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#21 Jody Smokes

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Posted August 30, 2013 - 08:41 AM

You can't be realistically thinking of rebuilding around a 35 year old wing coming off an achilles injury...don't care what he has done in his career


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Posted August 30, 2013 - 11:36 AM

Lakers don't rebuild...they reload. They're not gonna be a lotto team even with a [expletive]ty coach like mda. You fire mda and play out the season with whoever at the helm, trade/cut/remove Pau Gasol, make some sound draft picks in the near future, and go from there.

Dropping Kobe and/or tanking are not options.

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Posted September 02, 2013 - 02:24 PM

No suprise Jody doesn't want Kobe here or believes this team can't win with Kobe on it... :thumbsdown:


Edited by LakeShow805, September 02, 2013 - 02:24 PM.


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Posted September 02, 2013 - 04:42 PM

You are pretty dense

No suprise Jody doesn't want Kobe here or believes this team can't win with Kobe on it... :thumbsdown:


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Posted September 03, 2013 - 12:12 AM

Lakers don't rebuild...they reload. They're not gonna be a lotto team even with a [expletive]ty coach like mda. You fire mda and play out the season with whoever at the helm, trade/cut/remove Pau Gasol, make some sound draft picks in the near future, and go from there.

Dropping Kobe and/or tanking are not options.

Agree - except for the part about Gasol. Never understood what your problem is with the guy?



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Posted September 03, 2013 - 05:03 AM

Agree - except for the part about Gasol. Never understood what your problem is with the guy?

 

You been absent from basketball the last few seasons? I never understood people that keep defending the guy...reminds me of those tanking people who actually want us to suck on purpose.


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Posted September 03, 2013 - 06:06 AM

Bad comparison.  Not sure why people keep defending Pau either.  He's chumped out under every situation we needed him after the 2010 Finals.  Tanking last for a season but keeping Pau can have lasting issues.  We actually missed out on quality by keeping him now we are stuck.

You been absent from basketball the last few seasons? I never understood people that keep defending the guy...reminds me of those tanking people who actually want us to suck on purpose.


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Posted September 03, 2013 - 11:27 AM

I agree when I say letting him go is limiting his role in some way.  Much harder than it sounds but I have a feeling in Kobe's mind he still thinks he's 28 and come be the focal point of a championship team.  If Kobe is our best and most effective player in 2014 and beyond we aren't even going to sniff the Finals again.

u are just far too focused on his age.

 

 

MJ wasnt the focal at 36?



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Posted September 03, 2013 - 11:49 AM

Are you really going to sit here and compare MJ to Kobe? Considering MJ was the better player and didnt even play championship ball past 35? I'll entertain you though

 

1.  MJ was better than Kobe

2.  MJ was working on less minutes physically that point and wasnt coming back from an achilles rupture (funny how minor guys are trying to make this injury)

3.  Scottie at the time was an elite basketball player...the Lakers don't even have a top 10 player on the roster at this point and is a team full of journeymen

4.  The Bulls at the time had Phil, the best rebounder and an elite post defender in Rodman, and the best all around player in the NBA at the time in Scottie

5.  MJ as he got older had no issue trusting his teammates.  Kobe hasn't learned when to pick his spots, maybe the injury will teach him this. 

 

As far as the trust thing.  Everyone that has spent any significant time with Kobe says this is an issue of his.  Most haters will just say he's a ball hog.  Metta spoke to it, Pau has and above all Phil did.  The older and less capable he becomes the more it shows.  Those games we loved where he balled out against Portland and Toronto.  Where were they when we played the Heat? OKC.

 

Nothing wrong with admitting Kobe isnt the guy he used to be or that he cant be our best guy to win it all in a Lebron, KD and soon to be RW/Rose or Kyrie world. 

u are just far too focused on his age.

 

 

MJ wasnt the focal at 36?


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Posted September 03, 2013 - 02:07 PM

Are you really going to sit here and compare MJ to Kobe? Considering MJ was the better player and didnt even play championship ball past 35? I'll entertain you though

 

1.  MJ was better than Kobe

2.  MJ was working on less minutes physically that point and wasnt coming back from an achilles rupture (funny how minor guys are trying to make this injury)

3.  Scottie at the time was an elite basketball player...the Lakers don't even have a top 10 player on the roster at this point and is a team full of journeymen

4.  The Bulls at the time had Phil, the best rebounder and an elite post defender in Rodman, and the best all around player in the NBA at the time in Scottie

5.  MJ as he got older had no issue trusting his teammates.  Kobe hasn't learned when to pick his spots, maybe the injury will teach him this. 

