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#61 Majesty

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Posted August 31, 2013 - 08:10 PM

First off, we don't even know how kobe will be once he return from his injury. I don't even think this team is capable of making the playoffs. Who's gonna the anchor the defense? We lost dwight and metta who are the best defender in our team last year. Kobe is not the elite defender he use to be. Then you also have Nash who is probably one of the worst defender in NBA. Do you really expect Gasol and Kaman to anchor the defense? Both soft and sucks at playing Defense. You add nash's defense to that and you get a dunk contest from the other team. We are not even including our great coach who HATES the word DEFENSE.

 

Imagine if we make it to the playoffs and we get match up against OKC. Who's gonna stop Durant and Westbrook? You expect nash to cover Westbrook? What about Durant? we don't have metta anymore. Once westbrook drives to the basketball after beating Nash who do you depend on stopping him? Gasol?

 

But think what ever helps you sleep at night. 



yeah Kobe is so far ahead of schedule he's doing 40 foot dives in shoes 2 months before training camp starts and could likely be back in training camp or pre-season considering where he's at now.

Wonder when the "We don't know how Kobe is gonna return" talks is gonna cease cause it's getting weaker and weaker as time goes on.

Does he have to do a 360 dunk in practice first?

Or will the talks become "It's not in a game. We still don't know how healthy Kobe is." 

You're starting to sound like ESPN that said Dwight would be back by January when he was already working out with the team in October :bounce:

Larry Bird came back from two achillies injuries by the way and still averaged 20/8/6

So If Kobe is already running and doing something dangerous like a 40 foot dive FEET FIRST when is this whole "well we don't know how Kobe will come back" talk gonna cease?

Seems like your argument is full of hate and you're grasping at whatever you can to not have faith at all in this team  and yet are treating anyone that does like they are delusional.


Tell you what, we'll keep watching the Lakers dedicate themselves in camp with our new defensive coach that was hired by a guy who HATES defense and watch Kobe doing 40 foot dives feet first and seeing progress, while you sit on the sidelines questioning dedication  and whether Kobe is gonna come back healthy refusing to see what's right in front of your eyes :) 

Whatever helps you sleep at night :)


Edited by Majesty, August 31, 2013 - 08:12 PM.

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Posted August 31, 2013 - 08:11 PM

MDA could have Prime Payton at PG, Prime MJ at SG, Prime Pippen at SF, Prime KG at PF, and Prime Russell at C and still give up 120+ pts a game

 

Lol. Then imagine how many points the lakers will give up with Gasol and Nash being in the same team.



#63 Majesty

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Posted August 31, 2013 - 08:17 PM

Lol. Then imagine how many points the lakers will give up with Gasol and Nash being in the same team.



If we have them defending 99.9 percent of the time on iso's then a lot. 

Thing is we got Rambis to prevent those things from happening.  We aren't gonna be running iso.   Rambis is gonna prepare for teams to try to attack Nash and or Pau, he has said such.

Part of being a good defensive team is knowing where your weaknesses are and preparing for an opposing team to attack them, Rambis has said as such and already has a plan for it.

If you think we're gonna be leaving Nash or Gasol out on an island like we did last year with Rambis as our defensive coordinator (NOT HEAD COACH) you're sorely mistaken.    That's the very reason we got Rambis. 

You know Rambis?  The guy that everyone was praising last year saying how much he "got it" when he talked about the Lakers problems but then the minute the Lakers sign him everybody has an excuse as to why he won't help at all ;) 

But when Rambis said that he expects teams to attack those weaknesses and being ready for them I'm sure no one was listening, they just assume we're gonna leave Nash on an island by himself like last year eventhough Rambis cited this as the number one problem in our defense last year(iso defense and no rotational understanding along with spacing errors on offense which lead to being out of position on defense). 

