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#21 Jody Smokes

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Posted September 16, 2013 - 03:26 PM

Why do people keep saying this?  We lost D12 and picked up Kaman, added a journeyman in Young, bust on the bubble in Wes Johnson and an avg PG that may not even be better than Blake in Farmar.  How does this fit what MDA supposedly wants?

 

Lets say it does, then what? This team roster wise is maybe an 8th seed at the moment. 

Call it what you will, but MDA has a team now that fits what he want. He probably wants a Frye type stretch 4 forward though. Last season, he faired well because the team did their own thing after the all-star break. This season he has nothing but shooters and a few bigs, training camp, a rest Nash, maybe a stronger and healthier Pau and no defense. He has just enough rope to hang himself if he doesn't make the playoffs or gets be swept in the first round.

But what I can see is this team making the playoffs, mainly on the fact that all these recent signings have a one year deal. They have no choice but to ball out this season or risk not getting another contract

Then again, Devin Ebanks got a deal with Dallas. The sky must be purple.. lol. Just a camp invite though. Good luck to him. Lol


Edited by Jody Smokes, September 16, 2013 - 03:26 PM.

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Posted September 16, 2013 - 03:53 PM

Why do people keep saying this?  We lost D12 and picked up Kaman, added a journeyman in Young, bust on the bubble in Wes Johnson and an avg PG that may not even be better than Blake in Farmar.  How does this fit what MDA supposedly wants?



kaman can pick and roll and hit the mid range jump shot and excels in horns and won't undermine D'antoni by refusing to ru pick and roll with Nash or Kobe.
 
Young can do what D'antoni asked Joe Johnson to do in his year and occasionally can find his own shot, as well as push pace and finish strong at the rim.

Wes Johnson can be a 3 and D guy.  

Shawne Williams excelled in D'antoni's system as the stretch 4.

Blake was wonderful last year in that system.

Steve Nash is Steve Nash.

Farmar can push the pace, and improved significantly in europe on the defensive as well as pick and roll side.  Not to mention is a better shooter than Lin and possibly at this point a better pick and roll point guard after his string in Europe.

In all honesty is there anything Lin could do in that system that Farmar can't? Is the talent THAT far apart?  

We'll see won't we?




There's no question D'antoni has the kind of lineups he wants, hence why he intends to run 11 deep. 

There was no point in keeping Dwight if A) Dwight wanted the Lakers to amnesty or Muzzle Kobe, and B) Dwight didn't want Pau in the paint with him and C) Dwight refused to run pick and roll and wanted to be a post player which he hadn't worked on all summer and D) He didn't want to be there anyway.


Pau and Kaman is probably the 5 rotation D'antoni would want as they can virtually do the same things, Kaman is just a better mid range threat.


The point guard rotation of Nash, Blake and Farmar probably makes D'antoni hit the roof in joy.

Having Nick Young backing up Kobe Bryant while also having one dimension 3 point shooting Meeks as a backup to that probably makes him happy as well.

Wesley Johnson being a 3 and D and slasher guy is something D'antoni likes from the 3 position.

Hill at the 4 is the wildcard, but if he's worked on his pick and roll game and mid range shot it shouldn't be an issue.  Shawne Williams is backing him up and excelled in D'antoni's system off the bench.  


yeah the lineup is one D'antoni is set up for success with.   Don't know why anyone would argue that.


What Rambis teaches the team defensively will be the make or break, I'm not worried about our offense clicking.


And since Windu is peering into this post he's gonna say

"It doesn't matter who's on the roster as long as D'antoni is the coach."

So I said it for him :)


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Posted September 16, 2013 - 03:57 PM


And since Windu is peering into this post he's gonna say

"It doesn't matter who's on the roster as long as D'antoni is the coach."

So I said it for him :)

 

Thanks man!  :thumbup:

 

Yeh it don't matter who's on the roster.


Edited by Windu, September 16, 2013 - 03:57 PM.

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Posted September 16, 2013 - 04:31 PM

When's the last time a team made up of "MDA's needs" accomplished anything?

^^^^^

 

That being said, I'm okay with him being coach for this year. Team probably isn't going anywhere regardless. Might as well let him play out the string. That way if they fire him next summer only have one year of salary to pay



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Posted September 16, 2013 - 04:34 PM

kaman can pick and roll and hit the mid range jump shot and excels in horns and won't undermine D'antoni by refusing to ru pick and roll with Nash or Kobe.
 

Kaman also hasn't played close to a full season in years, and is a poor defensive player


Young can do what D'antoni asked Joe Johnson to do in his year and occasionally can find his own shot, as well as push pace and finish strong at the rim.

 

Young isn't even close to the type of player Johnson was and that was a totally different team and roster make up

Wes Johnson can be a 3 and D guy.  

 

Wes Johnson has always been a horrible defensive player.  He came out of a college system that ran zone all day long.  See Carmelo Anthony.

Shawne Williams excelled in D'antoni's system as the stretch 4.

 

Don't know if you can call 7ppg a game excelling but he was a decent role player. 

Blake was wonderful last year in that system.
 

Blake wonderful? Or did he just not suck?


Steve Nash is Steve Nash.
 

Nash is also 40 and couldn't defend the worst PG in the game at this point, also can't play big minutes so thats a downside

 


Farmar can push the pace, and improved significantly in europe on the defensive as well as pick and roll side.  Not to mention is a better shooter than Lin and possibly at this point a better pick and roll point guard after his string in Europe.

