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ESPN Numbers Never Lie: Michael Jordan Vs. Kobe - Would Six Rings Put Kobe On Jordan's Level?


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Posted August 20, 2013 - 10:08 PM

NNL's Michael Smith and Jemele Hill discuss whether six NBA championships would put Kobe Bryant on the same level as Michael Jordan and where LeBron fits into the equation.


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Posted August 20, 2013 - 10:10 PM

I agree with him surprisingly 



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Posted August 20, 2013 - 10:16 PM

6 rings won't but 6 FMVP will.



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Posted August 20, 2013 - 10:21 PM

6 rings won't but 6 FMVP will.

6 rings won't but 6 FMVP will.

4 more finals mvps?

That would mean 9 rings min

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Posted August 20, 2013 - 10:27 PM

4 more finals mvps?

That would mean 9 rings min

 

Yep. Which is probably hard to achieve at this point of kobe's career. So basically Kobe can never catch Jordan.



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Posted August 20, 2013 - 10:28 PM

Yep. Which is probably hard to achieve at this point of kobe's career. So basically Kobe can never catch Jordan.

 

Yep. Which is probably hard to achieve at this point of kobe's career. So basically Kobe can never catch Jordan.

81 points man....

 

81 points...



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Posted August 20, 2013 - 10:28 PM

Agree with Michael Smith, Kobe not better than Jordan but he is comparable to Jordan to me unlike Lebron.



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Posted August 20, 2013 - 10:34 PM

The only thing Kobe is definitively greater at Jordan and anyone for that matter in the history of the game is in being the most offensively skilled player of all-time. No other player has ever matched the full offensive arsenal he's shown us throughout his long illustrious career.


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Posted August 20, 2013 - 10:39 PM

81 points man....

 

81 points...

 

A lot of people will probably disagree but I honestly feel that Jordan's 69 points, 18 rebs, and 6 ast. is better than Kobe's 81points, 6 rebs, and 2 ast.



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Posted August 20, 2013 - 10:41 PM

^ Yeah, but points are sexier at the end of the day although 69 is obviously sexy in itself.


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Posted August 20, 2013 - 10:41 PM

All the old cats cant get off jordan .so it will never be settled

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Posted August 20, 2013 - 10:44 PM

I don't get why everyone wants to measure players on who is better, especially when we're talking about two players from two different eras. Do I think Jordan was better than Kobe? Yes. But who cares? Let Jordan be Jordan and let Kobe be Kobe.



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Posted August 21, 2013 - 12:29 AM


All the old cats cant get off jordan .so it will never be settled



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Posted August 21, 2013 - 01:16 AM

The injury and this roaster would make the comparison slightly closer if he wins now rather than if he won last year for example.

 

 

That doesnt mean they are on the exact same boat, 6fmvp > 3fmvp.



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Posted August 21, 2013 - 01:59 AM

Michael's definitely got the upper hand on Kobe in personal accolades, coming into the league as the guy with a polished skillset out of college. However, I think Kobe is to the 2000's what Jordan was to the 90's. I've personally given up on the debate, because it seems fruitless after a certain point. I think Kobe's achieved a level of greatness that we as fans can definitely appreciate and look back at his game in awe, just as we all do with Jordan.

 

I don't think there will be another Jordan. However, I also don't think there will be another Kobe. 


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Posted August 21, 2013 - 03:29 AM

Smith is right. There's nothing Kobe can do to pass MJ in my opinion. That's not a knock on Kobe either, he's still the best player of his generation. Just so happens the previous generation had a better version.

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Posted August 21, 2013 - 04:09 AM

This...

Smith is right. There's nothing Kobe can do to pass MJ in my opinion. That's not a knock on Kobe either, he's still the best player of his generation. Just so happens the previous generation had a better version.


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Posted August 21, 2013 - 08:29 AM

Kobe been better than MJ since beginning = Highschool , Teen yrs in NBA, MId 20s in NBA, 30yrs old, & Now in mid 30s!


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Posted August 21, 2013 - 09:57 AM

I grew up with kobe so im rolling with my dawg

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Posted August 21, 2013 - 10:59 AM

First thing that should be mentioned is this: the show is ridiculous. As you see, they used Jordan and Kobe's scoring average to settle the debate.

Allen Iverson: 26.7 PPG over the course of his career
Kobe Bryant: 25.5 PPG

Will they argue that Allen Iverson is the greater player? Nope. They'll say that 5 > 0 (rings).

Supposedly, they used the numbers most relevant to the discussion. Since this show is about as basic as it gets, they should have simply concluded that Kobe can EQUAL Jordan, since 6 = 6.

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Now, the truth is, Kobe will never reach Mike. There's a major difference in the defense played against them, but the popular idea will be that Jordan had it tougher (he didn't)...and when you look at personal achievements and FG%, Jordan trumps Kobe. Those will win over the masses, no matter the ring count (unless it's some ridiculous amount, but look at Bill Russell).

People see Shaq, and they don't realize that Pippen, Rodman, Grant, Kukoc, and the many shooters that Jordan had on his side combine to make up for a big man such as O'Neal (and I know Rodman and Grant didn't play together, I'm just saying...Pip/Grant, or Pip/Rodman, will work). Other things come into play as well...some favoring Mike, some Kobe, such as the retirement that prevented MJ from landing eight-consecutive titles (he would have done it, Houston would have lost to the Bulls both seasons).

Jordan and Kobe are the two greatest players to ever play the game, though, when it comes down to their overall production/game. Take away the rings, take away the MVPs, other media awards, etc...and right now, you have Jordan, Kobe, Bird, and LeBron...in that order. I could probably make an argument for LeBron over Bird, sadly.




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