Jump to content




Photo

ESPN The Forum: Examining The Lakers' Roster


  • Please log in to reply
30 replies to this topic

#21 lakersince75

lakersince75

    Rookie

  • 1,358 posts
  • Joined: Jun 30, 2010
  • Fan Since:1975
  • Fav. Laker:Kareem Abdul Jabbar

Posted September 24, 2013 - 05:12 PM


Who relieves Hill will be either Shawne Williams or Ryan Kelly depending on who impresses most in camp.  I'm gonna guess Williams gets the nod over both Kelly and Harris for that.

I really think Williams is too small to truly play PF. Ryan is too Green



#22 Majesty

Majesty

    Grats on making the Raiderettes cuzzo!!

  • 36,044 posts
  • Joined: Dec 11, 2011
  • Name:Jay
  • Fan Since:1987
  • Fav. Laker:Kobe present, Magic past

Posted September 24, 2013 - 06:18 PM

I really think Williams is too small to truly play PF. Ryan is too Green


That's what williams played on the Knicks and was effective.


Is Wayne Brady gonna have to Djokovic? - Robert Flores 


#23 lakersince75

lakersince75

    Rookie

  • 1,358 posts
  • Joined: Jun 30, 2010
  • Fan Since:1975
  • Fav. Laker:Kareem Abdul Jabbar

Posted September 25, 2013 - 02:31 AM

I hear ya but offense is not what I'm worried about. Williams defending players 6/10 240 in the post and attempting to carry a load rebounding is going to be hard. Williams is the perfect SF. He can create havoc at 6/9


That's what williams played on the Knicks and was effective.



#24 DanishLakerFan

DanishLakerFan

    Starter

  • 4,341 posts
  • Joined: May 27, 2011
  • Fan Since:1998
  • Fav. Laker:Kobe

Posted September 26, 2013 - 12:20 AM

Yeah, we'll be massacred on the defensive end with Kaman and Gasol as our last line of defense. Starting the game with a deficit on a nightly basis wouldn't a good thing.

Whether we’ll be massacred on the defensive end with Pau and Kaman depends on the team we’re playing and I think the length and size in the paint will make up for some of the lapses in pick/roll and transition defense.

 

Obviously, when some teams go small – like a Durant-Ibaka or LBJ-Bosh lineup – they’ll have their work cut out for them. On the other hand, so will they on the other end of the floor.

 

As much as people tend to hate Pau and Kaman, it’s hard to argue against their combined skillset.

 

Ideally we sign a guy like Tyrus Thomas, who could really help with transition and pick/roll defense. That would give us a lot of options. We could have a skilled big-man (Pau/Kaman) on the floor at all times alongside either a hustle/rebound guy (Hill), a defender (Thomas), or a shooter (Kelly, Williams). We could also go big with Kaman and Pau, small with Hill and Thomas or tiny with Thomas and Harris.



#25 Majesty

Majesty

    Grats on making the Raiderettes cuzzo!!

  • 36,044 posts
  • Joined: Dec 11, 2011
  • Name:Jay
  • Fan Since:1987
  • Fav. Laker:Kobe present, Magic past

Posted September 26, 2013 - 12:34 AM

Thomas is D-O-N-E


Is Wayne Brady gonna have to Djokovic? - Robert Flores 


#26 Jody Smokes

Jody Smokes

    Starter

  • 5,470 posts
  • Joined: Jun 01, 2013
  • Fan Since:2003
  • Fav. Laker:Kobe

Posted September 26, 2013 - 04:26 AM

Based on what? Being athletic doesn't automatically make guys effective in PnR and transition defense.  Thomas is a poor basketball player. 

Whether we’ll be massacred on the defensive end with Pau and Kaman depends on the team we’re playing and I think the length and size in the paint will make up for some of the lapses in pick/roll and transition defense.

 

Obviously, when some teams go small – like a Durant-Ibaka or LBJ-Bosh lineup – they’ll have their work cut out for them. On the other hand, so will they on the other end of the floor.

 

As much as people tend to hate Pau and Kaman, it’s hard to argue against their combined skillset.

 

Ideally we sign a guy like Tyrus Thomas, who could really help with transition and pick/roll defense. That would give us a lot of options. We could have a skilled big-man (Pau/Kaman) on the floor at all times alongside either a hustle/rebound guy (Hill), a defender (Thomas), or a shooter (Kelly, Williams). We could also go big with Kaman and Pau, small with Hill and Thomas or tiny with Thomas and Harris.


"Blake and Parker are good at canceling each other out till our bench point guard comes in"  - Majesty aka Bird Ish (12/4/13)


#27 DanishLakerFan

DanishLakerFan

    Starter

  • 4,341 posts
  • Joined: May 27, 2011
  • Fan Since:1998
  • Fav. Laker:Kobe

Posted September 26, 2013 - 05:52 AM

Based on what? Being athletic doesn't automatically make guys effective in PnR and transition defense.  Thomas is a poor basketball player. 

 

No, but it helps. Being athletic makes it easier to get back in transition defense and easier to switch on pick and rolls.

 

Thomas have been a poor basketball player these past two seasons, but a change of scenery could help him get back to his earlier years. When he was with the Bulls he was among the best at his position in steals and blocks and he's only 27.



