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Posted August 21, 2013 - 07:39 PM

I'm really with Skip on this one and not just cause I'm a Laker fan. I just don't think the Hack-a-Dwight factor among other things is being considered & talked about enough. As long as Dwight's in at the end of a ball game in critical minutes, those free throws will almost always bite him in the ass.

Jemele Hill, Michael Smith and Skip Bayless discuss their expectations for Dwight Howard next season.


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Posted August 21, 2013 - 08:03 PM

I can't wait to see that Asik and Dwight front court!

 

Defensively its great, but on the other hand you have to score baskets as well.

 

Pick your poison hack a asik or hack a dwight



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Posted August 21, 2013 - 08:05 PM

Pick your poison hack a asik or hack a dwight

Nice. I forgot how bad a free throw shooter Asik is as well, although not as bad as Dwight.


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Posted August 21, 2013 - 08:34 PM

Nice. I forgot how bad a free throw shooter Asik is as well, although not as bad as Dwight.

Asik's free throws lost the series for Chicago against Philly 2 years ago haha. Love it.



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Posted August 22, 2013 - 04:48 AM

If Houston runs their offense correctly, they won't need to worry about those free throws at the end of the game, and they'll be able to pull Dwight the same way the Lakers used to pull Shaq. That's where Harden and Parsons come into play the most.

Dwight led an Orlando team to the NBA Finals in 2009. They didn't have a problem with his free throw shooting, obviously. Howard just ran into a very determined Pau Gasol, and Orlando had absolutely no answer for Kobe (no one did).

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Posted August 22, 2013 - 05:43 AM

I hate Dwight Howard so much I'd rather see Miami Threepeat than see Dwight even sniff the NBA Finals ever again

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Posted August 22, 2013 - 06:39 AM

Im with you mr terrific

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Posted August 22, 2013 - 09:18 AM

Agree with Jemele Hill Dwight will return to his allstar status, but as a Lakersfan I hope Rockets see many failures.



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Posted August 22, 2013 - 10:12 AM

Agree with Jemele Hill Dwight will return to his allstar status, but as a Lakersfan I hope Rockets see many failures.

no.....hes a superstar.


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Posted August 22, 2013 - 11:44 AM

If Houston runs their offense correctly, they won't need to worry about those free throws at the end of the game, and they'll be able to pull Dwight the same way the Lakers used to pull Shaq. That's where Harden and Parsons come into play the most.

Dwight led an Orlando team to the NBA Finals in 2009. They didn't have a problem with his free throw shooting, obviously. Howard just ran into a very determined Pau Gasol, and Orlando had absolutely no answer for Kobe (no one did).



It will work because Dwight will actually be willing to run pick and roll there as well instead of intentionally refusing to do so for his own agenda but if they do try to start Asik with him there could be problems.

 


Edited by Majesty, August 22, 2013 - 01:08 PM.

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Posted August 22, 2013 - 12:15 PM

If Houston runs their offense correctly, they won't need to worry about those free throws at the end of the game, and they'll be able to pull Dwight the same way the Lakers used to pull Shaq. That's where Harden and Parsons come into play the most.

Dwight led an Orlando team to the NBA Finals in 2009. They didn't have a problem with his free throw shooting, obviously. Howard just ran into a very determined Pau Gasol, and Orlando had absolutely no answer for Kobe (no one did).

You are right that they got there without any issues with his free throw shooting, but it did cost Orlando the chance to go back home with a 1-1 series in 2009. 



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Posted August 22, 2013 - 01:08 PM

Also to add to what I said above

Dwight is working with Hakeem judiciously now so obviously he's doing everything in his power to get away from the pick and roll game and Hakeem says he's still "very raw" and if he's still "raw" after even working with Hakeem those years ago and still doesn't get it then he may be hindering himself.

He's leaving us for virtually the same style the difference is he's actually going to be willing to run pick and roll there and not have to worry about Kobe digging into him if he screws up on plays or isn't playing with effort.  He doesn't expect it from Harden or Lin and doesn't see them as better leaders then himself so they aren't going to intimidate him the way Kobe did nor are they going to cherish winning as much and they'll probably enjoy "having fun" with Dwight as opposed to buckling down.

At the end of the day it was Dwight's missed free throws that allowed our comeback in game 4 to happen which essentially buried the Magic.  

So it wasn't needed to get them there, but it was needed if they were going to win there, and Dwight hasn't become a better player since then.  It will come down to Harden more than it will come down to Dwight, the question is if Dwight is going to accept being second fiddle as he wants to be the man with a chance of taking the team from Harden.


If they don't win in the next 2 years, expect that 3rd year to be as drama filled more so than ours is. 

And as of right now I don't see them winning it next year, or the year after that or the year after that, nor do I see him taking the team away from Harden.

