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Luol Deng on joining the Lakers; Lakers express interest (Pg. 3); Phil Jackson thinks Lakers will target Luol Deng in offseason (Pg. 12)


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#21 Jody Smokes

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Posted December 25, 2013 - 01:35 PM

Lakers don't have a roster next year so the last thing they should do is make Deng a big signing.  He's a great 3rd player at best. 


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Posted December 25, 2013 - 09:31 PM

Lakers don't have a roster next year so the last thing they should do is make Deng a big signing.  He's a great 3rd player at best. 

 

Yes, overpaying Deng would be a bad bad idea. 


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Posted December 25, 2013 - 09:37 PM

As long as we have enough cap space to go after Love in 2015 and Durant in 2016 i wouldnt mind Deng.

Also, Tom Thibodeau is one of Dengs biggest supporters and if he (Thibs) is available as well, perhaps we could land both?

Edited by DanishLakerFan, December 25, 2013 - 10:30 PM.


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Posted December 25, 2013 - 10:51 PM

Love isn't coming here, and Durant isn't coming either. These players aren't going to go through another rebuild mode with the Lakers.

 

Best chance is getting Melo if he will come to the Lakers, and making a run with him and Kobe. The other option is rebuilding with a young core, and it's the one I prefer.


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Posted December 25, 2013 - 10:52 PM

A deng pick up with a top 5 draft pick along with a good center would a great way to hit next season. Plus new coach.

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Posted December 25, 2013 - 10:57 PM

A deng pick up with a top 5 draft pick along with a good center would a great way to hit next season. Plus new coach.

 

The bold part is so very important. It's imperative. 


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Posted December 25, 2013 - 11:06 PM

A deng pick up with a top 5 draft pick along with a good center would a great way to hit next season. Plus new coach.


Yeah you dont want much. :D

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Posted December 25, 2013 - 11:34 PM

Deng and a chandler grab keep bench and ravage the draft

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Posted December 25, 2013 - 11:35 PM

Fire coach

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Posted December 26, 2013 - 02:08 AM

Love isn't coming here, and Durant isn't coming either. These players aren't going to go through another rebuild mode with the Lakers.

 

Best chance is getting Melo if he will come to the Lakers, and making a run with him and Kobe. The other option is rebuilding with a young core, and it's the one I prefer.

Love is from LA, so this clearly a place he'd go although it depends on what happens in Minny. 



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Posted December 26, 2013 - 05:47 AM

Love is from LA, so this clearly a place he'd go although it depends on what happens in Minny. 

 

His is really from Lake Oswego, Oregon.


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Posted December 26, 2013 - 06:04 AM

Love isn't coming here, and Durant isn't coming either. These players aren't going to go through another rebuild mode with the Lakers.


I don't know them personally so I can't speak for them but I don't think it's so crazy to get at least 1 of them. By the time we could sign them they will by then hopefully not won a championship three more times and we will have been adding piece after piece to form a new team with the intention of landing them.

People always forget that LeBron was never going to leave Cleveland but what happened there? Those who want to win can only take losing year after year for so long.

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Posted December 26, 2013 - 06:28 AM

Thibs just signed a 4 year ext IIRC. I'm not a huge fan of Thibs.  I think he's a good coach but overrated by fans.  Maybe it's the roster not sure, but he had to be "encouraged" by mgmt to bring down the minutes of starters.  Deng avg 39 MPG.  Maybe why he's always got some ailment.

 

As long as we have enough cap space to go after Love in 2015 and Durant in 2016 i wouldnt mind Deng.

Also, Tom Thibodeau is one of Dengs biggest supporters and if he (Thibs) is available as well, perhaps we could land both?


Edited by Jody Smokes, December 26, 2013 - 06:30 AM.

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Posted December 26, 2013 - 02:51 PM

Thibs just signed a 4 year ext IIRC. I'm not a huge fan of Thibs.  I think he's a good coach but overrated by fans.  Maybe it's the roster not sure, but he had to be "encouraged" by mgmt to bring down the minutes of starters.  Deng avg 39 MPG.  Maybe why he's always got some ailment.



He did the same things with Rose, which is why Rose started falling apart.   

Another in the long list of great coaches that preaches defense 100% of the time and not offense and let's the superstar dictate it which is fine till the star gets tired.   Unlike those that win like Pop and Phil who have found a balance. 

The difference between Thibs, and a coach like Phil persay.  Is that he designed an offense that could benefit the superstar or superstars as well as anyone else on the team but they had to fit into the role he said, some players didn't like that so they left, despite them acknowledging how great the triangle is they didn't feel like it advanced them as a player.   Kobe was one of those people, but eventually he bit the bullet and mastered it.  Prior to that he'd play outside of it a lot because he felt it handcuffed him.  But he wanted to win so he bit down and did that. 

 


Thibs on the otherhand only preaches defense, and doesn't do much in the way of making an offense, he relies on his superstar to carry all the offensive responsibility.    This year however Thibs finally decided to form an offense around Rose, but once Rose got hurt again, the other Bulls look lost because the offense is only for Rose and without him their offense is pretty much like the Pacers last year(who despite having Shaw didn't go to him for offensive advice).  But they can beat teams because they have a lot of individual talent and undiscovered talent and their defense dictates their offense.   But again that is why they fall short in the playoffs once their superstar gets tired and why Miami would always beat them even if Rose was healthy I think Miami beats them.    

 

Thibs is a bit overrated, but his defensive coaching is unquestioned, but he like Steve Clifford(his protege) is great at teaching defense, but needs a superstar to carry the offense consistently.  

