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#41 Majesty

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Posted September 11, 2013 - 05:11 PM

Wouldn't get any popcorn.

When people start talking like this to each other, all it takes is Real Deal or another mod coming into the thread if they think it's gotten out of hand and going

"Enough."

And that's it.

So perhaps you both should take it to the PM's before it comes to that and allowing the thread to refocus on topic.


Edited by Majesty, September 11, 2013 - 05:12 PM.

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Posted September 11, 2013 - 05:29 PM

Im cool I aint making a big deal

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Posted September 11, 2013 - 05:33 PM

Thread is under review for all the personal attacks and name calling.

Some of you guys just don't get it.

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Posted September 11, 2013 - 05:59 PM

The Lakers don't have to try to sign anybody this off-season.
, they can take on contracts as well. Maybe take on a contract and then wait for the following seasons free agents.
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Posted September 11, 2013 - 06:32 PM

Understood but look into it and see who picks fights with everyone lol

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Posted September 11, 2013 - 06:43 PM

Lmao you mad? You can't even clearly articulate yourself.  You must be a kid.  Anybody that thinks Pau Gasol is a trash player should never even discuss basketball let alone be a Lakers fan.  Pau is not a star player IMO but he is far from trash.  I watch plenty of ball and not just Kobe highlights which is probably what you do. 

 

You accused me from being from the tanking crowd when I suggested in an unrelated thread that the Lakers should start rebuilding earlier not later. 

I remember you suggesting tanking :whip: :laughing:


Edited by Ham, September 11, 2013 - 06:51 PM.

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Posted September 11, 2013 - 06:56 PM

Lol he hops around back and fourth bro just ignore him.hes a professional analyst we can hang with him or his boy toy harry. Theyre sport scholars

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Posted September 11, 2013 - 07:23 PM

Understood but look into it and see who picks fights with everyone lol

 

How about you understand that you don't tell the mods what to look at it. 



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Posted September 11, 2013 - 07:23 PM

Lol he hops around back and fourth bro just ignore him.hes a professional analyst we can hang with him or his boy toy harry. Theyre sport scholars

 

Seriously enough. Next time you're gone. 



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Posted September 11, 2013 - 07:31 PM

Got you westcoast!

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Posted September 12, 2013 - 05:04 AM

....back to the article;

 

Henry Abbott is a [expletive]ing retard who's been called a Kobe-hater by many writers, including a few who themselves have been called Kobe-haters, like John Hollinger.

 

The fact that he mention Sessions as someone who'd rather be a back-up in Charlotte as an example shows exactly how biased he is (Abbott). Sessions was a victim of bad timing and a gamble on his part and if we had missed out on Nash, i think Sessions would be in Purple and gold right now.

 

Another article was posted recently by Dr. Doolittle - the "mastermind" behind the WARP-rankings. (I just threw up). Besides being a no-brainer for Adam Silver and the NBA to prevent, like they did with the KG-Doc-Clips-deal, I think the basic 5 points he has are somewhat sound:

1. Recognize Kobe and Pau as the foundation

2. Trade Nash for assets

3. Keep the 2014 pick

4. Sign Bryant and Gasol - quickly (and cheap)

5. Sign top- or next-tier FAs.

 

 

 

How the Lakers should rebuild Franchise faces an unprecedented and critical offseason in 2014

Updated: September 11, 2013, 5:10 PM ET
By Bradford Doolittle | ESPN Insider

 

 

nba_gasol_kobe_d1_576.jpgGary A. Vasquez/USA TODAY SportsCould Lakers GM Mitch Kupchak sign Pau Gasol and Kobe Bryant to the veteran's minimum?
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The Los Angeles Lakers don't rebuild. That's been true since their early days back in Minneapolis, when the franchise nickname made sense, and it's been true through the eras of George Mikan, Jerry West, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Magic Johnson and Kobe Bryant.

The latest projection from my ATH system has the Lakers with 34 wins in the coming season, and the system's most recent round of simulations had Los Angeles making the postseason in three of 1,000 replays of the season. ESPN.com's Summer Forecast also has the Lakers finishing 12th in the West, much to Bryant's chagrin. In other words, Los Angeles could be headed for their first single-digit draft slot since taking James Worthy first overall in 1982. If you think my projection is an aberration, be aware that I've seen other projections. It's not.

