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#1 bfc1125roy

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Posted September 11, 2013 - 11:59 AM

It's hard to say why we save the things we save when someone dies. Why a particular shirt feels meaningful or why it's hard to delete certain voicemails. The list of things a loved one leaves in a will might be long. It's often what they didn't have to include in the will that sticks with you.

Among other things, Jim Buss saved a voicemail from his father from Jan. 20, less than a month before the Lakers' Hall of Fame owner, Jerry Buss, died after an 18-month battle with cancer. He has replayed it so many times he knows it by heart.

 

" 'Hey Jim, it's your dad,' " Buss says, mimicking his father's squeaky voice. " 'What an incredible waste of talent. Oh well. The experiment didn't work.' "

 

Buss had missed the call. His dad had wanted to talk to him about the Los Angeles Lakers' disappointing season. Run though all the decisions they'd made together that hadn't turned out the way they'd hoped. The offseason trades for Steve Nash and Dwight Howard that were supposed to make the $100 million Lakers title contenders, but ended up turning into an injury-riddled flop. The early-season firing of coach Mike Brown and surprising hire of Mike D'Antoni (over Phil Jackson) that could have made them look like savvy geniuses but instead came off as misguided and hurried. They had discussed those things backward and forward a thousand times already, and all roads came back to the same place.

 

"My dad was disappointed, just as all Laker fans should be disappointed that we didn't get to realize the dream of four Hall of Famers on the same team," Buss said in an interview with ESPNLosAngeles.com. "But hey, we went for it. What the hell. ...

 

Rest of Article

 

Good Read. Jimmy has his work cut out ahead of him. 


Edited by bfc1125roy, September 11, 2013 - 12:02 PM.


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Posted September 11, 2013 - 12:20 PM

This is who I want. D'Antoni's the man

 

You know what? D'Antoni's the guy. I've always liked him. Showtime. I think it will be fun basketball as we make the transition [from the Kobe Bryant era]

 

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Posted September 11, 2013 - 01:04 PM

^ that was from Jerry buss. All Jim did was listen to his dad and hired mike d'antoni

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Posted September 11, 2013 - 01:20 PM

^ that was from Jerry buss. All Jim did was listen to his dad and hired mike d'antoni



People hate hearing that and would rather assume that Jerry was 'taken advantage of' by his son and tricked into hiring D'antoni or was delirious in his sickness and that they shouldn't have listened or something.

Fact is, Jerry picked D'antoni and as Jim said, him and Jerry worked every day on decisions together up until the final month of his life.  

Come on it wasn't a senile old man, it was Jerry Buss who was still putting in work every day even from his hospital bed. THAT should be commended and should be thought of in terms of how great an owner and hard worker he was.

Trying to weaken how hard he worked just because you don't want to put the D'antoni hire on him is disrespectful to how hard the guy worked up until the very end.

Yes Jerry chose D'antoni.  It doesn't diminish everything he did nor make the world implode.  It's time to move on.

RIP Jerry Buss.  Thank you for working your tail off for us all even till the very end. 

RESPECT to this man!!


Edited by Majesty, September 11, 2013 - 01:21 PM.

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Posted September 11, 2013 - 01:27 PM

important
 

"We did the coaching search and interviews and fed him all the information," Buss said. "And he said, 'This is who I want. D'Antoni's the man.' Knowing that in the future we had to rebuild, he felt that Phil was not a guy to rebuild. It's not fair to him. It was actually more of a respectful thought towards Phil."

 

Jim said he and Kupchak had come to the conclusion that Jackson simply wasn't sure if he wanted to return to the sidelines after their interview with him, and if he was reluctant, so were they. He noted that Kupchak and Jackson also had lunched over the summer and Jackson told Kupchak then that he had no intention of ever coaching again. Still, Buss said they wanted to reach out to gauge Jackson's interest again after firing Brown because "he's the best basketball coach of all time."

 

When they reported back to Dr. Buss after all of the interviews had concluded (Mike Dunleavy had also interviewed for the job), he assessed the situation quickly and made a decision.

 

"My dad said, 'You know what? D'Antoni's the guy. I've always liked him. Showtime. I think it will be fun basketball as we make the transition [from the Kobe Bryant era],' " Jim said.

 

He said his father also told them to hire D'Antoni quickly.

 

"He said, 'Do it by Sunday night,' " Buss said. "He wanted to get it done before the weekend was over."




Sounds to me like Jerry didn't like being put on 'hold' for one. Wasn't too confident that Phil even knew if he really wanted to coach again, and felt Phil obviously wouldn't stick around when it came time to 'rebuild' which could have been after the 2014 season should Kobe retire(and I'm guessing Jerry thought he would, if we had Dwight and the future in place etc)

And for two he felt like the Lakers in a few years were gonna be rebuilding and didn't want to put Phil through it.

And third seems he was genuinely a fan of D'antoni's style,

I'm almost 99.9% sure Jerry thought Kobe was going to retire after the 2014 season and that Gasol would be gone and that it would be about building around Dwight, whatever star we got in 2014 as well as a younger core.

So when he talks about transitioning from that era he picked D'antoni because of the style he felt Dwight would be most comfortable in(which was the guy they were gonna be building around) and D'antoni's style IS one Dwight can play in, he just left for Houston to play that kind of style.   I'm sure that's probably what Jerry had in mind when he made that decision after that 2014 season.  Honestly I don't blame him for thinking that way, I really don't.  


Edited by Majesty, September 11, 2013 - 01:29 PM.

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Posted September 11, 2013 - 01:44 PM

^ that was from Jerry buss.

