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Posted August 13, 2013 - 06:52 PM

Even if he were, being an efficient mid-range shooter is good for PF/Cs in the game today.  Saying it's a bad idea because we have D'Antoni as our coach is myopic and inaccurate.  

 

A lot of people have confused the term "stretch 4" with "3pt shooting BIG".  Not the same.  A stretch 4 literally "stretches" the interior defense by forcing the help defense away from the post, giving a legit back-to-the-basket player room to operate.  If he can't hit the mid-range J, the defense can pack it in...not good for interior spacing or ball movement.

 

I don't have a problem with Hill adding this skillset to his game.



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Posted August 13, 2013 - 07:14 PM

Even if he were, being an efficient mid-range shooter is good for PF/Cs in the game today.  Saying it's a bad idea because we have D'Antoni as our coach is myopic and inaccurate.  

 

A lot of people have confused the term "stretch 4" with "3pt shooting BIG".  Not the same.  A stretch 4 literally "stretches" the interior defense by forcing the help defense away from the post, giving a legit back-to-the-basket player room to operate.  If he can't hit the mid-range J, the defense can pack it in...not good for interior spacing or ball movement.

 

I don't have a problem with Hill adding this skillset to his game.



Seriously if the article name was

"D'antoni urges Hill to work on his jump shot in the off-season"  Would people make such a big deal?   They see stretch 4 and they think OMG!! HILL IS GONNA TAKE 10 THREES A GAME NOOO!!!


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Posted August 13, 2013 - 07:22 PM

No. He's never been a shooter dating back all the way to his time in Arizona. He's an energy player who puts in work by crashing boards and giving effort on the defensively. That's his game, that's his niche in the NBA.

 

Of course D'Antoni would want him to work on the aspect of the game that isn't relevant to this team. It's not a bad idea because D'Antoni suggested it, it's a bad idea because it's a bad idea. We don't need another shooter on the floor. We need a guy that can crash the boards for us relentlessly with the hundreds of bricks we'll be putting up from beyond the arc this year. The key to winning games is rebounding and defense. Taking our best offensive rebounder out of the paint to shoot jumpers is a terrible idea.



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Posted August 13, 2013 - 07:49 PM

No. He's never been a shooter dating back all the way to his time in Arizona. He's an energy player who puts in work by crashing boards and giving effort on the defensively. That's his game, that's his niche in the NBA.

 

 

You're right.  But it was Hill's own admission that he wanted to work on his midrange game.  He had been talking about that since the beginning of last season when Mike Brown was our coach.

So you can't pin him wanting to work on his midrange game on D'antoni.  Hill already had been talking about it and as far back as the Warriors game in the pre-season he had been working on it.  But he got hurt so he didn't have the chance to work on it like he'd want.

Even so this year even Hill was shooting more from midrange than usual and was trying to get down pull jump jump shots as well as trying to get it consistent from there.


That's not a product of D'antoni, it's something Hill himself wanted and has been working on unless you want to blame Mike Brown too cause that's about as far back as Hill had been working on it.

So if you want to blame someone for wanting Hill to develop a mid range shot then blame Hill because he's the one who wants to expand his game and become more than just a "hustle" guy.   He isn't a post player and he feels himself that getting down a mid range shot opens him up for open opportunities.   Like he said, HE himself feels that there is no point in him developing a post game because he feels confident enough in his rebounding that he's gonna still snag down rebounds and put backs, but wants to add the mid range jumper to his game as he feels it's more important than a post game for a player like him.

What's also behind it is the fact that if he isn't a mid range threat, then other teams will do what the Spurs did and overload the paint on Gasol, the only guy open is gonna be Hill from mid, if Hill can't make that shot, D'antoni is gonna pull him and put in Kaman.   This is not just because Hill WANTS to work on it, but it's there because he wants to be in a lineup where he'll gel with either Gasol, or Kaman.  He has said this as well.