That's just scratching the surface of the Lakers' woes. Depending on how the standings fall, Los Angeles could be without its first-round picks in 2015 and 2017, and wont' have a second-round pick in three of the next four seasons. The team's top three players -- Kobe Bryant, Steve Nash and Pau Gasol -- have a combined 46 years of NBA mileage under their collective belt, and all three have undergone some kind of surgery over the past year.

On the bright side, before he was hurt last season, Bryant was as good as ever, averaging 27.3 points on the third-best true shooting percentage of his career. And the Lakers' long-clogged salary cap is about to finally come unstuck, with only Nash due significant guaranteed money after 2013-14. The coming flexibility will coincide with what could be a major shuffling of power in the NBA, with the loaded 2014 draft class and a sparkling free-agent market in the offing.

With a roster headed by three future Hall of Famers, it's certainly not out of the question that L.A. outperforms its dire statistical forecast. However, if and when the season goes south, how can general manager Mitch Kupchak bring the luster back to Los Angeles?

 

 

1. Recognize Pau Gasol and Kobe Bryant as the foundation.

This isn't a move, but a recognition of the franchise's situation. Bryant's presence is what dictates everything. As perhaps the greatest Laker of them all, rebuilding is not an option after what will be 18 seasons with the team. With Bryant's contract expiring, Kupchak will have the opportunity to structure a roster and payroll, in cooperation with Bryant, that will give him one more window to chase title No. 6, while setting up the Lakers for the long term.

As for Gasol, the paucity of quality big men in the league, his track record of success with Bryant and, most importantly, his own expiring contract all combine to make him a solid fit to remain a Laker. Gasol's knee problems are a concern, making his production an important issue.

 

2. Trade Steve Nash for future assets.

Nash still has plenty left in the tank. He averaged 18 points and 10 assists per 40 minutes last season during the minutes in which he didn't share the court with Bryant. When teamed with Bryant, Nash was a lower-volume, higher-efficiency player. In a vacuum, that's fine. However, just as important as any awkwardness on offense, it's not a tenable defensive backcourt.

With a reasonable contract and a valuable skill set, Nash would be a welcome acquisition for most contenders in the league. The Lakers would not take back any money beyond next season in such a trade, and would only ask for a late first-round pick or, more likely, a couple of second-rounders in return. Under the reality of the new CBA, even the Lakers can't continue to ignore the draft.

 

3. Keep the 2014 draft pick

A Nash deal wouldn't come down until the deadline, by which time it's apparent that 2012-13 is a lost season. Gasol rumors would be rampant by that point, but we've already established that we're keeping him barring a blockbuster deal. So the next chance for Kupchak to set himself up for 2014-15 will be on draft night.

A 48-loss season would give the Lakers an outside shot at lottery magic. And let's face it, this is one franchise that is used to good fortune. Even if the Lakers don't move up, a pick at Nos. 7 or 8 (in one of the deepest drafts ever) would still put them into position to grab a future All-Star. Chad Ford has the Lakers selecting raw but talented Kansas big Joel Embiid at No. 10. The selection could also be a key trade piece down the line.

 

 

4. Sign Bryant and Gasol -- quickly

Bryant and Gasol will have massive cap holds on the Lakers' books upon hitting free agency -- a combined $52 million. Until they are resolved one way or another, Kupchak's offseason agenda will be choked.

Here's the strategy: Sign Bryant and Gasol to one-year deals for as low as the veteran's minimum.

Under this arrangement, the Lakers would open up massive amounts of cap space. After renouncing the other free agents, accounting for Bryant and Gasol's minimum salaries, the guaranteed money due to Robert Sacre, CBA-mandated minimum-player holds and the hold for the first-round pick, the Lakers still only have about $11 million of the cap accounted for -- easily enough room for two max-contract free agents.