 

He improved his D based on what? Playing against lesser talents?
In all honesty is there anything Lin could do in that system that Farmar can't? Is the talent THAT far apart?  

 

Lin was overhyped as hell but he at least put up a stretch that we'd never see Farmar duplicate.  Lin is better period.


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Posted September 16, 2013 - 04:51 PM

kaman can pick and roll and hit the mid range jump shot and excels in horns and won't undermine D'antoni by refusing to ru pick and roll with Nash or Kobe.
 

Kaman also hasn't played close to a full season in years, and is a poor defensive player


Young can do what D'antoni asked Joe Johnson to do in his year and occasionally can find his own shot, as well as push pace and finish strong at the rim.

 

Young isn't even close to the type of player Johnson was and that was a totally different team and roster make up

Wes Johnson can be a 3 and D guy.  

 

Wes Johnson has always been a horrible defensive player.  He came out of a college system that ran zone all day long.  See Carmelo Anthony.

Shawne Williams excelled in D'antoni's system as the stretch 4.

 

Don't know if you can call 7ppg a game excelling but he was a decent role player. 

Blake was wonderful last year in that system.
 

Blake wonderful? Or did he just not suck?


Steve Nash is Steve Nash.
 

Nash is also 40 and couldn't defend the worst PG in the game at this point, also can't play big minutes so thats a downside

 


Farmar can push the pace, and improved significantly in europe on the defensive as well as pick and roll side.  Not to mention is a better shooter than Lin and possibly at this point a better pick and roll point guard after his string in Europe.

 

He improved his D based on what? Playing against lesser talents?
In all honesty is there anything Lin could do in that system that Farmar can't? Is the talent THAT far apart?  

 

Lin was overhyped as hell but he at least put up a stretch that we'd never see Farmar duplicate.  Lin is better period.



Kaman's injury last year was concussion. 

And he played the lockout season for the most part relatively healthy.

Not worried on that front.   Kaman is fine as a rim protector and that's what he'd be, I don't expect him to chase down people.

 

Johnson wasn't thought to contribute anything special to that phoenix team when they got him.  

When he got there people didn't expect him to have the season he did and he was a 5 ppg guy that barely could shoot over 40 percent.

Once in that system he shot 46% from the field and 47% from three.  36% from three had been his best percentage up until that point and that was in a year he shot 38% from the field.

There's nothing Joe Johnson could do back then that Nick Young can't do either.


Wes Johnson's job would be as a 3 and D guy, that's pretty much it and it's something he's gonna have to do well at if he's going to keep his spot in the rotation.   it's something he'll work on, I don't expect him to be Ariza, but I'd assume if the second half of the season last year progress is any indication, he can at least duplicate what Clark did at the 3, maybe not on the defensive or rebounding end to that extent but offensively he shouldn't have an issue

He's a wild card but he's the kind of guy D'antoni likes.


And yes Blake excelled in that system last year because it was a system that took advantages of his strengths and if it was not for Blake's play especially with Meeks' inconsistency we likely don't make the playoffs.   Blake pretty much took Meeks spot.  That is saying something.   So Blake had his best year as a Laker as predicted and he excelled in D'antoni's system cause it's a system that uses his strengths and thus he played well not to mention being in the top 10 in three point shooting before falling to 11th or 14th near the end of the season.     That's production beyond 'just not sucking'.



Nash doesn't have to play big minutes.  He has Blake and Farmar backing him up.  That's the point.

 


And Farmar improved his D because his euro coach made him focus on it, run drills on it and become a better iso defender in general.    We can talk about the competition but the fact of the matter is his coach made him FOCUS primarily on it, and when you focus on it you improve it.

Goudelock went into the d-league last year not making anyone's rotation, he spent months in the d-league against 'lesser opposition' but they had him train to be a combo guard and improve his game.  When he came in to the playoffs with us he was a different player and Parker nor Ginobli could stop him. He wasn't the same guy.   But he was playing against D-league competition.. or "lesser" as you call it, but didn't matter, having to focus on aspects of his game that he had to implement night in and night out made him a better player and Farmar is a better player now than he was then.  Pick and Roll wise and Defensive wise.   Doesn't matter the competition, what matters is the fact he had to implement it the entire time over there as well as work on it every day.  You get better doing that no matter who you're playing against.  He's a better player now. 

 


Lin isn't ever gonna duplicate that stretch either.  

But Farmar is the better shooter and likely a better pick and roll point guard and defender at this point.   Lin is the better scorer.

So we'll see how big the 'gap' is between them this year.

I expect Farmar to excel in this offense for many of the same reasons I felt Blake would once D'antoni was named coach.

It goes right into his alley, and he gets to push pace more and it takes advantage of his strengths and allows him to actually run a team when the bench is out there.  So it's the best situation for a point guard like him.


Yes, D'antoni got the lineup he wanted.


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Posted September 16, 2013 - 08:24 PM

Any LAKER Coach not named Jackson is on the "Hot Seat"


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Posted September 16, 2013 - 08:48 PM

Is MDA on the hot seat? Rofl. Does a Bear [expletive] in the woods?

You would think and hope it's pretty obvious, but since our front office picked a guy like him in the first place, it wouldn't be all that shocking to me personally if they still stuck by him & gave him a little leeway. Hope I'm wrong of course.


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Posted September 19, 2013 - 09:37 AM

There must be something wrong with me. An opportunity to disparage MDA and I will pass. I'm saving my venom for the regular season.




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