Now if Rambis wasn't our defensive coordinator and was saying this people'd be saying "WHY DIDN'T D'ANTONI HIRE THIS GUY!! HE FREAKING GETS IT!! D'ANTONI IS SO FREAKING STUPID!!  CAN HE BE OUR COACH!?!?!" 

But Rambis got hired and suddenly "RAMBIS CAN'T COACH! He did this in minnesotta!  He can't help us! it's easy to talk about it!!"


Yep...


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Posted August 31, 2013 - 08:44 PM

Jason Terry and JJ Barea and Jason Kidd defended the perimeter well enough to win a title against the Heat.

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Posted August 31, 2013 - 09:21 PM

Jason Terry and JJ Barea and Jason Kidd defended the perimeter well enough to win a title against the Heat.

They also had Marion and a legit defensive anchor in Tyson Chandler. 

 

Kobe is a good defender when he wants to and Wes is above average....thats it. 



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Posted September 01, 2013 - 11:10 AM

They also had Marion and a legit defensive anchor in Tyson Chandler.

Kobe is a good defender when he wants to and Wes is above average....thats it.


Lets are can Hill take a step closet to that. Plus 2 7 footers, so u never know. But I wish we had a Kenyon type

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Posted September 02, 2013 - 11:07 AM

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Posted September 02, 2013 - 11:40 AM

Interesting stats on Nick Young last year
 

Synergy Sports tells us Young converted 46.9 percent of his shots in isolation situations in 2012-13

 

Nick Young also shot a staggering 78.3 percent on his patented step back jumper.

If you think that is a fluke he's shot 71% on his step backs for the past 2 years prior.

 

Nick young also shot 80% on pull up jumpers

**Quoters note**
All of that is amazing, but where Young needs to improve is on his shots off pick and rolls and in the halfcourt, this is where he struggled last year and put up ill advised shots and why his shot percentage suffered as he shot 35.7 percent off pick and rolls.   But shots he was able to take in rhythm and unforced were deadly.  The Lakers will need much more from him in that aspect.

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Posted September 02, 2013 - 12:25 PM

Nick Young and Jordan Farmar throwing down alley oops(Nick Young with the 360 one)  at the Lakers practice facility
 

 


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I remember Kobe did that in practice. But didn't get it done against the Mavs in '01 when he tried that 360 alley oop.


Edited by LALakersFan4Life, September 02, 2013 - 12:26 PM.


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Posted September 02, 2013 - 12:34 PM

I remember Kobe did that in practice. But didn't get it done against the Mavs in '01 when he tried that 360 alley oop.


No he saved it for the 76ers ;)  We remember that pass if for nothing more than the look on Shaw's face before the alley oop ;)


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Posted September 02, 2013 - 01:16 PM

Majesty,  those sliced and diced stats are nice, but the bottom line is NY is a lifetime 43% volume shooter in the league.  43%.  All the while, he dishes out ,,, ONE assist per game on average.  And plays, put politely, subpar defense.  Shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, that is his mentality.  Maybe Kobe can reel him in, maybe.  

 

OK, one fancy stat.  NY's PER is 13.3, well below league average and ranks him 33rd amongst just SG's.  Overall ranking  PER puts him 194 overall, just ahead of Dante Cunningham and just behind Jeff Adrien (who?).  

 

He's been in the league 7 years now, the body of work speaks for itself.



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Posted September 02, 2013 - 06:16 PM

Majesty,  those sliced and diced stats are nice, but the bottom line is NY is a lifetime 43% volume shooter in the league.  43%.  All the while, he dishes out ,,, ONE assist per game on average.  And plays, put politely, subpar defense.  Shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, that is his mentality.  Maybe Kobe can reel him in, maybe.  

 

OK, one fancy stat.  NY's PER is 13.3, well below league average and ranks him 33rd amongst just SG's.  Overall ranking  PER puts him 194 overall, just ahead of Dante Cunningham and just behind Jeff Adrien (who?).  

 

He's been in the league 7 years now, the body of work speaks for itself.



