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#61 LakersAllDay77

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Posted November 08, 2013 - 10:51 PM

Its laughable that u guys act like Lebron doesnt have a top 5 player in the nba in wade and top 15 in Bosh, this is universally known in NBA circles. You guys didn't see wade put up some 25+ points against a good clippers team and they didn't even need Lebron to come in and do anything. Oh yea, they arguably have the best "SHOOTER" in Ray allen on their team, too funny

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Posted November 08, 2013 - 11:15 PM

Its laughable that u guys act like Lebron doesnt have a top 5 player in the nba in wade and top 15 in Bosh, this is universally known in NBA circles. You guys didn't see wade put up some 25+ points against a good clippers team and they didn't even need Lebron to come in and do anything. Oh yea, they arguably have the best "SHOOTER" in Ray allen on their team, too funny

Wade isn't top 5 anymore. LeBron, Durant, Paul, Love, hell Curry and Thompson have been better this year. He had top 5 Wade one year and he blew it. 



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Posted November 08, 2013 - 11:16 PM

Obviously Pau was very good. But Garnett and Duncan and Dirk were the elite game changers. 

Wade is an elite game changer. Pau was unable to will his team to one playoff victory in all his years there. Not one series victory. One playoff victory.

 

Wade was a Finals MVP in his prime. He had bad playoff games in the title run, but he had games better than Pau's best playoff game as well. 

 

And I don't take credit away from Lebron because he took the title. He DAMN neared choked it away in Game 6 with the late turnovers but San Antonio were destined to blow that game. Bosh with the huge offensive rebound.

 

As for Bosh,

 

after the 2008 Olympics, when Kobe (in my opinion) gave too much of his energy to his contemporaries, all of them improved big time from that experience and that season, you can make a strong argument for Bosh and Deron Williams being the best PF and PG respectively.



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Posted November 08, 2013 - 11:20 PM

Wade isn't top 5 anymore. LeBron, Durant, Paul, Love, hell Curry and Thompson have been better this year. He had top 5 Wade one year and he blew it. 

I bet Wade/ LeBron break up for this reason

 

Wade has his 3 rings so he's good. If he wants to prove he can go to let's say Chicago, LeBron goes back to  the Cavs and Bosh goes to Houston for Asik and Lin- (Chalmers)


Edited by BasketballIQ, November 08, 2013 - 11:20 PM.


#65 Jody Smokes

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Posted November 09, 2013 - 05:36 AM

Wade hasn't been a top 5 player since the year they lost to the Mavs in 2011.  After that he was clearly a different player.  There was a stretch in Wade's career when I considered him almost 1B to Kobe at times due to his defense.  Those struggle years right before the big 3 were great for him numbers wise. 


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Posted November 09, 2013 - 07:02 AM

Wade hasn't been a top 5 player since the year they lost to the Mavs in 2011. After that he was clearly a different player. There was a stretch in Wade's career when I considered him almost 1B to Kobe at times due to his defense. Those struggle years right before the big 3 were great for him numbers wise.


Even if you think he's not top 5 he's still an elite player and through stretches of their playoff series, like when they played the pacers when bosh was down, he actually outplayed Lebron. Arguing if he's top 5 really doesn't matter because the fact is he is a game changer when he comes in. The team is so stacked and deep he could be top 20 and they would still win. There were many games during the trios years where their starters didn't play and their bench outplayed starters on the opposing team, when they played the spurs comes to mind as well as the wizard. They only got deeper by adding Beasley who they can't even find minutes for. People that don't even watch basketball, when they come over to my house, have mentioned, "the heat have good players everywhere." I know you like Lebron and by downplaying his help are in essence trying to pump him up, but let's get real, he went to Miami to have an easier time and win championships.

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Posted November 09, 2013 - 07:20 AM

after the 2008 Olympics, when Kobe (in my opinion) gave too much of his energy to his contemporaries, 

Is there a Kobe thermal electromagnetic radiation transfer system  I am unaware of?  Can I merely get close to him, touch his garments and feel the heat and energy transfer?  Or do you speak of metaphysics?  Or crystals?



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Posted November 09, 2013 - 08:04 AM

You guys are undermining PJ affect on our so called role players that sucked everywhere else they went.

Our bench was always a problem in the 08-09 series. PJ had scrubs do the job well.

Edited by Ham, November 09, 2013 - 08:06 AM.

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Posted November 09, 2013 - 09:23 AM

Even if you think he's not top 5 he's still an elite player and through stretches of their playoff series, like when they played the pacers when bosh was down, he actually outplayed Lebron. Arguing if he's top 5 really doesn't matter because the fact is he is a game changer when he comes in. The team is so stacked and deep he could be top 20 and they would still win. There were many games during the trios years where their starters didn't play and their bench outplayed starters on the opposing team, when they played the spurs comes to mind as well as the wizard. They only got deeper by adding Beasley who they can't even find minutes for. People that don't even watch basketball, when they come over to my house, have mentioned, "the heat have good players everywhere." I know you like Lebron and by downplaying his help are in essence trying to pump him up, but let's get real, he went to Miami to have an easier time and win championships.

What exactly are you trying to argue? You're post is all over the place so I'm confused.

You say that Wade is top 5 earlier in another post then say in this one that arguing if he's top 5 doesn't matter.

Wade is a very good player. I don't see anyone saying otherwise.

I'm just trying to figure out the point of your argument. I really want to know so I can post my thoughts on it.

