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#21 citr92

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Posted October 07, 2013 - 01:06 PM

so how'd pau look (don't say soft...someone's gonna do it) i missed it

 

and when is kelly cleared to play?



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Posted October 07, 2013 - 01:10 PM

^ Pau's only played one game, which was yesterday's. He was 4-13 from the field in 26 minutes with 4 rebounds. Sacre had 8 boards in 13 minutes. Predator 5 in 13. manaro 5 in 13. Small man Nash 5 in 22, still more than Pau. Small man Ty Lawson had 10 in about 26. Basically he didn't help fight off Windu at all.

at this point of time, I prefer Johnson over Henry, he seems fearless 

Have you seriously been watching the games? If anything, he seems tentative as heck & unsure of himself out there. Lacking confidence & direction. He's giving effort on defense to some extent at least, but if he can't at least simply knock down a few easy jumpers then he becomes a liability out there. Defense has to at least respect you.

 

Xavier on the other hand has been doing it all other than assisting, but he's been scoring at will whether through attacking the basket & finishing, making jumpers, creating his own shot, getting to the free throw line, grabbing rebounds, playing D as well & even blocking shots. It's been a whole nother' story. I'm sorry, but I seriously have to question you, at least based on these first two games so far.


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Posted October 07, 2013 - 01:14 PM

oops typo on my part, I meant Henry over Johnson, my bad 


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Posted October 07, 2013 - 01:19 PM

:facepalm: lol. You coulda' saved me all that typing. Haha but no, it's no biggie. Typing ain't nothin' for me (fact I love it), part of the reason I'm so active.


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Posted October 07, 2013 - 03:37 PM

Gotta remember Pau just started running 2 weeks ago.  So of course he isn't gonna be up to NBA speed so he got winded early. Scrimmage can't replicate NBA speed he needs to get that cardio up.   So does Nash but Nash didn't seem winded his legs are just getting back into it.  

 

Johnson and Henry are a VERY good defensive combo.  As is Henry and Williams and Johnson and Williams.

 

When Johnson went out with that ankle injury and Meeks had to eat up all his playing time it went all downhill from there.

But what I do like is that despite all that everyone in the post game was talking about how they want to get even better on the defensive end.  It seems to be the main focus of this team.


Edited by Majesty, October 07, 2013 - 03:41 PM.

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Posted October 07, 2013 - 03:40 PM

So if you could choose and be honest, who actually gets a contract to fill out the rest of the roster?
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Posted October 07, 2013 - 03:42 PM

So if you could choose and be honest, who actually gets a contract to fill out the rest of the roster?


If I was picking now


I'd say Henry and Williams thus far.

Those that are left are Landry, Harris, Kelly. 

We have enough room for only 2 of those 3 that are left.


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Posted October 07, 2013 - 03:50 PM

Something interesting D'antoni said about Wesley today(paraphrase)

 

 

"I told him, that he has not played up to his potential, but if you watch the film, when he's on the court, we're a better team.  He makes us a better team when he's out there. And that should give him comfort knowing he doesn't HAVE to press so he can just find his rhythm."  

 

 

He is talking about defensively... D'antoni is talking about defense making them a better team and telling Wesley its that which makes us a better team and his job out there.  And I notice D'antoni is being more 'personal' with players than he had been last year talking to them all frequently, especially Landry last night.

BUT it also could mean trouble for Meeks, I'm sure D'antoni has noticed the kind of team we become when he's out there....offensively and defensively.

But good to hear nonetheless I'm glad D'antoni noticed.


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Posted October 07, 2013 - 06:40 PM

I like Henry, Williams, and Elias Harris. If we're shipping Meeks, then I'd love to keep Landry cuz he can spot up and can actually finish at the rim. 



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Posted October 07, 2013 - 06:54 PM

I like Henry, Williams, and Elias Harris. If we're shipping Meeks, then I'd love to keep Landry cuz he can spot up and can actually finish at the rim. 


See I want to do that too. But because Meeks was signed I don't know if he gets put on the 'inactive' like I'd like him to.

We know it's a business, so it's likely Landry would be cut because they really "HAVE" to keep Meeks.. sadly cause they already re-signed him.

I DON'T want Henry, or Williams to get screwed over because of that!!!

The three that it should come down to is Harris, Kelly and Landry.  And as Williams has already shown he can guard 4s play D and stroke the three and run the floor, I can see Kelly being the one cut if he can't really get on the court.   Harris is a nice prospect that could grow on our NBDL team along with Sacre.

