full of the stuff the majority on here says is needed for someone to be a good rapper. So why isn't he a good rapper then?

No one saying he is bad. I believe he is decent. The way he deliver's these messages are pretty lackluster compared to that of Kendricks. He completely robbed an excellent rapper.

 

 

Kendrick is a guy who also put up messages but with delivered it wayyy better than Macklemore. Macklemore had more support because of his "pop-ish" elements added to his songs. These songs had more radio appeal and more publicity causing those who are not really experienced in the genre to vote for him.. A person doesn't deserve a Grammy if another artist had an album that was 10x better. That is my point. 

 

All of your opinions are, "oh his album was good (had a message too), he deserves it." My point is that Kendricks album was exceptional and he got snubbed.  

 

At the end of the day, Macklemore's album won't be really accepted by the true Rap community (rappers not fans), and Kendricks will be honored for decades.


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Posted January 31, 2014 - 05:50 PM

No one saying he is bad. I believe he is decent. The way he deliver's these messages are pretty lackluster compared to that of Kendricks. He completely robbed an excellent rapper.

 

 

Kendrick is a guy who also put up messages but with delivered it wayyy better than Macklemore. Macklemore had more support because of his "pop-ish" elements added to his songs. These songs had more radio appeal and more publicity causing those who are not really experienced in the genre to vote for him.. A person doesn't deserve a Grammy if another artist had an album that was 10x better. That is my point. 

 

All of your opinions are, "oh his album was good (had a message too), he deserves it." My point is that Kendricks album was exceptional and he got snubbed.  

 

At the end of the day, Macklemore's album won't be really accepted by the true Rap community (rappers not fans), and Kendricks will be honored for decades.



HE didn't rob Kendrick. 

The Grammy's did. 

hate the Grammy's not Macklemore.   

Eminem has already vouched for Macklemore AND his album.. 


 

 

 

Macklemore's albums isn't as good as Kendricks but no other rap CD is.   Even if Macklemore's was 2nd it's still a pretty strong album and it's of more substance of any CD that's been released by someone not named Lupe, Nas, J-Cole, Kendrick in the past 10 years.   

You can't make a blanket statement like "Macklemore's album won't be accepted by the true rap community" when rappers constantly talk good about the guy and his album and praise his lyricism and his message.   Like Eminem above. 


None of them are likely to say that he's better than Kendrick.   But they aren't gonna sell Macklemore short for his skill either. 

 

There is no "true rap community" 


There's good with substance and there's garbage with bragging.  Both Kendrick and Macklemore are both skilled and both deserve to be at the top right now.   

The only person I feel bad about is Lupe cause [expletive], Bad didn't get nearly as much attention as it should have. 

Honestly the only person that's going to really break into the mainstream as a hardcore rapper with a message is Kendrick.   Macklemore breaks into as a different type but they are both skilled. 

Lupe unfortunately isn't.   His message is fantastic and his lyricism is excellent but he isn't gonna crossover, not with Kendrick there.   Kendrick's the guy that's going to be the rough message giver and he's very fortunate to have made it like that cause a lot of message rappers have gone down the wayside as well known but not crossover. 

For years we have wanted a rapper that COULD crossover and get those hundreds of millions of youtube views like Lil Wayne used to but have a different message to give and one of substance. 

We have two, in Kendrick and Macklemore.    So I'm not gonna look a gift horse in the mouth cause of idiots in charge of the grammy's.  I'm gonna enjoy this resurgence where the "brag and swag" days are coming to an end :D   :bounce:  :woot:


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Posted January 31, 2014 - 05:55 PM

No one saying he is bad. I believe he is decent. The way he deliver's these messages are pretty lackluster compared to that of Kendricks. He completely robbed an excellent rapper.

 

 

Kendrick is a guy who also put up messages but with delivered it wayyy better than Macklemore. Macklemore had more support because of his "pop-ish" elements added to his songs. These songs had more radio appeal and more publicity causing those who are not really experienced in the genre to vote for him.. A person doesn't deserve a Grammy if another artist had an album that was 10x better. That is my point. 