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Posted November 09, 2013 - 09:26 AM

Lmaaaaaaaaaaaaoooooo yea just being in the presence of Kobe just makes you a better basketball player.  Spending time in Beijing with him made Deron and Bosh have career years in 2009.  This is why people hate Kobe stans.  You are a hater to a stan if you don't make him out to be the god of the game of basketball.  Everything he touches turns gold.

Is there a Kobe thermal electromagnetic radiation transfer system  I am unaware of?  Can I merely get close to him, touch his garments and feel the heat and energy transfer?  Or do you speak of metaphysics?  Or crystals?


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Posted November 09, 2013 - 10:06 AM

What exactly are you trying to argue? You're post is all over the place so I'm confused.
You say that Wade is top 5 earlier in another post then say in this one that arguing if he's top 5 doesn't matter.
Wade is a very good player. I don't see anyone saying otherwise.
I'm just trying to figure out the point of your argument. I really want to know so I can post my thoughts on it.


Really not that hard to understand, Jody says he is not top 5 while i believe he is, and I go on to say that even if he is not top 5 it doesn't really matter seeing as he is still a very good player that can take over in stretches and go on to say the Heat are loaded with other talent.

Edited by LakersAllDay77, November 09, 2013 - 10:07 AM.


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Posted November 09, 2013 - 11:41 AM

Lmaaaaaaaaaaaaoooooo yea just being in the presence of Kobe just makes you a better basketball player. Spending time in Beijing with him made Deron and Bosh have career years in 2009. This is why people hate Kobe stans. You are a hater to a stan if you don't make him out to be the god of the game of basketball. Everything he touches turns gold.



All those guys improved and began to take basketball more serious after 2008.

If nothing else, it was copying Kobe work ethic. But in my opinion, it was more than that. Maybe steel sharpens steel.


Bc Odom and Tyson Chandler came back from World Championship better players
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Posted November 10, 2013 - 08:34 AM

Its laughable that u guys act like Lebron doesnt have a top 5 player in the nba in wade and top 15 in Bosh, this is universally known in NBA circles. You guys didn't see wade put up some 25+ points against a good clippers team and they didn't even need Lebron to come in and do anything. Oh yea, they arguably have the best "SHOOTER" in Ray allen on their team, too funny

 

If you are talking about Wade as a top 5 player that is on the Heat, then I agree.  He isn't even remotely close to top 5 in the NBA anymore.  LeBron is the real deal, the guy has been to 3 finals in a row, won 2 of them, and put his team on his back in the biggest of moments.  He is the best player in the game, its not even arguable at this point, we can only argue about who is second best.



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Posted November 10, 2013 - 11:44 AM


If you are talking about Wade as a top 5 player that is on the Heat, then I agree. He isn't even remotely close to top 5 in the NBA anymore. LeBron is the real deal, the guy has been to 3 finals in a row, won 2 of them, and put his team on his back in the biggest of moments. He is the best player in the game, its not even arguable at this point, we can only argue about who is second best.


Ya, kinda like he almost almost single handedly cost the heat the game at the end and had a couple turnovers until the best three point shooter of all time bailed him out. Yep, absolutely no help for him.

Edited by LakersAllDay77, November 10, 2013 - 11:45 AM.


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Posted November 10, 2013 - 11:51 AM

Admit what exactly? Kobe brought pau back to back titles. He could have won with d12 as well. I aint going for that nonsense. D12 didn't want to put effort in his own fault, but if kobe got pau rings he could have for d12 also
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Posted November 10, 2013 - 02:42 PM

and put his team on his back in the biggest of moments.

Put the team on his back? C'mon now... he did the most work overall yes, but there's no doubt he got a [expletive]load of help and still does and was bailed out on more than several occasions as LakersAllDay77 somewhat briefly pointed out.
 
Pat Riley just put a masterful team together with almost all the right pieces seemingly. They can't even find playing time for dudes at the end of their bench that would be contributing for plenty of teams out there. Michael Beasley, bonafide scorer/legitimate shot-creator, James Jones (3PT specialist, plenty of teams could always use that), Joel Anthony (dirty work/hustler/shot-blocker), Greg Oden (nice big to have at least).


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Posted November 10, 2013 - 07:58 PM

Put the team on his back? C'mon now... he did the most work overall yes, but there's no doubt he got a [expletive]load of help and still does and was bailed out on more than several occasions as LakersAllDay77 somewhat briefly pointed out.
 
Pat Riley just put a masterful team together with almost all the right pieces seemingly. They can't even find playing time for dudes at the end of their bench that would be contributing for plenty of teams out there. Michael Beasley, bonafide scorer/legitimate shot-creator, James Jones (3PT specialist, plenty of teams could always use that), Joel Anthony (dirty work/hustler/shot-blocker), Greg Oden (nice big to have at least).

The point is he's still trying to argue Wade as top 5. He's not no matter what he tries to convince others. LeBron, Durant, Paul, Love, Curry, Harden, Westbrook are all better. 



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Posted November 10, 2013 - 08:04 PM

Heat without Wade look similar to OKC without Westbrook



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Posted November 11, 2013 - 05:21 AM

The point is he's still trying to argue Wade as top 5. He's not no matter what he tries to convince others. LeBron, Durant, Paul, Love, Curry, Harden, Westbrook are all better.


I also said, if you actually read, it doesn't matter if he's not top 5, he is still a game changer when he comes in, and his team has a lot of depth. So in the end he doesn't really matter if he is top 5.

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Posted November 11, 2013 - 05:41 AM

Admit it, Lakers fans, we are ending this season in 12th place in the Western Conference...



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