 

Thibs if he never gets an offensive assistant then belongs as a defensive assistant on a championship roster where he can focus on what he's best at.  At the very least currently he needs an offensive coordinator so he can focus solely on defense as a head coach, if he could have brought in Shaw, or someone that knows offense it would appeal to him, he needs someone that understands offense with his group.  But as a head coach without one he'll always fall short for the same reasons and the Bulls will fall into the same trap that the Grizzlies have fallen into as well and miss their window, no offensive system eventually catches up to you and Thibs would never beat a guy like Pop in a playoff series for that reason even if they somehow beat Miami.     A lot of people thought Thibs really had it figured out offensively, but Rose had a lot to do with it.   You can say the same about Mike Brown in Cleveland and their offense, the 2009-2010 Cleveland Cavs that lost to Orlando, were 6th in the league offensively and 7th in the league defensively.    

 

But no one is going to mistake Mike Brown for an offensive coach, nor expect his teams to be top 10 in the league offensively minus a superstar, one shouldn't expect that of Thibs either, they have the same dilemma's on that front.    

The year prior to last they were 5th in offense and 2nd in defense that was Rose's injury riddled year where he still hobbled through 39 games.  Now without Rose last year the Bulls were top in the league defensively as expected 7th, and offensively they were 23rd.   

Without Rose their offense dropped from 5th to 23rd.... THAT should tell you how much Rose had to do with the effectiveness of that offense.  It wasn't Thibs doing as much as it was how spectacular Rose was(especially being a point guard while doing this). Similar to what LeBron did for Brown in Cleveland.    This year they're 28th offensively.  

 

Unfortunately Deng is about to head down the path Rose did on his body if Thibs keeps playing him 40 a night.  


Edited by Majesty, December 27, 2013 - 12:51 AM.

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Posted December 26, 2013 - 07:56 PM

Definitely under rating Thibs in my opinion Majesty. He might not be the most complete coach, but defensive coach on a championship team? There is absolutely NOT 5 head coaches better than him. Agree with the rest of our post for the most part tho.

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Posted December 26, 2013 - 10:35 PM

Thibs is a lot more than just a good defensive coach.

 

After his time with the Celtics, where he was one of the biggest reasons for their defensive success (which took them to two finals and a championship), he took the .500 Bulls to the best record in the league for two consequtive years. During that time the Bulls, by far, were the best defensive team in the league and the 12th and 5th best offensive team as well. 

Last season, without Rose, they were still a top defensive team which took them to the playoffs and the second round. 

 

Thibs is also the quickest coach to get 100 wins. 

 

He's [expletive]ing awesome and it's a lot better to have a team with a defensive minded coach, with an offensive coordinator than the other way around. 

 

Another thing i like about Thibs is that he's good at handling egos and he's extremely respected among his players. This is what made Phil so special. 



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Posted December 27, 2013 - 05:17 AM

Not knocking him but you are giving him way too much credit.  Good at handling ego's?  What evidence do we have? Considering the Bulls are full of great role players and one star player that isn't much of a personality.  He's a good coach we all get that but it's not like he fell into a talentless team.  The Bulls still have a crapstacular offense and he overplays Deng and Rose at times. 

 

Thibs is a lot more than just a good defensive coach.

 

After his time with the Celtics, where he was one of the biggest reasons for their defensive success (which took them to two finals and a championship), he took the .500 Bulls to the best record in the league for two consequtive years. During that time the Bulls, by far, were the best defensive team in the league and the 12th and 5th best offensive team as well. 

Last season, without Rose, they were still a top defensive team which took them to the playoffs and the second round. 

 

Thibs is also the quickest coach to get 100 wins. 

 

He's [expletive]ing awesome and it's a lot better to have a team with a defensive minded coach, with an offensive coordinator than the other way around. 

 

Another thing i like about Thibs is that he's good at handling egos and he's extremely respected among his players. This is what made Phil so special. 


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Posted December 27, 2013 - 05:36 AM

Not knocking him but you are giving him way too much credit.  Good at handling ego's?  What evidence do we have? Considering the Bulls are full of great role players and one star player that isn't much of a personality.  He's a good coach we all get that but it's not like he fell into a talentless team.  The Bulls still have a crapstacular offense and he overplays Deng and Rose at times. 


Yes, the Bulls offense dropped from 5th to 23rd in the absence of Rose and is 28th this year currently without him.

I think we see who exactly was the guy that made the offense on that Bulls team and should get the credit.   Thibs had very little to do with it on that end of the floor.  And because he had so little to do with it Rose ran himself into the ground doing everything for everyone that by the time Thibs thought it was a good idea to formulate an offense it was based around Rose and now without Rose... well [expletive] ...  Deng has to play 40 minutes to ensure they don't lose by double digits now.  Thibs can't form an offense without a superstar, and he is without, so his offense will be bottom of the league but his defense will always be top half.  But that is all Thibs should get credit for imo in terms of what he's good at.  So I agree with Jody on this one. 


Edited by Majesty, December 27, 2013 - 05:38 AM.

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Posted December 27, 2013 - 08:38 AM

Thibs thus far is Mike Brown, Mike D'Antoni level. Best record in league, do nothing in playoffs.
One side of the ball looks good, the other not. MVP level guy in prime.

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Posted December 27, 2013 - 11:56 AM

Thibs thus far is Mike Brown, Mike D'Antoni level. Best record in league, do nothing in playoffs.
One side of the ball looks good, the other not. MVP level guy in prime.

hahhaah...no Thibs> MDA






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