If I had my choice of what our final roster would look like right now it would be this

 

 

Nash / Blake / Farmar
Kobe / Young / Henry

Johnson / Landry / Harris

Hill / Williams / Kelly

Gasol / Kaman / Sacre

The bold's are the inactives


And I'd cut Meeks or trade him to a team that could really use a stand still shooter in his position, a team like the Celtics maybe. But he has a guaranteed so we'll either get this lineup with Meeks but without Harris, without Kelly or without Landry


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Posted October 07, 2013 - 07:14 PM

 I think the coaching staff went into the preseason with the mind set of probably cutting Xavier Henry because I don't think we've heard much about him during summer camp and they probably weren't expecting much out of him. Now that he's come out and shown up near everyone on the cutting board AND certain players with guaranteed contracts, I'm guessing he messed up their plans. Probably why MDA looks a bit uncomfortable talking about him. 



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Posted October 07, 2013 - 07:21 PM

 I think the coaching staff went into the preseason with the mind set of probably cutting Xavier Henry because I don't think we've heard much about him during summer camp and they probably weren't expecting much out of him. Now that he's come out and shown up near everyone on the cutting board AND certain players with guaranteed contracts, I'm guessing he messed up their plans. Probably why MDA looks a bit uncomfortable talking about him. 


I think if MDA confirms Henry should make the team it puts pressure on everyone else.


As a coach you really can't talk about the players on the bubble and who is for sure gonna make it after two games, then what are they playing for? 

All you can really say is you're happy with how they are playing.


Why do you think D'antoni even acts like Ryan Kelly could get the starting 4 spot when deep down you know it's likely gonna be Hill, Williams or Kaman?
 

You gotta be political during moments like that. 

When asked if his play as of late should take him off the bubble D'antoni said "It should."  And that's all he can say about it. 

If he says "yes" then all of a sudden it gets weird for people like Landry and Harris who are fighting for the 2/3 or 4 spots as well.

If we take in 15 one of these guys

Henry
Williams
Landry
Harris
Kelly

aren't gonna make the team.

So if D'antoni says Henry and Williams are directly off the bubble it becomes a contest between Landry, Harris and Kelly and you may not get the best efforts out of either and in camp you can't play favorites like that, especially before one(Kelly) has even played yet.   But as of right now I think Henry is ahead of Harris and Harris is ahead of Kelly because Kelly hasn't played yet.

D'antoni's being political and for many reasons he has to be.  He can't just say that Williams and Henry are gonna be the starters and backup 2 games into pre-season.   The likes of DJO, and that other center etc would have to be gone before then.   


Edited by Majesty, October 07, 2013 - 07:23 PM.

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Posted October 07, 2013 - 09:48 PM

Good point. 



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Posted October 07, 2013 - 10:00 PM

I don't think Xavier was on the verge of getting cut. He was one of the first played.

 

Landry,DJo and that scrub unit are the ones I expect to be cut.

 

maybe Elias makes the team in the form of D-league



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Posted October 07, 2013 - 10:04 PM

Majesty...Landry is a scrub in EVERY sense of the word

 

Meeks is at least a SOLID 3rd string player

 

 

Lets keep it real and not be blinded or polarized by other agendas

 

 

meeks can put up 15 and I wouldn't be shocked if it happens next game

 

He could put up 20 and he can make positive things happen with his hustle in an NBA game

 

 

And I'm on the record for trading him and Steve blake and letting Farmar be our PG for the next few years with nash



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Posted October 07, 2013 - 10:27 PM

Meeks is capable of putting up 20, but not consistently though that's not what we need from him. We just need him to hit the easy, wide open looks consistently, but he can't even give us that. And he has moments where he breaks away from being a spot up shooter, which is what he is, and turns over the ball by either dribbling too much or taking it to the rim and getting the ball slapped away from him. Not to mention the offensive flow gets disrupted whenever he comes in because he's terrible at moving without the ball. Not to mention he gets crazy stupid during fast break opportunities. Not to mention he gets taken advantage of on defense. Not to mention he's a terrible finisher.

 

It also has to do with what we need from him. I think Xavier Henry has more to offer as a backup 2 for us and we got tons of 3 point specialists. Marcus Landry is a bigger body and can shoot just as well, which appeals to me more. 

 

But like Majesty said, we can't get rid of Jodie that easy so the odds are in your favor. 


Edited by zombeef, October 07, 2013 - 10:28 PM.