 

As far as the trust thing.  Everyone that has spent any significant time with Kobe says this is an issue of his.  Most haters will just say he's a ball hog.  Metta spoke to it, Pau has and above all Phil did.  The older and less capable he becomes the more it shows.  Those games we loved where he balled out against Portland and Toronto.  Where were they when we played the Heat? OKC.

 

Nothing wrong with admitting Kobe isnt the guy he used to be or that he cant be our best guy to win it all in a Lebron, KD and soon to be RW/Rose or Kyrie world. 

He isn't the guy he used to be....I agree. However, if he comes back and plays around the same level he did last year then he could be the best guy on a contender team but sadly the Lakers are not contending.

 

A player putting up 27/5/6 can easily be the the primary option on a championship team.

 

Where was he against OKC? ....he was putting up about the same numbers he was averaging. Through the 4 games the played, he averaged 26/4/6 on 45% shooting. He came to play ...his teammates not so much.

 

You forget this game when Kobe picked the Thunder apart

 

 

 

He put pretty good numbers against the heat too ....although his shooting went down a little. 25/5/6 on 43%.

 

If Kobe comes back at the same level as last year...he could easily be the main option of a contending team.


Edited by LakeShow805, September 03, 2013 - 02:22 PM.


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Posted September 03, 2013 - 04:45 PM

Its not a question if Kobe can put up great averages.  We all know that lol.  The question is in the little things.  Lets just say you are right, Kobe comes back just like last year then what?  We still have a 40 yr old PG and a C in Gasol that has gotten considerably worse and its not just because of Bynum/D12 or MDA.  Plus the game has changed.  The better teams in the NBA are heavy into pick and roll and we dont have 1 guy outside of maybe Hill that can even somewhat defend in Pick n Roll sets. 

 

We could score points all day but we are going to get ran off of the floor.  Unless we have a huge roster turnover with 1-2 elite guys to play with Kobe its not looking good.  As I've said before, the sooner they pull the plug the better for the future and the chance for LA to compete for 17 again.  Right now its mortgage the next 2-3 years trying to appease Kobe and help him win #6 or rebuild after this season on a new path and have something going in the next 2-3 seasons.

 

We are out of 3 draft picks til 2019.  The new CBA is the Lakers biggest roadblock as well.  Saying we don't rebuild we reload doesnt apply when both your stars are on the brink of retirement.  When Shaq got the boot Kobe was 25 not 35.


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Posted September 03, 2013 - 06:02 PM

Are you still advocating that [expletive] move of tanking?


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Posted September 04, 2013 - 08:35 AM

Its not a question if Kobe can put up great averages.  We all know that lol.  The question is in the little things.  Lets just say you are right, Kobe comes back just like last year then what?  We still have a 40 yr old PG and a C in Gasol that has gotten considerably worse and its not just because of Bynum/D12 or MDA.  Plus the game has changed.  The better teams in the NBA are heavy into pick and roll and we dont have 1 guy outside of maybe Hill that can even somewhat defend in Pick n Roll sets. 

 

We could score points all day but we are going to get ran off of the floor.  Unless we have a huge roster turnover with 1-2 elite guys to play with Kobe its not looking good.  As I've said before, the sooner they pull the plug the better for the future and the chance for LA to compete for 17 again.  Right now its mortgage the next 2-3 years trying to appease Kobe and help him win #6 or rebuild after this season on a new path and have something going in the next 2-3 seasons.

 

We are out of 3 draft picks til 2019.  The new CBA is the Lakers biggest roadblock as well.  Saying we don't rebuild we reload doesnt apply when both your stars are on the brink of retirement.  When Shaq got the boot Kobe was 25 not 35.

What little things?

 

But everything else I agree, this team is not a contender. But it doesn't change the fact that Kobe could still be the primary option of contending team.



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Posted September 10, 2013 - 01:47 AM

Focus 2014 on adding Melo and re-signing Kobe and all of the role players that pan out this year and show they belong and turn out to be gems. 

Then in 2015 focus on adding Rondo to the mix cause Nash by that point's contract will have ended and we'll still have money left over that we didn't spend in 2014.

If I had my way the 2015 Lakers team would be as follows

In the 2014 off-season we have enough money for two max contracts and an extra 19 million to play with.

IT wouldn't be hard to resign our role players, Kobe, Gasol and having enough to add Melo while still having a lot left over.

