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#41 zombeef

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Posted October 17, 2013 - 10:48 PM

We all have our own lists. My biased list has Kobe at the top and people will [expletive] themselves over it. 



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Posted October 18, 2013 - 04:42 AM

Correction: He won 6 rings in 14 years.

 

If he wanted to win more rings, maybe he shouldn't have retired. Magic beat their ass fair and square.

 

This if game can go both ways. If Kobe was given the chance to start right off the bat like MJ and LBJ, who the [expletive] knows how his career would advance?

14 years is his whole career. But once he started winning, he never lost again, that's the point I'm making.



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Posted October 18, 2013 - 06:12 AM

MJ lost to Orlando but people make excuses

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Posted October 18, 2013 - 06:25 AM

^ Impossible for Chicago to play Orlando in the NBA FInals


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Posted October 18, 2013 - 06:49 AM

Yea series after he came back with 17 games left in the season.  What happened the next season?

MJ lost to Orlando but people make excuses


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Posted October 18, 2013 - 07:08 AM

I thought MJ had great work ethic. He wasn't able to reach 100% in 2 months? Well, Kobe would.



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Posted October 18, 2013 - 08:34 AM

Correction: He won 6 rings in 14 years.

 

If he wanted to win more rings, maybe he shouldn't have retired. Magic beat their ass fair and square.

 

This if game can go both ways. If Kobe was given the chance to start right off the bat like MJ and LBJ, who the [expletive] knows how his career would advance?

 

14 years is his whole career. By that standard, he's 6 for 14. Kobe is 5 for 17. Jordan is better in this sense.

What I actually meant initially is that once he reached his peak, the year of his first championship, Every healthy season after that, he won as well. He dominated during his whole peak. He won 6 Championships in 6 seasons that he played in a row (not counting his 2 years retired). When he left the game, he was still the best player out there, and by far. No one came close. Had he stayed, he'd probably win another ring or two. What I'm saying is that without retirements, Jordan could've hit 8-9 Rings. But anyways, this isn't a could've, should've point. He was better than Kobe. He has accomplished more impressive feats, and even though Kobe is my favorite player, I'm sorry to say he doesn't come close to Jordan, even though he's as close as it gets.

 

People say rings aren't everything. fine... but Jordan has more rings, more final MVPs, more season MVPs, better stats in (I believe) pretty much every category, and has done it in less seasons than Kobe. Before you tell me Jordan didn't have to share with Shaq, remember that Jordan also had 2 HoF in his team in Pippen (who would dominate any player today defensively and offensively, not named LeBron, Durant, and Kobe) and Rodman



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Posted October 18, 2013 - 10:48 AM

You Can't use that as an argument
You saw who jordan had as teammates?
Now compare to kobe's lakers...
Give kobe the same roster and he would have done the same.
I would have loved to watch MJ play with smush...

Edited by flota, October 18, 2013 - 10:49 AM.

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#49 Windu

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Posted October 18, 2013 - 02:04 PM

I would have loved to watch MJ play with smush...

 

I would have loved to watch MJ play with Shaq...


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Posted October 18, 2013 - 03:12 PM

I thought MJ had great work ethic. He wasn't able to reach 100% in 2 months? Well, Kobe would.

 

But Kobe can't even be the best player in 3 of his championship rings. Well, Jordan was the best player in all his championship run.

 

You Can't use that as an argument
You saw who jordan had as teammates?
Now compare to kobe's lakers...
Give kobe the same roster and he would have done the same.
I would have loved to watch MJ play with smush...

 

You act like Smush played with Kobe for 10 years. Kobe is probably the luckiest player in this era. He only played 3 seasons not having a legit big man.



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Posted October 18, 2013 - 03:58 PM

How is Duncan ahead of Kobe?

 

Kobe is top 3, if not Top 2 IMO.

 

Did Magic not say Kobe was the greatest Laker ever?

 

Hey, ESPN is ranked out of the top 5 and top 10 sports channels after all.



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Posted October 18, 2013 - 04:02 PM

How is Duncan ahead of Kobe?

 

Kobe is top 3, if not Top 2 IMO.

 

Did Magic not say Kobe was the greatest Laker ever?

 

Hey, ESPN is ranked out of the top 5 and top 10 sports channels after all.

 

Duncan shouldn't be ahead of Kobe. But he is not top 3.

 

Greatest Laker doesn't mean greatest of all time. 

 

IMO, Wade is a greatest Heat player ever but doesn't mean he's better than LeBron.

 

I wonder how many people think Kobe is top 3 outside lakerfan base.



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Posted October 18, 2013 - 06:24 PM

Duncan shouldn't be ahead of Kobe. But he is not top 3.

 

Greatest Laker doesn't mean greatest of all time. 

 

IMO, Wade is a greatest Heat player ever but doesn't mean he's better than LeBron.

 

I wonder how many people think Kobe is top 3 outside lakerfan base.

 

In this case, yea since both Magic and Kobe played their entire career as a Laker.



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Posted October 18, 2013 - 07:13 PM

Did Magic not say Kobe was the greatest Laker ever?

Yes. He & Jerry West.


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Posted October 18, 2013 - 07:18 PM

But Kobe can't even be the best player in 3 of his championship rings.



1 Championship ring it's argued Shaq was better.

Every other one after that it was known Kobe was the better player.

Heck near the end of the first ring it was looking like Kobe was the better player.

 

Anyway just this

 

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Edited by Majesty, October 18, 2013 - 07:19 PM.

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Posted October 18, 2013 - 07:30 PM

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Posted October 18, 2013 - 07:54 PM

People forget at 21 years old Kobe was a dominant guard already in the finals. Granted I was like 9 in 2000. But Kobe is a top 5 player. People just don't want to give him is due. Kobe at 21 was arguably the best player in the league.

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Posted October 18, 2013 - 08:42 PM

People forget at 21 years old Kobe was a dominant guard already in the finals. Granted I was like 9 in 2000. But Kobe is a top 5 player. People just don't want to give him is due. Kobe at 21 was arguably the best player in the league.



21 year old Kobe, averaged 31/7/6  in the playoffs, everyone is all "eh Shaq is carrying him"

27 year old LeBron James averaged 27/7/7 and everyone is all "OMG THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE!!!"

 

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People take those early Kobe years for granted


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Posted October 18, 2013 - 09:25 PM

^ Cant be said any better than this.


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Posted October 18, 2013 - 09:48 PM

someone said this.. 

Lol, Lebron is infinitely better than Kobe in his prime by almost any measure and it's not really close maybe other than bulk scoring/shooting.

Let's see Kobe get's killed in PER, D, assists, rebounds, steals, blocks, FG%, TS%. Kobe's D has been overrated for years it's insane. Lebron has 4 MVPs already to Kobe's 1 and it's probably going to end up 7 or 8 for Lebron to 1 for Kobe. Individually they aren't that close. Lebron has 4 PER seasons over 30, Kobe has 0 over 28. Kobe has never led the league in win shares, OWS, Lebron has 4 and 5 times respectively. Kobe has led the league in scoring for 2 seasons though


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