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Posted October 08, 2013 - 12:41 AM

The thing is Xavier is still a little green but his natural ability to score and get to the basket can't be overlooked as well as he seems to have a decent jump shot. 

Xavier drives to the basket consistently and tries to finish effectively.  Something Meeks cannot do with as much effectiveness,  Xavier is bigger and stronger than him at that.

Xavier can actually get his own shot as he's shown more so that Meeks anyway and isn't afraid to try to iso but doesn't do it too often unless he sees an opening.

 

If Xavier doesn't have a wide open three he'll drive to the lane or pass it.  If Meeks has a wide open three he waits...and either takes a bad shot or makes a bad pass or tries to put it on the floor and turns it over.

 

Meeks can score 20 and then go the next 10 games not putting up 6.

 

Xavier is always a threat to score because of his effectiveness to get to the basket and draw fouls. I think that is overlooked.

He scored 15 points on only 4 shots made(out of 7) because of his ability to get to the basket and draw fouls.  

THAT IS KEY and he's big enough and strong enough to muscle up with 2s and 3s, and he's long enough to bother 1s. 

Put him and Young out there and he can play stopper, or he can play off ball scorer while Young creates which we've seen a bit of thus far.

 

 

Xavier has a synergy with Wesley as well as Young and has shown he can be effective in any lineup thus far.

Meeks for all intents and purposes has been the guy we put in if we want the other team to go on a run.

 

The basic point is, there's nothing Meeks does that Landry can't.  And Landry can finish at the rim in ways Jodie cannot, can defend more positions than Jodie and is more consistent once his first shot goes down than Jodie.    It's the misses that suck lol.   But once Landry finds his range he gets that flame under his icon and nails the other shots he gets.  If the three isn't falling he can cut to the basket as well.

What can Jodie do when the shots not falling? 


Rebound?

No.. Landry and Henry do it better.

Get to the basket?

No.. Landry and Henry do it better


Defend!?!?

 

No... Landry and Henry do it better. 

 

 

If Jodie wasn't on a guaranteed one year deal he'd be one of the first cut when you compare him to Henry and Landry, they are bigger and stronger and can do what he can more effectively and have more than one way to do it.

 

Thus far this has been a season for Jodie to show us that he can take full advantage of this system and thus far he hasn't shown us a darn thing.


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Posted October 08, 2013 - 02:51 AM

One thing is Xavier's interview he brings up a lot of positive points.

He says that this system basically in plays that are drawn for him this system is different because it puts people where they are most advantageous when a play is drawn for them, instead of putting them in a corner.  

That's why a lot of movement happens to get people wide open shots.


Even the shots Gasol missed last night were in spots where if he wasn't rusty he'd be knocking them down(similar to the looks he got near the end of last year when he was missing them initially till about the 3rd game).

I like that it's bringing out the best in a talent like Xavier, and it's really helping others as well.

The only person I was worried about was Hill, because his legs weren't back, and he was still trying to regain his explosiveness and his legs.   But near the end of the last game his shot had a little more lift and his legs got a little higher off the ground when he was shooting and as was the case last time, after his legs got warm in the first half he started rebounding more.

 

Nash hasn't been able to play REAL basketball for about 5 months cause of recovery, and the scrimmages for the past two months have been his only basketball related activities thus far, so his rust is understandable.  

Gasol was only cleared to run about 2 weeks ago, so I'm not expecting him to get 17/10 in the first game.

What I did see was that a lot of the opportunities Pau got, he would usually finish, he did at the end of last season, and he got so many of them if he was fully in game prep shape and his rust was gone he'd have gotten 20+ and that is what I was looking for.  To see where Gasol would get his opportunities and I like it thus far.   And I also like how we had Pau for mid for a little bit but then we pretty started going primarily in the post with him and he got some post opportunities and we'd clear the lane when he got it, unless he was in the high post which is when he'd be looking to pass to cutters etc.  So yeah I like what I saw.  I like how the system sets up everyone for easy shots where they'd want it, once Hill, Gasol and Nash are up to NBA speed it should look really good imo.    But I want to see the defense stay intense!!

 

So those were my only worries aside from health and AS LONG AS EVERYONE REMAINS HEALTHY I see it rounding about shape wise towards the end of pre-season.


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Posted October 08, 2013 - 07:14 AM

Landry is garbage.



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Posted October 16, 2013 - 07:58 PM

Darius Johnson-Odom Driving Dunk:

Goodbye DJO. Thanks for giving us this at least.


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