 

All of your opinions are, "oh his album was good (had a message too), he deserves it." My point is that Kendricks album was exceptional and he got snubbed.  

 

At the end of the day, Macklemore's album won't be really accepted by the true Rap community (rappers not fans), and Kendricks will be honored for decades.

 

The messages they deliver are much different and really shouldn't be compared. One is about a young mans life in Compton and the struggle in the inner city while the other is talking about same sex marriage rights, consumerism, etc. Not sure how his delivery was lack luster his songs with a message are very well put together. Then again this is just an opinion so no reason to go back and forth with that. On top of this the songs of Macklemore that actually have a message didn't even get any radio play time other than same love since that is just a big political topic. When GKMC came out it got a ton of radio time so that point is mute.

 

Secondly getting snubbed shouldn't have anything to do with macklemore. Did he vote for who won? Was it only up to him? That is like getting mad at Steve Nash when he won the MVP when Kobe deserved it. Also winning an award should not be a big deal and doesnt diminish how good of an album GKMC is. For example Leonardo Dicaprio might finally win an oscar this year, but to many he has been the best and most consistent actor in Hollywood for the last few years. Don't belittle Macklemore as an artist because your angry at the grammys, misplaced hate is a very dangerous thing.


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Posted January 31, 2014 - 11:11 PM

Okay, I shouldn't of said insincere. I just naturally skeptical of hyped up artists. I listened to Macklemore's whole album many times, it was alright. I found it unlistenable after a couple weeks. This was before thrift shop blew up, before I had to listen to the insincerity from my peers about same love. I think that's what I meant when I origanally made the comment. I don't like hyped up artists like Macklemore , because I know he's nothing in comparison to a lot of the guys I listen to. Samething can be said Mac Miller with me.

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Posted February 01, 2014 - 11:07 AM

The messages they deliver are much different and really shouldn't be compared. One is about a young mans life in Compton and the struggle in the inner city while the other is talking about same sex marriage rights, consumerism, etc. Not sure how his delivery was lack luster his songs with a message are very well put together. Then again this is just an opinion so no reason to go back and forth with that. On top of this the songs of Macklemore that actually have a message didn't even get any radio play time other than same love since that is just a big political topic. When GKMC came out it got a ton of radio time so that point is mute.

 

Secondly getting snubbed shouldn't have anything to do with macklemore. Did he vote for who won? Was it only up to him? That is like getting mad at Steve Nash when he won the MVP when Kobe deserved it. Also winning an award should not be a big deal and doesnt diminish how good of an album GKMC is. For example Leonardo Dicaprio might finally win an oscar this year, but to many he has been the best and most consistent actor in Hollywood for the last few years. Don't belittle Macklemore as an artist because your angry at the grammys, misplaced hate is a very dangerous thing.

yeah uhm macklemore got a ballot btw. every artist in it does.... but the majority of the votes come from people who know little of most categories (this is fact, go do some research). second, i didn't belittle him i just said his album was decent lmfaooooo, but definitely not worthy of best rap album in the grammys over a great rap album (reviews, ratings, rap fan support, and critical acclaim show this) like i said, i don't hate macklemore. a non-deserving artist should be rewarded over a deserving artists. it's a pretty simple concept that you and everyone on here doesn't seem to understand. if you think it was put together well, i have nothing to say to that. it is your opinion, however of course. but there is nothing you can say about gkmc being put together better. my thoughts are based on the support of the whole rap genre, critics, rappers, macklemore himself, not just myself. this isn't my opinion i'm voicing, this is raps. nas, 50 cent, india arie all got snubbed many times and they deserved to win too. just think about it how can nas, arguably the greatest rapper of all time not have a grammy... (especially for illmatic).  i am definitely not pulling a race card. the grammy voting system needs to change.

 

horrible comparison with nash and kobe. this isn't an mvp award thats based on most successful player in the most successful team. btw the award is for best "rap" album not most successful rap album. please sit down, you're definitely not gonna win this battle. gkmc got radio time in rap stations not regular stations that everyone listens. outside of swimming pools there was no radio songs in all the most popular radio stations. cant hold us, for example, went 13 times platinum got played in rap stations every 30 minutes. if you didn't know about rap, who would you vote for? i remember switching radio stations 3 times and cant hold us came up each time or it was going to be the next song. same with thrift shop. what radios do you listen to? same love got plenty of radio time :laughing:  :laughing:

 

don't waste your time with me. you're talking to a rap fan since the late 80s.


