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#561 kball

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Posted January 11, 2014 - 03:55 AM

I just wanna thank the heat-nets game for going double ot. Sparing me almost all of the first quarter Lakers. Watched the 2nd quarter. Threw up in my mouth. Went to bed at half...getting over flu


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Praying for 1. Kobe's Health, 2. High Draft Pick (Randle!) 3. Miracle Trade (Not yet), 4. Quality Free Agent (Boozer, kind of), 5. Brilliant Coaching Hire (Byron!...but the jury is out)

 


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Posted January 11, 2014 - 07:45 AM



Injuries or not our front court defense doesn't change. 

Without injuries we're more competitive. 

Our front court issues have been here the entire year, the only reason we won games was because of that bench and depth of the outside.   

Interior defense has sucked ALLL YEAR.... 

Stop acting like we just suddenly started not playing good defense in the paint.    That wasn't why we were winning games before.   Detroit scored every single point they had in the paint against us but we won because of the bench and such.  The interior has always been a problem.  It's didn't just come out of nowhere when guys "aren't trying hard inside on D".  No that's always been a problem.    We were just able to counteract it with production on the other side.  That's why we won games cause the bench would outscore our starters.  

If we had no bench EVERY game would have looked like this from the start of the season till now.  It's reality if you look at what problems the team has had all year. 


If you think we're gonna be competitive with those 5 guys missing you're fooling yourself.  We've never played hard on the interior defensive side all season, the reason we were even at .500 was because of the bench depth and the guys that are out now playing. 

That's the ONLY way this team was competitive and the only way they'll be competitive.    This interior problem didn't just come up after New Years, it's been there the whole year.   It ain't new. 

 

The Lakers had terrible interior defense with Dwight Howard last year, the best defensive center in the league by an enormous margin. They aren't much worse without him.  Interior defense starts with a lack of perimeter defense, always and forever.  Think about it logically, if you are capable of that, which I know you aren't.  If you are a professional basketball team, what shot would you rather take, one from 5 feet from the hoop, or one from 20 feet from the hoop?  It is the perimeter defensive players job to keep the ball from penetrating into the interior, once it is in deep enough, it doesn't really matter who you have down there, NBA players are going to score and at a high clip, sure a great center will change some shots or block a few, fact is, shots from inside the paint go in far more often than long range jumpers and anyone who understands statistics will tell you that you always go for the higher percentage plays. Case in point, we had Dwight Howard last year, other teams went nuts on us, same as they do this season.  The Lakers defense or lack thereof is the problem, systematically it is flawed. It isn't on the interior guys, and it isn't on the perimeter guys either, it is on the whole team, which ultimately means it is on the coaching as they set up the system for the team to play defense as a unit, it isn't one guy who is letting teams score 110 plus every night.  They have no plan offensively or defensively, and it shows.



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Posted January 11, 2014 - 07:13 PM

The Lakers had terrible interior defense with Dwight Howard last year, the best defensive center in the league by an enormous margin. They aren't much worse without him.  Interior defense starts with a lack of perimeter defense, always and forever.  Think about it logically, if you are capable of that, which I know you aren't.  If you are a professional basketball team, what shot would you rather take, one from 5 feet from the hoop, or one from 20 feet from the hoop?  It is the perimeter defensive players job to keep the ball from penetrating into the interior, once it is in deep enough, it doesn't really matter who you have down there, NBA players are going to score and at a high clip, sure a great center will change some shots or block a few, fact is, shots from inside the paint go in far more often than long range jumpers and anyone who understands statistics will tell you that you always go for the higher percentage plays. Case in point, we had Dwight Howard last year, other teams went nuts on us, same as they do this season.  The Lakers defense or lack thereof is the problem, systematically it is flawed. It isn't on the interior guys, and it isn't on the perimeter guys either, it is on the whole team, which ultimately means it is on the coaching as they set up the system for the team to play defense as a unit, it isn't one guy who is letting teams score 110 plus every night.  They have no plan offensively or defensively, and it shows.

 

Yeah, they are. They went from 18th to 25th in defensive efficiency. They went from being mediocre to being awful.

 

Yes, the system is bad. Yes, the roster isn't good. But, Pau Gasol is a large part of this team's problems too. He's terrible as both a help defender and a man defender. He gets gashed on the pick and roll.


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Posted January 12, 2014 - 09:40 AM

Yeah, they are. They went from 18th to 25th in defensive efficiency. They went from being mediocre to being awful.

 

Yes, the system is bad. Yes, the roster isn't good. But, Pau Gasol is a large part of this team's problems too. He's terrible as both a help defender and a man defender. He gets gashed on the pick and roll.

 

No argument here.  However, he has been that bad for basically his entire career.  Hence, it is management and coachings fault for not putting in a system that can help alleviate that problem (perimeter defense, other interior defenders, whatever other hair brained idea they can come up with that isn't "make a bunch of threes and hope for the best").  That is simply understanding the parts that you have, if you have a guy who is great at making undefended threes, you try to get him wide open three point shots.  On the contrary, if you have a guy that is terrible at defending the post, you try to keep the ball out of the post.  Most players have strengths and weaknesses, many times they are glaring.  Pau is no different.



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Posted January 12, 2014 - 07:19 PM

No argument here.  However, he has been that bad for basically his entire career.  Hence, it is management and coachings fault for not putting in a system that can help alleviate that problem (perimeter defense, other interior defenders, whatever other hair brained idea they can come up with that isn't "make a bunch of threes and hope for the best").  That is simply understanding the parts that you have, if you have a guy who is great at making undefended threes, you try to get him wide open three point shots.  On the contrary, if you have a guy that is terrible at defending the post, you try to keep the ball out of the post.  Most players have strengths and weaknesses, many times they are glaring.  Pau is no different.

 

That's not true either. The Lakers won 2 championships mostly because of a lineup that has Gasol at C(Gasol and Odom were more important than Bynum and Gasol even though the latter was the starting front court).

 

He's become awful over time. Yes, the defensive system used to be a lot better. But, he's just become lost as the last line of defense for this team.


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