It would be an extreme show of faith by the Lakers' stars. Kupchak could offer both players huge pay increases after 2014-15 using their Bird rights, in essence giving them an average salary commensurate with their current-day talents. However, this can't be agreed upon beforehand. Even if Bryant and Gasol can get past the ego issues of the pay cuts, there is still the risk of injury to scare them off. It's tough. Kupchak would be tasked with making a sales pitch without overtly making the sales pitch.

 

5a. Sign two max free agents

 

It's so simple, right? With all of this cap space, Kupchak opens up the check book, signs LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony, and lives happily ever after. I'm not sure anyone really wants to see Bryant and Anthony on the same team, but besides those two, Paul George and Chris Bosh are the only potential free agents I see as possible max-type targets.

We've also seen that, these days, having an attractive talent core may be more important to elite free agents than max money, or a glitzy locale. The Lakers learned that first hand from Dwight Howard this summer. Still, you have to roll out the red carpet, especially for James.

 

5b. Sign two next-tier free agents to short-term deals

This is the lesson I took from the blockbuster Nets-Celtics trade on draft night: If you signed an OK player to a bloated contract -- like Gerald Wallace -- you can use his salary slot to acquire a better player.

If the Lakers strike out on the heavy hitters in the next free agent class, the next level of available players would be targeted. We're talking about players like Paul Pierce, Andrew Bogut and Luol Deng. Landing two of those players on short-term contracts for eight figures per season not only adds on-court talent, but it locks down two high-dollar salary slots.

The key is to keep the duration of the contract short, or else you risk ruining the trade value of the player. The eventual target would be a top-10 player who decides he can't continue in his current situation.

Who knows who will be the next disgruntled superstar? Maybe if things go bad for the Thunder, Kevin Durant will seek brighter lights. Maybe Chris Paul doesn't like playing for Doc Rivers, or things go bad for Blake Griffin. Perhaps Kevin Love wants out of Minnesota, or LaMarcus Aldridge bails on Portland, or the Kings tire of DeMarcus Cousins. We never know when these situations will crop up.

By locking down two decent players with sizable, but moveable contracts, the Lakers would become a team capable of dangling near-term cap space for an opponent hitting the reset button. Packaging one or both of the free-agent signings with the aforementioned prized draft pick will sweeten the pot that much more.

This is just one of many paths Kupchak can take to return the Lakers to relevance. The scheme requires luck, faith, failure, guts and cunning. Getting a team to the championship level always does, and when you can't truly rebuild, a few things are going to have to fall your way. If this plan seems desperate to you, well, that's kind of where the Lakers are at.


Edited by DanishLakerFan, September 12, 2013 - 05:09 AM.


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Posted September 12, 2013 - 06:37 AM

[expletive] all the haters

i had that...

 

do u we have become such a bad reputation as a franchise??? 


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Posted September 12, 2013 - 07:53 AM

All I know this year EVERYONE is on a ONE year TRYOUT. Everyone is a camp invite including coaches. This may actually be genius. I hate to say it but if Jordan, Kareem, Wilt, Hakeem, Drexler, Barkley, Nash, Pippin and LeBron ended careers with different teams than they started with (some by choice and some not) Kobe is no different.Everyone is on Notice this year. It's going to be wild to see how it all pans out. It really does have the feel of what Miami did the year before they signed Wade, Bosh and James. Tanking isn't the intention but prepping for 14/15 definately is



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Posted September 12, 2013 - 09:32 AM

If the Lakers resign Kobe for more than 13M/yr, they will have wasted their money.  Not because he won't produce at that level...but because his production and efficiency are inversely proportional as he ages, which is normal for anyone at his age.

 

I think Kobe should be the last thing on the agenda for the Lakers next offseason...first being bringing in a relatively young superstar to lead for the future and next being adding as much youth to surround that player as possible.  Am I saying Kobe should take a massive cut?

 

HECK YES if he wants to win his 6th and 7th ring as a player.  The days of Kobe leading this team to the NBA Finals are over.

 

 

Now who is available?  Melo, Deng, LBJ and a slew of other young stars may become available via trade. 

