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#21 LakeShow805

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Posted October 11, 2013 - 06:52 AM

Lakers finished 7th when Nash won his 2nd MVP. How did Kobe get robbed? 

What do you mean.......Kobe was putting up 35/5/4. Its the year he had multiple 50+ point games and 60+ point games. Also the year he scored 62 in 3 quarters and dropped 81 points in a game. It was a historical year. Without Kobe, the lakers would be at the bottom of the conference....put Kobe on Nash's squad, they win the whole thing.

 

 

Lol at how did kobe get robbed.......dumbest question I've heard.


Edited by LakeShow805, October 11, 2013 - 06:52 AM.


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Posted October 11, 2013 - 07:20 AM

put Kobe on Nash's squad, they win the whole thing.

 

The head coach of that Suns team was...


Pau Gasol is GONE


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Posted October 11, 2013 - 07:23 AM

The head coach of that Suns team was...

I think with a prime Kobe on that Suns squad... not even MDA could have held them back. I think.. Maybe..



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Posted October 11, 2013 - 07:34 AM

The head coach of that Suns team was...

True...it was prime Kobe though. You could have a 5 year old coaching and they still probably would have won lol



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Posted October 11, 2013 - 07:44 AM

You underestimate MDA's prowess.


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Posted October 11, 2013 - 09:09 PM

Steve Nash making Amare's career is a myth?

Hilarious.

Amare is NOTHING without an in his prime Nash breaking down defenses. Stoudemire was fool's gold from day one, and as usual, the Knicks bought right into it.

No big player on those Suns teams did of anything of significance before or after Nash.

Way too many basketball fans underestimate just how great Nash was during those runs in Phoenix.

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Posted October 11, 2013 - 10:51 PM

Steve Nash making Amare's career is a myth?

Hilarious.

Amare is NOTHING without an in his prime Nash breaking down defenses. Stoudemire was fool's gold from day one, and as usual, the Knicks bought right into it.

No big player on those Suns teams did of anything of significance before or after Nash.

Way too many basketball fans underestimate just how great Nash was during those runs in Phoenix.


One again we agree. 

Everything Amar'e got was off of an opening Nash made because the defense rotated.

One should look up just how often Amar'e made offense in an isolation situation without Nash feeding him.

Oh didn't take long... basketball-reference


On 04-05 season 59% of Amare's shots were assisted on.   That's nearly 60%.

What about the 06-07 season?   64.9% of Amar'e offense was assisted on...  

And in the playoffs of that year?   69.2% of Amare's points were from assists....

That's nearly 70% of his offense!!!

 

07-08?

69.9% of his offense was assisted
Playoffs that year?   70.8% of his offense was assisted...

 

70% of his offense eh??? 70% ... was assisted... and I'm sure 99% of those assists were from Nash...

Yeah I think we're done here now.....


The only 'myth' is the one that floats around that tries to assume Nash DIDN'T make everything happen for Stoudemire.


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Posted October 12, 2013 - 08:40 AM

So how did Amate have 8 straight 30 point games as a Knick?


Of course his points were assisted upon.

That's the system. How many if Pau's shots were assisted or offensive rebounds in 08 09 10?

8 straight 30 point games. I remember him putting 40 on Pau in 2010.

Amare was great before the injuries.

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Posted October 12, 2013 - 08:46 AM

Nash is the most over rated. He's a great point guard but Matrix won a title in a vital role without him.
Dirk got better without him.
Amare had the numbers I mentioned before the injuries, after he was a KNICK
Joe Johnson was better after Nash

Barbosa created for himself.
Boris was good in another good system in San Antonio


Compare that with Kobe-

Hands down Shaq, Pau, Bynum, Ariza, Shannon, Sasha, Fisher, Fox, Luke, Kwame, Smush, Powell, Mbenga, Mihm ALL PLAYED THEIR BEST AROUND KOBE.


Steve Nash is more of a "ball hog" as a ball dominant point guard than Kobe was.


But please tell me how Amare was able to put up those numbers as a Knick without Nash?

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Posted October 12, 2013 - 09:31 AM

So how did Amate have 8 straight 30 point games as a Knick?


Of course his points were assisted upon.

That's the system. How many if Pau's shots were assisted or offensive rebounds in 08 09 10?

8 straight 30 point games. I remember him putting 40 on Pau in 2010.

Amare was great before the injuries.

 

 

Felton who was averaging near 17/10



Amar'e rarely if ever would score off isolation.

With Pau you could give it to him in the post and he would go to work against a defense, and could get his own shot against that defense because of his post ability and inside outside scoring and ability to not be stopped when he posts up.

 

Amar'e has no such skill nor dependability against a defense in isolation.   That is what makes you dominant is being more than merely a really good play finisher and actually being able to create plays on your own.


Amar'e rarely has shown the capability to do that.  That's why you don't hand a franchise to him.


Edited by Majesty, October 12, 2013 - 09:34 AM.

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Posted October 12, 2013 - 03:45 PM

A couple 30 point games when you were the ONLY scoring option, while ignoring defense entirely doesn't mean the guy is a dominating force at all. Amare is grossly overpaid and just another giant fumble by the already questionable Knick organization.

He is a liability.

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Posted October 12, 2013 - 05:04 PM

Now you're getting into an entirely different discussion.

Can Amare be the best player on a championship squad?
No, or at least highly unlikely.

Does he score in isolation situations? No!


Amare isn't the player you run an offense through, though he was pretty good from the mid post facing the basket.

He and Nash fed off one another. Every big feeds off a small in some way.

Amare was a damn good player and he had a KNICKS record and they were winning.

I put his talent( before the injuries), not his career, over Pau noticeably.

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Posted October 12, 2013 - 05:15 PM

Hope they buy him out and he signs with the lakers for vet min




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