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Posted October 09, 2013 - 04:32 PM

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Amar'e said it's possible he will play in the season opener Oct. 30 and he believes he can dominate again.

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Posted October 09, 2013 - 04:36 PM

Actions speak louder than words. I'd love to see a "dominant" A'mare once again, but I won't believe it until I see it. I always found his mid-range to be interesting for a big.

 


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Posted October 09, 2013 - 04:47 PM

Wait, so he dominated at one time?

Stoudemire is nothing without Nash feeding him his stats.

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Posted October 09, 2013 - 05:33 PM

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Posted October 09, 2013 - 08:34 PM

Fido, that's a myth. What did Nash do without amare? Had an okay season, with Marion and they gave him Kobe's MVp but Amare dominated Tim Duncan in his early match=ups with him and then he got hurt.

 



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Posted October 09, 2013 - 09:01 PM

Not without Steve Nash you can't.


 

I've always liked Steve Blake.

 


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Posted October 09, 2013 - 11:07 PM

Not without Steve Nash you can't.

He was putting up great numbers on the Knicks before Melo came



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Posted October 10, 2013 - 02:16 AM

He was putting up great numbers on the Knicks before Melo came

 

There's a difference between putting up numbers and being dominant.


 

I've always liked Steve Blake.

 


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Posted October 10, 2013 - 07:04 AM

There's a difference between putting up numbers and being dominant.

well Nash wasn't dominant either then.



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Posted October 10, 2013 - 07:07 AM

I used to love Amare too bad his body broke down

 

There's an article on ESPN NY talking about how in his limited minutes last year Amare was pretty dominant offensively 

 

http://espn.go.com/b...-still-dominate


Edited by NYCLakerfan, October 10, 2013 - 07:13 AM.


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Posted October 10, 2013 - 08:07 AM

I hope so, dude used to be such a beast.


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Posted October 10, 2013 - 12:31 PM

well Nash wasn't dominant either then.


Nash dictated, ran and initiated everything and became MVP because of it.

Amar'e fed off everything Nash did. That's why he was always number 2 to Nash.

Nice try though :)


Edited by Majesty, October 10, 2013 - 12:31 PM.

 

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Posted October 10, 2013 - 01:04 PM


Nash dictated, ran and initiated everything and became MVP because of it.

Amar'e fed off everything Nash did. That's why he was always number 2 to Nash.

Nice try though :)

Yea he sure was feeding off Nash when he was putting up 26/9 as the primary offensive player on the Knicks before Melo came.

 

And yet again, Nash wasn't dominate.



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Posted October 10, 2013 - 01:15 PM

I hope so, dude used to be such a beast.

I remember in his early years when he had his most athleticism. He used to clown on Duncan a few times with posters. It was quite the sight to behold. Been an awfully long time since then though.


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Posted October 10, 2013 - 03:41 PM

Yea he sure was feeding off Nash when he was putting up 26/9 as the primary offensive player on the Knicks before Melo came.

 

And yet again, Nash wasn't dominate.



Yes, Nash was. 


Oh yes, as the primary offensive player

 

In October when they only played 1 winning team.


In November when they only played 4 winning teams

In December when they only played 4 winning teams

In January when they only played 4 winning teams

 

In February when they only played 3 winning teams before Carmelo got there

The Knicks had an easy first half of the season and limped to a 26-23 record with Stoudemire trying to lead them and Felton was a lot of the reason why Stat got his open opportunities(Felton was averaging near 17/10) but more on that later.



But let's get back to their time in Phoenix together..


You mean to tell me Nash wasn't dominant? 

So dominant point guards don't average 30/12/6.5 against the Mavericks?   Nash showed what he could be if he had to be.  But he's a past first point guard, but even still he could get any kind of shot he wanted over any defense and couldn't be stopped.  That is why he was dominant.  And 30/12/6 is no little thing.  Stoudemire in turn against the Spurs averaged 37/9 but there is a reason for that just as there is a reason why Nash averaged nearly 30/15 in those first few games before trying to get others involved.  

That Nash and Stoudemire combo against the Spurs in those first few games both Nash AND Stoudemire were ON and were a dominant 'combo' with Nash initiating all the plays and Stoudemire finishing the plays Nash found him.

Go back and watch those first few games where Nash went off for nearly 30/15 two games in a row and count all the times Stoudemire scored off an assist from Nash where Nash could find him because the defense was worried about Nash's threat because he was actively looking to score against their defense and how he could weave in and out of the 5 of them effortlessly and actually demanded the attention which allowed Stat to have easy opportunities.

That is why they worked so well.