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Posted February 01, 2014 - 11:18 AM



HE didn't rob Kendrick. 

The Grammy's did. 

hate the Grammy's not Macklemore.   

Eminem has already vouched for Macklemore AND his album.. 


Macklemore: "I robbed Kendrick.." 

Both robbed kenny.

 

PR move or not, there goes your whole unnecessarily long post that brings in lupe out of nowhere.   :smh:

 

em is a dre product, who do you think he supports more  :laughing:  :laughing:

 

saying macklemore doesn't deserve a grammy vs saying mack doesn't deserve a grammy over kendricks gkmc is two different things. he didn't deserve it over gkmc that is my point. and you can't call that belittling.


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Posted February 01, 2014 - 11:23 AM

yeah uhm macklemore got a ballot btw. every artist in it does.... but the majority of the votes come from people who know little of most categories (this is fact, go do some research). second, i didn't belittle him i just said his album was decent lmfaooooo, but definitely not worthy of best rap album in the grammys (reviews, ratings, rap fan support, and critical acclaim show this) like i said, i don't hate macklemore. a non-deserving artist should be rewarded over a deserving artists. it's a pretty simple concept that you and everyone on here doesn't seem to understand. if you think it was put together well, i have nothing to say to that. it is your opinion, however of course. but there is nothing you can say about gkmc being put together better. my thoughts are based on the support of the whole rap genre, critics, rappers, macklemore himself, not just myself. this isn't my opinion i'm voicing, this is raps. nas, 50 cent, india arie all got snubbed many times and they deserved to win too. just think about it how can nas, arguably the greatest rapper of all time not have a grammy... (especially for illmatic).  i am definitely not pulling a race card. the grammy voting system needs to change.

 

horrible comparison with nash and kobe. this isn't an mvp award thats based on most successful player in the most successful team. btw the award is for best "rap" album not most successful rap album. please sit down, you're definitely not gonna win this battle. gkmc got radio time in rap stations not regular stations that everyone listens. outside of swimming pools there was no radio songs in all the most popular radio stations. cant hold us, for example, went 13 times platinum got played in rap stations every 30 minutes. if you didn't know about rap, who would you vote for? i remember switching radio stations 3 times and cant hold us came up each time or it was going to be the next song. same with thrift shop. what radios do you listen to? same love got plenty of radio time :laughing:  :laughing:

 

don't waste your time with me. you're talking to a rap fan since the late 80s.

 

You obviously read my post wrong. I said his commercial hits got a lot of radio time, and the only song with some substance which was same love got some play time. I was trying to point out the songs of his that are actually more hip hop and have a meaning didn't get played on the radio.

 

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Funny how your a fan of hip hop since the 1980's and already calling K.dot king... I expect that from the kids that think they know hip hop, not those that saw it mature and come to what it is today. Takes a lot more than one album to be called king.


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Posted February 01, 2014 - 11:27 AM

You obviously read my post wrong. I said his commercial hits got a lot of radio time, and the only song with some substance same love got some. I was trying to point out the songs of his that are actually more hip hop and have a meaning didn't get played on the radio. 

 

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Made me think of you

it's not snobbery when someone is arguing about an artist that so obviously was more deserving of an award. perhaps if this was the perfect world, mack got the grammy, he deserved in a different year. everyone would win. unfortunately, it wasn't and the grammys didn't deliver correctly.

 

only one gkmc song, maybe two (poetic justice), got significant radio time. compare that to mack.

 

"the message was only in one song? wow that deserved a grammy alright. a commercial hit album deserved a grammy? oh yeah lets give it the grammy everyone listens to it.

 

album was a message itself? not enough listeners, oh yeah lets snub it. "

 

perfect logic in a perfect world don't you say?  :smh:

 

done here


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