#28 Jody Smokes

Jody Smokes

    Starter

  • 5,470 posts
  • Joined: Jun 01, 2013
  • Fan Since:2003
  • Fav. Laker:Kobe

Posted September 26, 2013 - 07:44 AM

He's been a poor player for his whole NBA tenure, its just now that he isnt 21 anymore that he gets less chances to be trash.  The only thing he ever brought to the game was great dunk putbacks and maybe an athletic block here and there.  Playing defense is more than athleticism.  Tiago Splitter is one of the best PnR defenders in the NBA and he isn't exactly oozing with athleticism.

No, but it helps. Being athletic makes it easier to get back in transition defense and easier to switch on pick and rolls.

 

Thomas have been a poor basketball player these past two seasons, but a change of scenery could help him get back to his earlier years. When he was with the Bulls he was among the best at his position in steals and blocks and he's only 27.


"Blake and Parker are good at canceling each other out till our bench point guard comes in"  - Majesty aka Bird Ish (12/4/13)


#29 DanishLakerFan

DanishLakerFan

    Starter

  • 4,341 posts
  • Joined: May 27, 2011
  • Fan Since:1998
  • Fav. Laker:Kobe

Posted September 27, 2013 - 02:16 AM

He's been a poor player for his whole NBA tenure, its just now that he isnt 21 anymore that he gets less chances to be trash.  The only thing he ever brought to the game was great dunk putbacks and maybe an athletic block here and there.  Playing defense is more than athleticism.  Tiago Splitter is one of the best PnR defenders in the NBA and he isn't exactly oozing with athleticism.

 

Nonsense. The first five years of his career he had a PER of 15-18 and was consistently among the best at his position in blocks and steals. For that reason, he was given a massive deal.

Then in 2011-12 his production dropped to almost nothing. Why? Who knows, but playing in [expletive]ing Charlotte with very few guys who could create for other than themselves had something to do about it.

In LA, he would be asked to do one thing: play defense as the fourth frontcourt player - and he could actually end up turning his career around. As I've said before - he is only 27.

 

Regarding Splitter? Seriously? One of the best in the nba in PnR defense? Strongly disagree.



#30 Majesty

Majesty

    Grats on making the Raiderettes cuzzo!!

  • 36,044 posts
  • Joined: Dec 11, 2011
  • Name:Jay
  • Fan Since:1987
  • Fav. Laker:Kobe present, Magic past

Posted September 27, 2013 - 02:23 AM

Tyrus Thomas ain't been relevant since the Bulls beat the Heat in the first round. 

it wasn't playing in Charlotte.

Nick Young played in Washington, still averaged 17 ppg.   Beasley played in Minnesota and still got 19 ppg on 45% shooting before injuries got to him in that second year.


Thomas not only deals with injuries every season now, but general laziness, knuckleheadedness, not listening, and not dedicating himself.

He gets contracts cause of those first 5 years but is about as meaningful as Ebanks got when his minutes were taken away.


If you want a guy that is just gonna be a shotblocker or rim protector, get Hyman for camp, not Tyrus Thomas. 

You already got Shawne Williams as well who can actually shoot and you got Hill to start, so what are you gonna do with Thomas?   he's not gonna take Kaman's spot.  So what happens there? 

You get him on injury watch alone?  A guy that his last two years in the NBA a non defending injured Beasley ranked higher than him?  

Thomas is done.    It wasn't the Bobcats, it was him.  You can still be on a suck team and put up good numbers. 

he was the one that refused to listen to his coach.
He was the one who cursed out his coach and teammates.
He was the one that walked out on practice.
He was the one that never worked on his game.
he was the one that rode the coattails of his first 5 years didn't capitalize.
He was the one whose game fell off so bad that the BOBCATS of all people let him go.

It wasn't being in Charlotte, it was letting your game slip to the point of no return where you can no longer even do the one thing you're good for.

He's done.   At best he goes overseas, humbles himself and comes back a lesser version of Chris Anderson.  And when that is your ceiling considering the potential you once had, it's just a clue on how far his game fell, and he has only himself to blame.

 


Edited by Majesty, September 27, 2013 - 02:24 AM.

Is Wayne Brady gonna have to Djokovic? - Robert Flores 


#31 DanishLakerFan

DanishLakerFan

    Starter

  • 4,341 posts
  • Joined: May 27, 2011
  • Fan Since:1998
  • Fav. Laker:Kobe

Posted September 27, 2013 - 05:45 AM


Thomas is done.    It wasn't the Bobcats, it was him.  You can still be on a suck team and put up good numbers. 


 

 

True. Many players would probably have put up good numbers on the bobcats.

 

However, if you're a roleplayer like Thomas whose game is shotblocking and athleticism, you're quite dependent on other guys making plays. That's not happening in Charlotte, whose been the worst passing team in basketball over the past seasons.

 

The Bobcats consisted of two types of players: low-efficiency scorers who cant pass (Gordon, Magette, Walker) and athletic big guys who cant neither pass or score (Biyombo, Diop, McRoberts, Haywood, Kidd-Gilchrist). Basically, no-one could help him on the offensive end and they had a handful of guys who could do the same as him on the defensive end.






0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users