Those are his words, and as far back as the beginning of the pre-season last year when he was jacking up mid range shots and everyone on this forum was going WTH!?!?  


It's not a product of D'antoni, it's a product of Jordan Hill wanting to expand his game.

Jordan Hill always stands at the mid range when the Lakers are running a play and only cuts to the lane when there is an opening.  He doesn't camp in the paint waiting for shots to go up so he can rebound, he waits outside the paint and the moment a shot looks like it's gonna go up he runs in the paint for the rebound, but he doesn't crowd the paint while waiting to rebounds he stands at mid range which is pretty much where he'd get his shots.

So him developing a mid range game doesn't take away from his rebounding.  The only way he misses a rebound is if he is the one that's shooting the open shot, but if it's anyone else he'll be getting rebounds like he always does by running to the lane once the shot goes up and trying to time it.

Hill is not a post player, he doesn't want to be, he's admitted this, he wants to be a hustle rebound guy with a consistent mid range jump shot.    He stands out of the paint 90% of the time anyway when Gasol or Dwight was in because he understands spacing and when to cut, and didn't crowd the paint to get his rebound, this is why he got the mid range jump shots he got last season because people played off him,  that's not gonna change just because he wants his jump shot to get better.   If anything I WANT him to make teams play for leaving him open every time.  That way if they double Gasol Hill can score from either attacking, or from hitting from mid if they are cutting off the drive.  

Hill developing a mid range shot doesn't take him out of the paint, he'll be standing where he always stands and roaming like he always does and if a shot goes up he'll run into the paint to get it and if they double Pau in the post he'll either cut or he'll wait for the pass for a mid range shot, it also makes him an option in horns.


Fact is if Hill DOESN'T develop a mid range game, then he'll be backing up Gasol and Kaman instead of playing the 4 next to them.  I don't want that to happen.   Hill developing a mid range shot is just fine with me, it doesn't move him out of the paint, he always stands there anyway, I'd rather he stand there with the ability to hit that shot if he's open for it rather than having to sit down because he can't.  

Otherwise D'antoni would have to pull Hill whenever the defense started crowding the paint cause Hill's offensive options would be gone for the most part and then Kaman would have to come in to hit from mid which is where the opening would be.   

If Hill can hit from mid, that doesn't happen.  This misconception that Hill's suddenly gonna stand there and no longer run in for rebounds just cause he gets a midrange jumper.. I don't see it.   Gasol ain't half the rebounder Hill is yet he still rips down 10 and 8 a season playing from mid and he doesn't roam or cut the way Hill does.  So I don't see Jordan being ruined by this.


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Posted August 13, 2013 - 07:52 PM

Well said, Majesty.



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Posted August 13, 2013 - 08:01 PM

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If I can rip down 10 rebounds and 8 rebounds a game for the last 2 years playing from mid.... Jordan Hill will be just fine.


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Posted August 13, 2013 - 08:20 PM

You're right.  But it was Hill's own admission that he wanted to work on his midrange game.  He had been talking about that since the beginning of last season when Mike Brown was our coach.

So you can't pin him wanting to work on his midrange game on D'antoni.  Hill already had been talking about it and as far back as the Warriors game in the pre-season he had been working on it.  But he got hurt so he didn't have the chance to work on it like he'd want.

Even so this year even Hill was shooting more from midrange than usual and was trying to get down pull jump jump shots as well as trying to get it consistent from there.


That's not a product of D'antoni, it's something Hill himself wanted and has been working on unless you want to blame Mike Brown too cause that's about as far back as Hill had been working on it.

So if you want to blame someone for wanting Hill to develop a mid range shot then blame Hill because he's the one who wants to expand his game and become more than just a "hustle" guy.   He isn't a post player and he feels himself that getting down a mid range shot opens him up for open opportunities.   Like he said, HE himself feels that there is no point in him developing a post game because he feels confident enough in his rebounding that he's gonna still snag down rebounds and put backs, but wants to add the mid range jumper to his game as he feels it's more important than a post game for a player like him.