 

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Posted September 11, 2013 - 02:39 PM

Jim says that Jerry wanted MDA.  I will accept that for what it is worth.  I have been around enough folks dying of cancer to question what it is worth.  But I will accept Jim's word that Jerry had major input into the decision.  That by no means gives Jim and Mitch a free pass.  If Phil said or suggested he was not interested there were way too many other qualified coaches then available.  The decision is virtually indefensible, no matter who made it.



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Posted September 11, 2013 - 07:42 PM

Why couldn't they wait for 2014 to hire MDA then?



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Posted September 11, 2013 - 07:52 PM

Why couldn't they wait for 2014 to hire MDA then?


Cause Jerry didn't have till 2014...


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Posted September 11, 2013 - 09:43 PM

Jim says that Jerry wanted MDA.  I will accept that for what it is worth.  I have been around enough folks dying of cancer to question what it is worth.  But I will accept Jim's word that Jerry had major input into the decision.  That by no means gives Jim and Mitch a free pass.  If Phil said or suggested he was not interested there were way too many other qualified coaches then available.  The decision is virtually indefensible, no matter who made it.

Phil talked to Mitch in the off-season. 

 

They knew he wanted to be a pat Riley and jerry was cohesive enough to know that he did NOT want that.

 

 

 

As the guy who helped build the Lakers, I respect that he put Jim and not his eldest Johnny in charge. This isn't a simple decision of Jim being his son, but he felt he was qualified.

 

 

 

Dr Buss WAS the greatest ever. He is gone. Now we have an owner who will spend the money and is not all about profit.

 

 

EVERYTHING ELSE IS IRRELEVANT 



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Posted September 12, 2013 - 02:52 AM

I'll give Jim 4 more years to provehimself

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Posted September 12, 2013 - 03:47 AM

Why doesn't he just do the noble thing and be like "hey, my father is gone. He was perfect and did no wrong. I take full responsibility for hiring.  Leave him out of this" . Whether he did or didn't? What next?  Is he gonna produce a recording of his dad and a full affidavit?  Quit throwing him under the bus bro.  No pun intended.  Were over it. Just get back to conquering the league again. We love you no need to prove to us anymore.  Just win.  End rant



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Posted September 12, 2013 - 10:06 AM

I've said this before in another thread.  If Dr Buss made that call to bring in MDA it really speaks to how inept the front office is right now.  Jerry Buss was on a his death bed for like a year and hadn't attended a home game since the mid of the 11-12 season I believe (correct me if I'm wrong).  Why is he making personnel decisions?


Edited by Jody Smokes, September 12, 2013 - 10:09 AM.

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Posted September 12, 2013 - 11:45 AM

I've said this before in another thread.  If Dr Buss made that call to bring in MDA it really speaks to how inept the front office is right now.  Jerry Buss was on a his death bed for like a year and hadn't attended a home game since the mid of the 11-12 season I believe (correct me if I'm wrong).  Why is he making personnel decisions?

While we may never be convinced of the way things went down with this decision...In answer to your query--sometimes the body fails before the mind does, and sometimes the mind before the body.


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Posted September 12, 2013 - 11:53 AM

I've said this before in another thread.  If Dr Buss made that call to bring in MDA it really speaks to how inept the front office is right now.  Jerry Buss was on a his death bed for like a year and hadn't attended a home game since the mid of the 11-12 season I believe (correct me if I'm wrong).  Why is he making personnel decisions?

He was only terminal for the last month-per ramona Shelburne

 

 

WTF are u talking about?  You think jim was talking to a comatose man. Kobe said he talked to Jerry and his mind was still sharp and quick.

 

 

SO DISRESPECTFUL, and for what? Some ego trip about wanting "your" team to win every title, meanwhile jerry spending money like crazy to try and help HIS team win one.

 

 

 

Laker fans tend to be spoiled and have a sense of entitlement, but damn.



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Posted September 12, 2013 - 11:57 AM

I'll give Jim 4 more years to provehimself

By our logic, Jerry Buss in the 90s was NOTHIINg, we had zero titles. After Magic left, he LOVED  going to the playoffs with Nick Van Exel, while there was

 

 

Jordan

Hakeem

Admiral

Ewingg

Stockton

Malone

Pippen

Reggie

Kemp

Glove

Mullin

Price

 

 

and all these Hall of Famers, we had Eddie Jones, Ced C and Nick the Quick

 

 

 

Jerry Biuss was LUCKY to have Magic and Kobe, two natural born winners

 

The Spurs are lucky to have gotten duncan

 

Cle was lucky with LeBron but did nothing with him, partially because CLE( the city) sucks and No one wanted to play there

 

Mia knew what to do

 

 

 

Thats what the NBA is about. Stars leading u top titles



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Posted September 13, 2013 - 03:14 AM

Thought I'd post THIS here...



Sounds like very VERY key

Ramona Shelburne ‏@ramonashelburne
To clarify: When Jim/Jerry Buss says the Lakers knew they had to "rebuild" soon, it's referring to the luxury tax hell his yr

Ramona Shelburne ‏@ramonashelburne
Jim Buss told me that he and his father knew there was no way they could keep that $100 million team together past 2012-13 season.

Ramona Shelburne ‏@ramonashelburne
Jim Buss said Phil wanted to do 2 yrs They felt they'd only be able to keep that group together for 1, and the 2nd year was a transition yr

Ramona Shelburne ‏@ramonashelburne
Jim Buss said that he and his father felt that wasn't fair to Phil, or the best use of his talents.


Interesting. 


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