Joe Johnson was in the league 6 years as a 40% volume shooter that never averaged up to 10 points a game and his volume of work spoke for itself supposedly, then he went to Phoenix and shot 47% from three and 46% from the field in their system. 

Just an fyi about the "set in stone" mentality people seem to have as if a system can't bring the best out of someone.


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Posted September 02, 2013 - 06:56 PM



Joe Johnson was in the league 6 years as a 40% volume shooter that never averaged up to 10 points a game and his volume of work spoke for itself supposedly, then he went to Phoenix and shot 47% from three and 46% from the field in their system. 

Just an fyi about the "set in stone" mentality people seem to have as if a system can't bring the best out of someone.

Are we thinking of the same Joe Johnson?  The one that was drafted by Boston, then went to Phx, then the Hawks and is now with the Nets?  If so, he was not in the league 6 years before he went to Phx.  And he shot 47/46 ONE year in Phx only.

 

Here are his stats from the MDA "system":

2001  42% FG  33% 3PT

2002  39%        35%

2003  43%        30%

2004  46%        47%

 

Other than that one good year in Phx, he has been ok I guess but way overpaid in my view.  My subjective view is that he is a more selective shot taker than NY, but who knows.

 

He is a lifetime 44% volume shooter ... uh oh ....



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Posted September 02, 2013 - 09:53 PM

Are we thinking of the same Joe Johnson?  The one that was drafted by Boston, then went to Phx, then the Hawks and is now with the Nets?  If so, he was not in the league 6 years before he went to Phx.  And he shot 47/46 ONE year in Phx only.

 

Here are his stats from the MDA "system":

2001  42% FG  33% 3PT

2002  39%        35%

2003  43%        30%

2004  46%        47%

 

Other than that one good year in Phx, he has been ok I guess but way overpaid in my view.  My subjective view is that he is a more selective shot taker than NY, but who knows.

 

He is a lifetime 44% volume shooter ... uh oh ....


You do know that D'antoni wasn't coaching Phoenix till the mid-end of the 2003 season when they fired Frank Johnson right?  

He got a training camp as well as Steve Nash and 2004 was the year he was able to implement his stuff as well as with Johnson, and THAT is when Johnson had his breakout year of 46% from the field and 47% from three.

After that year the Suns stupidly traded him.

Point is that system brought the absolute best out of him because it played to his strengths in their best ways when he seemed like a player "set in stone" he came into the league until he got the right system.  

So the system is important to what a player can do well in and it's not as set in stone if they find the proper system.


That is the point I'm making.   In this system Nick Young can excel and it is probably the system that takes advantages of his strengths the most, that is why they are looking up film on Joe Johnson when drawing up how they want to use Nick Young.


Edited by Majesty, September 02, 2013 - 09:57 PM.

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Posted September 03, 2013 - 08:50 AM

Plus Malone got injured for what it seemed like at the time for 1st time in his career & kept him out of the Finals.

because he tried to [expletive] kobes wife. lol


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Posted September 03, 2013 - 02:43 PM

Missed that, good point.  i guess the MDA system really does make a difference for these types of guys.  It's just that I hate the sytem.


You do know that D'antoni wasn't coaching Phoenix till the mid-end of the 2003 season when they fired Frank Johnson right?  

He got a training camp as well as Steve Nash and 2004 was the year he was able to implement his stuff as well as with Johnson, and THAT is when Johnson had his breakout year of 46% from the field and 47% from three.

After that year the Suns stupidly traded him.

Point is that system brought the absolute best out of him because it played to his strengths in their best ways when he seemed like a player "set in stone" he came into the league until he got the right system.  

So the system is important to what a player can do well in and it's not as set in stone if they find the proper system.


That is the point I'm making.   In this system Nick Young can excel and it is probably the system that takes advantages of his strengths the most, that is why they are looking up film on Joe Johnson when drawing up how they want to use Nick Young.






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