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#41 LakersGAFan

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Posted November 06, 2013 - 11:31 AM

Pau as a primary option on the Grizzlies in his best year only put up 14.9 FGA and 20.4 points. He had all the post touches he wanted but couldn't make use of them. Webber was a legitimate primary option on a championship contender. 

Your twisting perspectives. He was on the Grizzlies. COMON MAAAN. Its not Paus fault he was drafted there with absolutely no supprt ever other than a young Shane Battier. Pau was playing the post with Tsakalidis and Wright...lmao. Thats not fair to compare. Hell the years I'm comparing the Kings had almost 2x the shot attempts as the Grizz did 04...lmao. Earl Watson running the point.....give the guy some slack. You cant pick your draft team....unless your KB8.


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Posted November 06, 2013 - 11:33 AM

Your twisting perspectives. He was on the Grizzlies. COMON MAAAN. Its not Paus fault he was drafted there with absolutely no supprt ever other than a young Shane Battier. Pau was playing the post with Tsakalidis and Wright...lmao. Thats not fair to compare. Hell the years I'm comparing the Kings had almost 2x the shot attempts as the Grizz did 04...lmao. Earl Watson running the point.....give the guy some slack. You cant pick your draft team....unless your KB8.

 

I'm saying we wasn't even aggressive enough to take more than 15 shots per game. That's close to what he averaged on the Lakers (13). Webber carried that team by putting up more points and just as many rebounds with similar quality passing as Pau. Him and Kobe together would be deadly. Remember how badly he torched LA in 2002? Could you ever imagine Pau doing that? 



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Posted November 06, 2013 - 11:33 AM

@West Coast, Is Gasol better than Charles Barkley? Webber during his playing days had to go up against Kobe, he didn't have the luxury of playing beside Kobe. Besides, Webber was undoubtedly the best player on his team and has gotten to at least the WCF as the guy. Pau couldn't even reach the second round.



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Posted November 06, 2013 - 11:47 AM

If the Lakers would have had CWebb instead of Pau in 2009/10 we would have not won the Chip.

Paus interior passing and ability to consistently knock down 16 foot jumpers killed teams and opened up our offense.

The spacing made everyone better. Especially for Drew to grab rebounds and create the most 2nd chance opportunities in the NBA that year.

CWebb sharing the post with Drew would have been a similar result to Pau in the post with D12 last season. 

 

And we cant judge Pau from what we see now at 33 years of age. Remember Webber retired at 34 and he was absolute trash by then. Pau may have 2-3 years left depending on his knees. Pau at 29>Webber at 29 all day.

 

That's a guessing scenario. Chris Webber is a better passer than Pau Gasol anyway. And he can shoot jumpers just as well. Don't care about Pau and his "shy away from contact 16 footers".

 

Webber had more All Star selections, more All NBA Teams, better rebounder (rebounding champion), 9 seasons of 20/10, better career numbers. The only thing Pau Gasol has over Chris Webber are championships and we all know why Pau Gasol has those rings.


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Posted November 06, 2013 - 02:30 PM

Webber didn't get it done when he had his chance, and while he was elite, so F what he's talking about. 

Pau just needs to demand the ball more. You'd think he'd never won anything before. He's like a kid waiting for big brother to come & back him up. 


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Posted November 06, 2013 - 02:55 PM

Prime Webber > Prime Gasol.

 

Didn't really have to worry about Webber being soft....



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Posted November 06, 2013 - 02:55 PM

For everyone saying Webber didn't get it done as a first option etc etc etc.

Gasol never won a playoff game as a first option.     The Kings whose best two players were Webber and Jason Williams were a game away from eliminating the "dynasty" Lakers in the first round and that Kings team was the only team that could have beaten us.  

 

it's like hating on the Sonics because they lost to the Bulls and Payton for not winning(despite guarding Jordan while injured.)

 

So Webber even at his worst was a 23/11 guy Pau at his worse is a 12/9 guy.  That's not bad, and he did it as a power forward.   Do you really think that if Webber was on the dynasty Lakers that we wouldn't have won the championship?  


Webber was a talent a great talent as was Gasol.   It doesn't matter even if Webber had a career that sucked, he saw Pau Gasol manage 6 points in 4 quarters against a 6'7 power forward.  Any criticism is merited.


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Posted November 06, 2013 - 03:11 PM

Your twisting perspectives. He was on the Grizzlies. COMON MAAAN. Its not Paus fault he was drafted there with absolutely no supprt ever other than a young Shane Battier. Pau was playing the post with Tsakalidis and Wright...lmao. Thats not fair to compare. Hell the years I'm comparing the Kings had almost 2x the shot attempts as the Grizz did 04...lmao. Earl Watson running the point.....give the guy some slack. You cant pick your draft team....unless your KB8.