 

The article is outrageous...but the truth is the Lakers need to move forward.  While moving on without Kobe is beyond disloyal and classless, moving on with him handicapping our ability to compete at a high level in the near and distant future is ALSO disloyalty and disrespectful to an organization that was winning Ch'ips long before he was born.

 

I think in an ideal world, Kobe takes the Duncan/KG route.  Even Wade took less to get LBJ/Bosh...and he's still IN his prime.

 

That's a much bigger issue than the coach or GM or President of the Lakers right now.

 

And yes, it IS true that some players do not want to waste years of their prime being barked at by Kobe or "carrying" him when they clearly should be molding the team around the NEW, not the OLD...



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Posted September 12, 2013 - 10:03 AM

I think this is the problem.  Kobe doesn't see himself in that role and a lot of fans are fine with that.  Sadly.

 

If the Lakers resign Kobe for more than 13M/yr, they will have wasted their money.  Not because he won't produce at that level...but because his production and efficiency are inversely proportional as he ages, which is normal for anyone at his age.

 

I think Kobe should be the last thing on the agenda for the Lakers next offseason...first being bringing in a relatively young superstar to lead for the future and next being adding as much youth to surround that player as possible.  Am I saying Kobe should take a massive cut?

 

HECK YES if he wants to win his 6th and 7th ring as a player.  The days of Kobe leading this team to the NBA Finals are over.

 

 

Now who is available?  Melo, Deng, LBJ and a slew of other young stars may become available via trade. 

 

The article is outrageous...but the truth is the Lakers need to move forward.  While moving on without Kobe is beyond disloyal and classless, moving on with him handicapping our ability to compete at a high level in the near and distant future is ALSO disloyalty and disrespectful to an organization that was winning Ch'ips long before he was born.

 

I think in an ideal world, Kobe takes the Duncan/KG route.  Even Wade took less to get LBJ/Bosh...and he's still IN his prime.

 

That's a much bigger issue than the coach or GM or President of the Lakers right now.

 

And yes, it IS true that some players do not want to waste years of their prime being barked at by Kobe or "carrying" him when they clearly should be molding the team around the NEW, not the OLD...


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Posted September 12, 2013 - 10:39 AM

Lol he hops around back and fourth bro just ignore him.hes a professional analyst we can hang with him or his boy toy harry. Theyre sport scholars

You should have been banned on sight. What do I even have to do with this discussion? I was actually laughing at it...



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Posted September 12, 2013 - 11:22 AM

Stop with keep Pau nonsense after this season. :smh:


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Posted September 12, 2013 - 01:23 PM

While I don't disagree guys that want Pau gone apparently must think that above average to good big men fall out of the sky.  Guys want the Lakers to compete but want Pau gone.  Point to the 2014 free agency as the savior of the team but look how barren it is outside Lebron and Melo.  Bogut would be the only possible replacement thats an established player. 

Stop with keep Pau nonsense after this season. :smh:


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Posted September 12, 2013 - 08:08 PM

I have no problem taking a hatchet to any and everyone on this team next year.  I don't feel that the Lakers OWE any player on this team  more than they owe their FANS.  The Lakers have to do what's best for the franchise LONGTERM, not just the next 2-3 years.

 

That's logical.

That's good business.

That's not something fans are capable of seeing clearly.

 

 

Just imagine if we could sign both Kobe and Pau for 10M each!!!  That leaves about 28M - 15M for Melo, 10M for Deng with change left over...

 

That's our best case scenario...not necessarily those players but that type of situation...



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Posted September 12, 2013 - 08:38 PM

I have no problem taking a hatchet to any and everyone on this team next year.  I don't feel that the Lakers OWE any player on this team  more than they owe their FANS.  The Lakers have to do what's best for the franchise LONGTERM, not just the next 2-3 years.

 

That's logical.

That's good business.

That's not something fans are capable of seeing clearly.

 

 

Just imagine if we could sign both Kobe and Pau for 10M each!!!  That leaves about 28M - 15M for Melo, 10M for Deng with change left over...

 

That's our best case scenario...not necessarily those players but that type of situation...


I think when it comes down to Kobe and Pau, Pau could get fairly less than 10 million imo.


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