So.... he's either gonna accept the fact that he doesn't have it in him to be "the man" on a team to lead them to a championship and that ship has sailed.   Or he's going to complain that they are losing cause he isn't getting touches, or because they are playing a certain way.

The thing is Dwight is so locked into this mindset of "if they play the exact way I want them to we'll go to the finals, I've done it once I can do it again" rather than adjusting to the teammates around him.


He wanted us to play like the Orlando Magic last year and wanted Pau out of the picture.   The problem is we didn't have nearly all the shooters of the Magic and Kobe wasn't going to accept an off-ball role and Pau standing at the 3 point line which is where Dwight also wanted him(not just D'antoni) wasn't going to work.


And then essentially trying to run it with Nash, and WITH Kobe off ball, Dwight never committed to the pick and rolls which made life even harder for the one legged Nash, and then when Kobe became main ball handler the Lakers could win without Dwight getting 20 post touches and Dwight hated that as well despite the team winning...


FINALLY during the second half of the season when Pau was put in the starting lineup permanently and Dwight finally started committing to the pick and roll philosophy and we started getting wins, and when Kobe went down Dwight saw that as his opportunity to show he could run the team and played with a super amount of effort.


Then the playoffs came, and he played well against the Spurs, but he showed that he wasn't going to lead the Lakers anywhere without Kobe and he also knew he'd never play at a high enough level to take the team from Kobe, he also knew he'd have to compromise what he wanted to do in order for the team to be successful despite the fact the pick and roll in that offense played to his strengths, but he rather prove he could post up and be Shaq instead.

So now he's going to Houston where McHale is going to change the offense to everything Dwight wants it to be and made a blanket statement that if "Dwight isn't being dominant" that it's HIS fault not Dwight's...


But if the Rockets start losing and Mchale grows a set and starts forcing Dwight to HAVE to pick and roll, then we're gonna see the same unhappy Dwight we saw this year.   The problem is, he's locked in for 3 of the next 4 years so he's gonna have to deal with it. 


How he deals with it remains to be the question. 

On the Lakers, he HATED compromising what HE wanted to do, even if what he compromised to played to his strengths and the team was winning because ultimately he cared about his own agenda over the teams success.    If he wanted to keep playing pick and roll he wouldn't have gone to Houston where he thinks McHale and Hakeem are gonna make his post game unbelievable to the point that he won't have to pick and roll that much. 

But when defenders don't bite on his dream shake and force him to shoot a turnaround jumper it will be hilarious to watch.    Why would anyone bite on a post move from Dwight in the block, his goal is to get to the basket, so why would they buy his pump fakes?  Why would they buy a shimmy shake for a turnaround jumper?   Why would they buy Dwight as a threat from anywhere bu the block. 

It worked for Hakeem because he could hit a shot from 10-15 as well as the block, it works for Kobe and LeBron for the same reasons.   It would even work for Gasol for those reasons and to an extent worked for Bynum for those reasons, cause when Bynum shook he COULD go backwards effectively and did have a turnaround jumper as well as being able to score from 10-15.

Dwight can only score from one place so why would a defender buy any of his "moves" if it's only going to one destination?


That's part of the reason Hakeem calls Dwight raw.  It's not just his lack of footwork and patience in the post, it's the fact that he can't hit the shots that would actually make him a viable threat to make a defender worry about any "move" he makes. 

It's like defending a dribbler that you know has no jump shot, all you do is give them space, watch their chest and stay in front of them cause you know a pull up's never coming and they are near useless unless it's a layup so it often winds up with them having to pass cause you won't close in to force them to blow past you.

Same goes for Dwight in the post, if he even acts like he's gonna use a turnaround, just stand there and wait for him to go left or right, cause he isn't going backwards for a turnaround, if he does it's a missed shot more than likely.  Any defensively competent Center isn't gonna buy that.   The problem is there isn't many. 

Perhaps Lopez and Hibbert and McGee though McGee is still raw in his own right. 


Edited by Majesty, August 22, 2013 - 01:36 PM.

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Posted August 22, 2013 - 02:35 PM

but if they do try to start Asik with him there could be problems.

Well, Asik isn't a four, so they'll need to trade him by the deadline. It makes little to no sense having two starting centers, when one is a superstar you're building your team around. Houston knows it. Asik knows it (which is why he let loose of his frustrations). Something will have to be done.
 

You are right that they got there without any issues with his free throw shooting, but it did cost Orlando the chance to go back home with a 1-1 series in 2009.

Howard shot 7-9 from the line in that Game 2 (Game 1 was a 25-point blowout), and both of those misses were in the 1st quarter of the game. Dwight's turnovers (7) and a combo of Rafer and Redick's garbage play, is what lost them that game.




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