 

And had a Control freak for a Coach

No way Pau would have been able to take as many shots as C Web at that time


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Posted November 06, 2013 - 03:14 PM

Web is bitter ...he almost smiles...or smirks when ever he says ...The LAKERS won't make the playoffs

CWeb played on high offensive teams....he was a good shooter and great passer..... As I remember he had problems in the Tight Spots of the game....always would do someyhing goofy....his MO


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Posted November 06, 2013 - 03:15 PM

You really start to see that guys are either extremely young and weren't watching the NBA 10 years ago or they just started paying attention a few years ago.  No credible NBA head is ever going to argue that Pau was better than C Webb...ever


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Posted November 06, 2013 - 05:40 PM

You really start to see that guys are either extremely young and weren't watching the NBA 10 years ago or they just started paying attention a few years ago. No credible NBA head is ever going to argue that Pau was better than C Webb...ever


I agree with this and what majesty said. You can't really compare the two players. Webber is/was 5x the player gasol was/is. Heck! they're not even comparable. Except for passing -.-

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Posted November 06, 2013 - 06:27 PM

I can't see why this is even an argument. A player thats elite should easily be a all star or at least argued to be one. Pau gasol wouldn't even be starting on allot of teams.



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Posted November 06, 2013 - 08:23 PM

Pau Gasol is awesome, one of my favorite Lakers of all time, and probably will be in the Hall of Fame when you add in his international playing along with all the accomplishments he's had in the NBA.

 

But Chris Webber had NINE 20/10 seasons, was an incredible passer and rebounder, and if not for micro fracture surgery would have had an even better career. No need to hate on Webber, he was awesome. Pau isn't getting it done this year so far and deserves the criticism. He wanted the post shots, so he needs to park his butt in the post.



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Posted November 06, 2013 - 08:32 PM

Pau Gasol is awesome, one of my favorite Lakers of all time, and probably will be in the Hall of Fame when you add in his international playing along with all the accomplishments he's had in the NBA.

 

But Chris Webber had NINE 20/10 seasons, was an incredible passer and rebounder, and if not for micro fracture surgery would have had an even better career. No need to hate on Webber, he was awesome. Pau isn't getting it done this year so far and deserves the criticism. He wanted the post shots, so he needs to park his butt in the post.



But don't you see? Obviously Shawne Williams is taking all those post touches away....


wait...  :laughing:


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Posted November 06, 2013 - 08:33 PM

What's funny is that Pau always talks about how the Lakers need to play better and with energy in the press conferences, but he never demonstrates that.

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Posted November 06, 2013 - 08:35 PM

What's funny is that Pau always talks about how the Lakers need to play better and with energy in the press conferences, but he never demonstrates that.


Was a shame. He pretty much let the team have it for their lack of energy against the Warriors and then hasn't played with any since.


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Posted November 06, 2013 - 08:58 PM

let's compare Gasol now as we've seen him to the other big man in this system... Kaman

 

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And Hill is shooting 70+% in this 'system' that ruins big men apparently..

 

 

Of the three Gasol is the ONLY one struggling and shooting 40%

 

Kaman is shooting 61,  Hill is shooting 70+(leads the NBA in field goal percentage)  and Gasol is shooting in the 40% percentile...

 

The problem is not D'antoni right now when it comes to what Pau is doing.

 


So you're telling me he's using Hill and Kaman perfectly but Gasol he's just screwing with?  2 of the 3 other big men get it.  yet the most skilled one still doesn't?

 

Spare it.
 

Our two highest field goal percentage players are Kaman and Hill actually.


Edited by Majesty, November 06, 2013 - 09:03 PM.

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Posted November 06, 2013 - 09:10 PM

You really start to see that guys are either extremely young and weren't watching the NBA 10 years ago or they just started paying attention a few years ago.  No credible NBA head is ever going to argue that Pau was better than C Webb...ever

 

Yeah I have to agree. Cwebb went up against one of the best duo in NBA history (Shaq and Kobe) Theres really not much you can do against that.



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Posted November 06, 2013 - 09:54 PM

I really liked Webber the player. No doubt a better player than Pau. Webber the commentator is really bad. No personality, not funny and not smart enough to make up for those two flaws. He says Pau is not elite. So what? Did someone still think he is? I mean it's almost like a compliment when you go out of your way to say someone's not elite that nobody's saying is. Here we are arguing about if Gasol is terrible or not and Chis Webber is trying to convince people that Pau isn't one of the best players in the NBA. :laughing:



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Posted November 06, 2013 - 10:10 PM

From within 8 feet pau is shooting 61.5% 16/26. From everywhere else he is shooting a combined 27.5% 11/40. So now with the howard clogging up the lane excuse gone what is it now? It does not matter what team he is on or offense this guy is running. If pau just limited his shots to the 8 foot range like hill and kaman are doing then he would easily have a 50% FG%. 

 

Even kaman who is actually shooting great from the outside has still only shot 17 shots from outside 8 feet and has shot 19 from inside. He's running the same offense and we all know kaman is any type of bruiser or tough guy post man. But he still posts up and takes close shots in the same offense and same position as pau. 

 

Pau has 0 excuse. 






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