That can be put to use in 2015 when Nash's contract ends(freeing up even more money) and Rondo becomes a free agent from a tanking Celtics team(if they don't land Wiggins).  And that will likely be Kobe's final year(2015-2016 season) 

You got Rondo, Kobe, Melo and the role players that pan out from this year(Gasol too if you can get him back for cheap) and we're contending that year no question long as everyone remains HEALTHY!! 


So basically my plan is, re-sign the role players that pan out after this season, bring back Kobe and Gasol, spend to get Melo.

In 2015 go after Rondo and whomever else is willing.(Love is also a possibility)


Edited by Majesty, September 10, 2013 - 01:49 AM.

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Posted September 10, 2013 - 05:42 AM

yeh, but what's your plan for a head coach? And we can't keep Gasol!


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Posted September 10, 2013 - 06:48 AM

You cant have all of those guys dude, especially via free agency.  If you plan on resigning Kobe and Gasol and then going after Melo in 2014 how do you clear out cap for 2015 to sign the likes of Rondo and/or Love?  You never think the numbers through or how much has to go into actually building a team.  You think Melo is going to sign in LA on the strength of waiting a whole new year to get Rondo?

 

Kobe (8-12M), Gasol (8-10), and Melo (22M), thats roughly 40-45M in salary for 3 guys at that point.  Nash will be stretched at 3M a year and then you have rookie contract guarantees that will be say 1-2M.  So now you are working with close to 48-50M in salary.  Unless the Lakers are going to go through a 2nd year of 1 year guys and those one year guys would have to include Kobe and Gasol you have no salary room left to sign a Rondo or Love in 2015.

 

Its really 3 options. 1) Bring back Kobe/Pau with a one year guys in 2014 and go for Love and Rondo in 2015  2) Sign Melo and bring back Kobe but no Pau but then the 2014 team will probably be trash which Melo isnt going to move for just Kobe.  3) Sign Melo and move on from Kobe/Pau and splash for Rondo and Love in 2015 and hope to win with a core of Love/Melo/Rondo.

 

It isnt possible for them to pull off getting all 5 of those guys unless Kobe and Pau play for vet minimums which isnt going to happen.  What keeps getting overlooked is how are Rondo and Melo or even Love going to perceive the chances of winning with what will be a 36 year old Kobe and 34 year old Pau that at that point wouldnt have won a Finals in 5 years and the possibility that MDA is still the coach.  A lot of factors will have to line up for this go well.  Players arent lined up to play for MDA and if guys think Kobe/Pau wont be elite they arent jumping ship from an equal or better situation JUST to be a Laker. 

Focus 2014 on adding Melo and re-signing Kobe and all of the role players that pan out this year and show they belong and turn out to be gems. 

Then in 2015 focus on adding Rondo to the mix cause Nash by that point's contract will have ended and we'll still have money left over that we didn't spend in 2014.

If I had my way the 2015 Lakers team would be as follows

In the 2014 off-season we have enough money for two max contracts and an extra 19 million to play with.

IT wouldn't be hard to resign our role players, Kobe, Gasol and having enough to add Melo while still having a lot left over.

That can be put to use in 2015 when Nash's contract ends(freeing up even more money) and Rondo becomes a free agent from a tanking Celtics team(if they don't land Wiggins).  And that will likely be Kobe's final year(2015-2016 season) 

You got Rondo, Kobe, Melo and the role players that pan out from this year(Gasol too if you can get him back for cheap) and we're contending that year no question long as everyone remains HEALTHY!! 


So basically my plan is, re-sign the role players that pan out after this season, bring back Kobe and Gasol, spend to get Melo.

In 2015 go after Rondo and whomever else is willing.(Love is also a possibility)


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Posted September 10, 2013 - 07:20 AM

If you really want to continue down the Kobe/Pau core path then the best course of action is depth and signing guys that are great role players not an overrated star like Melo.  Go after Varajao, Deng, Lowry, Patrick Patterson...good players


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Posted September 10, 2013 - 10:17 AM

Do you really think we'd give Gasol a 10 million dollar contract?

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Posted September 10, 2013 - 04:37 PM

Rather than go after a bunch of bleh players

 

 

i much rather ride out Kobe's last years, ASSUMING WE CAN'T GET LEBRON OR MELO, is old guys like Dirk,Nash Gasol, Marion

 

and like Hill,Nick Young,Farmar,Wes Johnson,and Kaman/mystery defender from the PF/C



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Posted September 10, 2013 - 05:30 PM

I'm not a Gasol fan but many of you will be surprised how different he'll be if/when he plays center




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