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#1 magic90015

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Posted November 06, 2013 - 02:29 PM

If Lakers going to keep using

Steve Blake and Steve Nash as starting guard,

Lakers should put Wesley Johnson and Jordan hill.

Steve Blake sucks in Pick and roll defense,

Steve Nash sucks in man to man defense,

Pau Gasol is slow in pick and roll defense.

The only player that can play denfense in Lakers roster

I think it's Jordan Farmar, Wesley Johnson and Jordan Hill.

and maybe Chris Kaman.



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Posted November 06, 2013 - 02:41 PM

I'll drink to that. Wesley & Jordan along side Gasol.

But I do like how Kaman challenges shots. His block on Ellis last night was nothing short of spectacular. 


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Posted November 06, 2013 - 02:52 PM

I'd agree.  Williams would be better suited for the second lineup.  It's not like he can't play defense and he can shoot the three, no better or worse than Wesley can.   He's also 27 so it isn't like he can't run. 

 

Wesley starting I wouldn't mind... NOT in Houston guarding Asik... but eventually. 

 

looks like you may get your wish soon though

 

  1. Don’t be surprised if we have a line up change vs HOU, w/LAL going bigger. Could mean Hill (who started 2nd half at DAL) or Kaman starting.


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Posted November 06, 2013 - 02:57 PM

I'd like a starting line up of one Steve, filler-for-Kobe, Wes, Kaman, and Pau, with Hill coming off the bench early if Kaman is getting destroyed on D, but getting WAY more minutes than he is right now, if his bone bruise isn't that bad. Farmar and Hill are pretty solid off the bench.

 

Leave Swaggy off the bench and start Henry, it seemed to be working. Maybe put Shawne Williams as a back up 3? I don't know. I just know that I despise the stretch 4 mechanic, and we're averaging like -3 offensive rebounds without Hill. These guys have a long ways to go on figuring it out it, though. We'll see how the team's doing around Christmas time.


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Posted November 06, 2013 - 03:07 PM

I think they are trying to find the best starting lineup that doesn't take away from the bench's effectiveness. 

Xavier was an important part of the bench but we could put Nick in his place to give the bench that knockdown scorer and thus far Nick has fit right in.

 

Now if we start Wesley we lose that defensive presence on our bench that is paired up with Hill so well.  That's the issue, Xavier was a good defender on the bench and caused a lot of turnovers, having to go through him and then Johnson and then Hill is what gave other bench's nightmares.   Young doens't provide that defensive presence on the bench but he makes up for it in scoring.

 

Starting Wesley takes two of our three best bench defenders and puts them in the starting lineup. 

 

If our starting lineup was Nash, Xavier, Wesley, Kaman, Gasol 

You would almost primarily be going through Kaman and or Gasol, because Xavier and Wesley aren't consistent enough on the offensive end to run a LOT of plays through.  With Xavier you really don't need to run plays for him and Wesley isn't gonna shoot outside of system and force bad shots.  If Nash had his legs back that lineup would work and then you can switch our Kaman and Gasol for the 4/5 on our bench and Nash for Farmar, have Young come in for Xavier and move Nick to the three, bring in Meeks for the 2, move Wesley down to the 4 and bring in Hill and then it works.  But then it freezes out WIlliams and Blake.   Williams who is inconsistent as [expletive] when it comes to his shot but is a better defender than Kaman or Gasol and Blake who isn't offensively aggressive but helps in other ways.

 

It will really come together when Kobe is the 2 instead of Blake honestly.  

Then the lineup is

Nash
Kobe
Xavier
Kaman
Gasol

 

Bench becomes

 

Farmar / Blake

Meeks
Young

Johnson
Hill


I believe that's what ultimately is going to happen and that will be our 11 man rotation.  Williams will be the 12th guy on the bench brought in for matchup or to get fouls because his defense is a nice change of pace and his 'some of the time' three point shooting is fine for a 12th man.


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Posted November 06, 2013 - 03:21 PM

How about we hack howard the whole game  :beers2:


Mike D'Antoni is GARBAGE.


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Posted November 06, 2013 - 03:38 PM

Or Asik lol

Send WIlliams in for 3 quick fouls on Asik.


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Posted November 06, 2013 - 04:46 PM

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#calledit RT @mcten: Jordan Hill said he didn't know if it would be him or Kaman starting against HOU but that MDA said they're going big


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Posted November 06, 2013 - 06:01 PM

I kinda feel what Kaman was saying. A player can't get a feel if this dude keeps changing line ups on the a daily basis. Then again, these cats are pros they need to stay ready Dammit.
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Posted November 06, 2013 - 06:16 PM

I'd personally prefer the rotations be...

 

Nash, Henry (Lefty defending Lefty), Johnson(Johnson Length on Parsons Length), Gasol, Hill

Farmer, Blake, Young, Williams, Kaman


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Posted November 07, 2013 - 08:24 AM

How about we hack howard the whole game  :beers2:

Or Asik lol

Lakers wouldn't do it, but I know I sure wouldn't mind. I'd find it hilarious. Dwight would be so pissed/annoyed, but sadly even if we did do it at all, they've actually both been hitting their free throws so far pretty well surprisingly sad to say. Still a long season to go of course, but just at least up to this point, they've been solid for their usual selves.


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Posted November 07, 2013 - 08:25 AM

knowing D'Antoni's dislike towards Howard he might do it as a cruel joke lol 


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Posted November 07, 2013 - 08:32 AM

Howard has been making his free throws surprisingly well.



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Posted November 07, 2013 - 08:40 AM

^ Yeah, like I say (Charles), & Asik as well. Doubt they can keep it up at this rate for the whole year, but if they can, they could be a whole lot scarier. It would not be a factor to just simply overlook.


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Posted November 07, 2013 - 08:47 AM

Agreed. 

I don't know why Dwight had to prove that he could post up last season rather than running the P&R with Nash. Now he's out in Houston thriving off P&R. 

 

I've heard his interior defense hasn't been great so far (probably because he's focused on offensive end), but he's been gobbling rebounds. 



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Posted November 07, 2013 - 08:55 AM

I don't know why Dwight had to prove that he could post up last season rather than running the P&R with Nash. Now he's out in Houston thriving off P&R. 

It's a big slap in the face seeing that now. Nash would constantly get on him about it last year and to no avail.

I've heard his interior defense hasn't been great so far (probably because he's focused on offensive end), but he's been gobbling rebounds.

or also maybe perhaps cause he's been playing the 4 more with Asik at the 5 staying closer to the interior while Dwight's roaming out to the perimeter or further out more often from time to time.


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Posted November 07, 2013 - 08:59 AM

Howard is going to everything possible to show how his stats are better than last years.

 

Mhmm, perhaps. I'm terrified for today's game. Rockets have elite offense and they have defenders/rebounders too. If Gasol couldn't postup against Tiago, Horford, Nowitzki, good luck with Dwight and Asik! :P



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Posted November 07, 2013 - 09:02 AM

If Gasol couldn't postup against Tiago, Horford, Nowitzki, good luck with Dwight and Asik!

You forgot 6'7 DeJuan Blair, the saddest by far of them all.


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Posted November 07, 2013 - 09:05 AM

You forgot 6'7 DeJuan Blair, the saddest by far of them all.

 

Oh yeah, how could I forget that? XD

Sometimes I wish Gasol had an aggressive Zach Randolph-type mentality...



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Posted November 07, 2013 - 09:07 AM

Sometimes I wish Gasol had an aggressive Zach Randolph-type mentality...

or David Lee. That guy just balls hard all the time.


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