They helped each other, but a lot of Amare's offense was fed through what Nash was able to do for him and find him at, and Nash was the leader of that team.  Stoudemire was an offensive gifted player but you need to find him in the right spots.   The system also took advantage of that.    But you CANNOT ask Stoudemire to try to find all his shots against the defense in iso, you just don't do that.  You could ask Nash to do that.. you could ask Kobe, Wade, LeBron or Shaq to do that.. but you can't ask Stat to do that.

Let's not forget Amar'es stats were 15/9 and 10/6 before D'antoni was brought in as a coach in Phoenix to replace the old one in the 2003-2004 season.  That system allowed them to take advantage of what Stat can do if you find him.  It's not a coincidence that his averages shot up to 23/9 and 25/10 after that.

 
He also had a competent point guard in Starbury who was able to take advantage of the new system in place, and eventhough they were losing games it was obvious what was working.  

But was also obvious was that Stoudemire needed a point guard that was gonna create offense for him to take advantage of.

Nothing wrong with that, but Amar'e couldn't just force himself on defenses and score at will, he'd be fed to instead.

Thus they got Steve Nash, and the rest is history.    You can count on Stoudemire to finish plays and be the play finisher and a good rebounder, but try to have him in iso's against the defense, 9 times out of 10 it's not gonna happen.  

 

He needs a point guard like Nash in order to find him in those spots because he isn't gonna create them for himself that effectively, he's not dominant, he's just a very good play finisher and a supreme talent.    Not bad, you just don't pick him to lead your franchise, like the Knicks did.   If you're building a team around Amar'e Stoudemire, you got problems.

 

The knicks did a good job putting Reymond Felton with him(Reymond was averaging near 17/10 before Carmelo was sent over) and who was he feeding on the end of plays?  Stoudemire.


So yeah, Stat was their main option, but it didn't mean he wasn't being fed by another point guard.

You need that kind of point guard or side player for a player like stoudemire because he isn't going to "lead" a franchise anywhere.

That is why he's not 'dominant,' he's always going to be the number 2 of a successful team.    If Stat is your number 1, your team isn't going anywhere.

Nash didn't need the carrying, he did it.  That's why he was a 2-time MVP and Stat wasn't.


It's not a knock against Stat but he wasn't gonna be effortlessly get his offense off on any defense.  He needed to be set up for a majority of his plays.   

That is why he isn't dominant.  SHAQ was dominant, he could take on any defense and get his own shot.  Same can be said for Kobe, HE is dominant, he can create his own offense over any defense.  Same can be said for LeBron, or of a prime Dwayne Wade, or Steve Nash as well who could get his offense off over any defense which is why people wanted him to shoot more while also making it happen for everything else.  And all of the above could also be a play initiator if the team requested it.

 

Stat on the other hand can't be asked to do that, and if you do your team is gonna lose a lot of games.   What you can ask him to do is pick his spots to finish plays, it's what he's best at.  

So Stat isn't gonna BE 'dominant', and he's never gonna get his own shot on any defense, it's not his forte, and it never has been. 

 

But he will be very productive if healthy and with the proper point guard.   Felton IS back but is he the same guy?  Time will tell.  One thing is for sure, Stat is coming off the bench for a reason, because Melo plays the 4 better than him and can get his own shot and Chandler defends the 5 better than him.




Obviously your definition of 'dominant' and mine are different.  Nothing wrong with that either.


Edited by Majesty, October 10, 2013 - 03:42 PM.

 

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Posted October 10, 2013 - 05:54 PM

Wait, so he dominated at one time?


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Posted October 10, 2013 - 09:30 PM



Yes, Nash was. 


Oh yes, as the primary offensive player

 

In October when they only played 1 winning team.


In November when they only played 4 winning teams

In December when they only played 4 winning teams

In January when they only played 4 winning teams

 

In February when they only played 3 winning teams before Carmelo got there

The Knicks had an easy first half of the season and limped to a 26-23 record with Stoudemire trying to lead them and Felton was a lot of the reason why Stat got his open opportunities(Felton was averaging near 17/10) but more on that later.



But let's get back to their time in Phoenix together..


You mean to tell me Nash wasn't dominant? 

So dominant point guards don't average 30/12/6.5 against the Mavericks?   Nash showed what he could be if he had to be.  But he's a past first point guard, but even still he could get any kind of shot he wanted over any defense and couldn't be stopped.  That is why he was dominant.  And 30/12/6 is no little thing.  Stoudemire in turn against the Spurs averaged 37/9 but there is a reason for that just as there is a reason why Nash averaged nearly 30/15 in those first few games before trying to get others involved.  

That Nash and Stoudemire combo against the Spurs in those first few games both Nash AND Stoudemire were ON and were a dominant 'combo' with Nash initiating all the plays and Stoudemire finishing the plays Nash found him.