What's also behind it is the fact that if he isn't a mid range threat, then other teams will do what the Spurs did and overload the paint on Gasol, the only guy open is gonna be Hill from mid, if Hill can't make that shot, D'antoni is gonna pull him and put in Kaman.   This is not just because Hill WANTS to work on it, but it's there because he wants to be in a lineup where he'll gel with either Gasol, or Kaman.  He has said this as well.

Those are his words, and as far back as the beginning of the pre-season last year when he was jacking up mid range shots and everyone on this forum was going WTH!?!?  


It's not a product of D'antoni, it's a product of Jordan Hill wanting to expand his game.

Jordan Hill always stands at the mid range when the Lakers are running a play and only cuts to the lane when there is an opening.  He doesn't camp in the paint waiting for shots to go up so he can rebound, he waits outside the paint and the moment a shot looks like it's gonna go up he runs in the paint for the rebound, but he doesn't crowd the paint while waiting to rebounds he stands at mid range which is pretty much where he'd get his shots.

So him developing a mid range game doesn't take away from his rebounding.  The only way he misses a rebound is if he is the one that's shooting the open shot, but if it's anyone else he'll be getting rebounds like he always does by running to the lane once the shot goes up and trying to time it.

Hill is not a post player, he doesn't want to be, he's admitted this, he wants to be a hustle rebound guy with a consistent mid range jump shot.    He stands out of the paint 90% of the time anyway when Gasol or Dwight was in because he understands spacing and when to cut, and didn't crowd the paint to get his rebound, this is why he got the mid range jump shots he got last season because people played off him,  that's not gonna change just because he wants his jump shot to get better.   If anything I WANT him to make teams play for leaving him open every time.  That way if they double Gasol Hill can score from either attacking, or from hitting from mid if they are cutting off the drive.  

Hill developing a mid range shot doesn't take him out of the paint, he'll be standing where he always stands and roaming like he always does and if a shot goes up he'll run into the paint to get it and if they double Pau in the post he'll either cut or he'll wait for the pass for a mid range shot, it also makes him an option in horns.


Fact is if Hill DOESN'T develop a mid range game, then he'll be backing up Gasol and Kaman instead of playing the 4 next to them.  I don't want that to happen.   Hill developing a mid range shot is just fine with me, it doesn't move him out of the paint, he always stands there anyway, I'd rather he stand there with the ability to hit that shot if he's open for it rather than having to sit down because he can't.  

Otherwise D'antoni would have to pull Hill whenever the defense started crowding the paint cause Hill's offensive options would be gone for the most part and then Kaman would have to come in to hit from mid which is where the opening would be.   

If Hill can hit from mid, that doesn't happen.  This misconception that Hill's suddenly gonna stand there and no longer run in for rebounds just cause he gets a midrange jumper.. I don't see it.   Gasol ain't half the rebounder Hill is yet he still rips down 10 and 8 a season playing from mid and he doesn't roam or cut the way Hill does.  So I don't see Jordan being ruined by this.

 

It does take away from his rebounding. He's farther away from the basket meaning that he can't crash the boards for us on the offensive end as effectively because he'll have to be flying in from 15 feet out rather than boxing his man out from 5 foot in. That's a huge difference for us. We don't need him to be a mid-range shooter, that's why we spent this summer picking up perimeter players. There is no reason that Hill can't play his natural role of PF, in a starting role, with either Gasol or Kaman out there alongside him. Both are better mid-range shooters than him, worse on the boards, and he boxes out more effectively than either of them.

 

Crowding the paint doesn't mean that Hill needs to be taken out. At that point, you swing the ball and find the open man. That doesn't have to Hill every time in that situation. We don't need a stretch 4 with the number of perimeter players on this roster, we NEED a guy who will dedicate himself to crashing the boards and playing defense. That is who Jordan Hill is, not a worse version of Channing Frye.