Go back and watch those first few games where Nash went off for nearly 30/15 two games in a row and count all the times Stoudemire scored off an assist from Nash where Nash could find him because the defense was worried about Nash's threat because he was actively looking to score against their defense and how he could weave in and out of the 5 of them effortlessly and actually demanded the attention which allowed Stat to have easy opportunities.

That is why they worked so well.

They helped each other, but a lot of Amare's offense was fed through what Nash was able to do for him and find him at, and Nash was the leader of that team.  Stoudemire was an offensive gifted player but you need to find him in the right spots.   The system also took advantage of that.    But you CANNOT ask Stoudemire to try to find all his shots against the defense in iso, you just don't do that.  You could ask Nash to do that.. you could ask Kobe, Wade, LeBron or Shaq to do that.. but you can't ask Stat to do that.

Let's not forget Amar'es stats were 15/9 and 10/6 before D'antoni was brought in as a coach in Phoenix to replace the old one in the 2003-2004 season.  That system allowed them to take advantage of what Stat can do if you find him.  It's not a coincidence that his averages shot up to 23/9 and 25/10 after that.

 
He also had a competent point guard in Starbury who was able to take advantage of the new system in place, and eventhough they were losing games it was obvious what was working.  

But was also obvious was that Stoudemire needed a point guard that was gonna create offense for him to take advantage of.

Nothing wrong with that, but Amar'e couldn't just force himself on defenses and score at will, he'd be fed to instead.

Thus they got Steve Nash, and the rest is history.    You can count on Stoudemire to finish plays and be the play finisher and a good rebounder, but try to have him in iso's against the defense, 9 times out of 10 it's not gonna happen.  

 

He needs a point guard like Nash in order to find him in those spots because he isn't gonna create them for himself that effectively, he's not dominant, he's just a very good play finisher and a supreme talent.    Not bad, you just don't pick him to lead your franchise, like the Knicks did.   If you're building a team around Amar'e Stoudemire, you got problems.

 

The knicks did a good job putting Reymond Felton with him(Reymond was averaging near 17/10 before Carmelo was sent over) and who was he feeding on the end of plays?  Stoudemire.


So yeah, Stat was their main option, but it didn't mean he wasn't being fed by another point guard.

You need that kind of point guard or side player for a player like stoudemire because he isn't going to "lead" a franchise anywhere.

That is why he's not 'dominant,' he's always going to be the number 2 of a successful team.    If Stat is your number 1, your team isn't going anywhere.

Nash didn't need the carrying, he did it.  That's why he was a 2-time MVP and Stat wasn't.


It's not a knock against Stat but he wasn't gonna be effortlessly get his offense off on any defense.  He needed to be set up for a majority of his plays.   

That is why he isn't dominant.  SHAQ was dominant, he could take on any defense and get his own shot.  Same can be said for Kobe, HE is dominant, he can create his own offense over any defense.  Same can be said for LeBron, or of a prime Dwayne Wade, or Steve Nash as well who could get his offense off over any defense which is why people wanted him to shoot more while also making it happen for everything else.  And all of the above could also be a play initiator if the team requested it.

 

Stat on the other hand can't be asked to do that, and if you do your team is gonna lose a lot of games.   What you can ask him to do is pick his spots to finish plays, it's what he's best at.  

So Stat isn't gonna BE 'dominant', and he's never gonna get his own shot on any defense, it's not his forte, and it never has been. 

 

But he will be very productive if healthy and with the proper point guard.   Felton IS back but is he the same guy?  Time will tell.  One thing is for sure, Stat is coming off the bench for a reason, because Melo plays the 4 better than him and can get his own shot and Chandler defends the 5 better than him.




Obviously your definition of 'dominant' and mine are different.  Nothing wrong with that either.

Nash didn't deserve one of those MVPs....Kobe was robbed.

 

Pretty muchl.......To me, being dominant is being able to win the whole thing. Something Nash was unable to do, therefore was not dominant



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Posted October 10, 2013 - 10:04 PM

Nash didn't deserve one of those MVPs....Kobe was robbed.

 

Pretty muchl.......To me, being dominant is being able to win the whole thing. Something Nash was unable to do, therefore was not dominant


Kobe barely played the 2004-2005 season cause that was his injury prone season where he dunked on Dwight and the Lakers didn't make the playoffs.  So I wouldn't call that an out and out robbery.

The second MVP I agree, Kobe was robbed.


Edited by Majesty, October 10, 2013 - 10:04 PM.

 

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Posted October 10, 2013 - 10:43 PM


The second MVP I agree, Kobe was robbed.

 

Lakers finished 7th when Nash won his 2nd MVP. How did Kobe get robbed? 



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Posted October 10, 2013 - 10:44 PM

^ Look at what Kobe did with what he had around him.


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