 

Pau doesn't need to run and pounce on the boards as much as Hill because he's 7'1 with long arms. Hill is 6'10, which is nice, but 3 inches makes a big difference in the amount of energy that a player has to spend towards grabbing boards. Pau's length allows him to just reach upwards and grab boards, he doesn't even need to jump much. Hill can't do that. Hill's greatest asset is his ability to box out effectively and get into great position to snag offensive boards like:

 

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Not being able to box out and attain the best position under the boards will reduce Hill's effectiveness on the glass. You don't see mid-range jumpshooting big men grabbing a ton of offensive rebounds. Hill can develop his game, there's no problem with that, but we don't need him to become a stretch 4. A mid-range jumper every now and then is fine, but shooting them as a first resort should NEVER be his optimal role on this team.

 

Sadly, I think that's exactly what D'Antoni will try to do.



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Posted August 13, 2013 - 08:56 PM

It does take away from his rebounding. He's farther away from the basket meaning that he can't crash the boards for us on the offensive end as effectively because he'll have to be flying in from 15 feet out rather than boxing his man out from 5 foot in. That's a huge difference for us. We don't need him to be a mid-range shooter, that's why we spent this summer picking up perimeter players. There is no reason that Hill can't play his natural role of PF, in a starting role, with either Gasol or Kaman out there alongside him. Both are better mid-range shooters than him, worse on the boards, and he boxes out more effectively than either of them.

 

Crowding the paint doesn't mean that Hill needs to be taken out. At that point, you swing the ball and find the open man. That doesn't have to Hill every time in that situation. We don't need a stretch 4 with the number of perimeter players on this roster, we NEED a guy who will dedicate himself to crashing the boards and playing defense. That is who Jordan Hill is, not a worse version of Channing Frye.

 

Pau doesn't need to run and pounce on the boards as much as Hill because he's 7'1 with long arms. Hill is 6'10, which is nice, but 3 inches makes a big difference in the amount of energy that a player has to spend towards grabbing boards. Pau's length allows him to just reach upwards and grab boards, he doesn't even need to jump much. Hill can't do that. Hill's greatest asset is his ability to box out effectively and get into great position to snag offensive boards like:

 

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Not being able to box out and attain the best position under the boards will reduce Hill's effectiveness on the glass. You don't see mid-range jumpshooting big men grabbing a ton of offensive rebounds. Hill can develop his game, there's no problem with that, but we don't need him to become a stretch 4. A mid-range jumper every now and then is fine, but it should NEVER be his optimal role on this team.

 

Sadly, I think that's exactly what D'Antoni will try to do.



You are 100% right in terms usage as well as Hill's ability to box out

2 of 3 of those pictures you showed were after Hill ran into the paint because the shot was up, that's why he's a good rebounder, he has the ability to run from outside the paint wherever he is, get position and still snag rebounds rather than camping inside waiting for the shot to go up.

A mid range shot is what he'll get some of the time depending on what the defense shows.


Pretty much we'll be attacking from Horns, at the 4,5 with Gasol and Hill at the 4 and 5, or Kaman and Hill at the 4,5 or Kaman and Gasol at the 4,5.   Pretty much off that play depending on how the defense adjusts Hill will get a mid range shot or a roll to the basket depending, and if the guard goes to finish off a hand off Jordan gets a wide open rebound attempt :D  That I am also behind!

But also depending on how the defense rotates Hill can be found for a cut(this is why he's working on his footwork and his pick and roll ability to roll as well as pick and pop)  I don't mind this.

Then again I expect them to use Hill the way I do, Pau goes to work inside the paint when the defense rotates he throws it to Hill who is wide open for a mid range shot, OR Hill sneaks around the defense as they rotate and Pau goes over the shoulder for an easy dunk or layup from Hill, OR the defense rotates to Pau, who swings it to Hill, defense rotates to Hill who swings it along the perimeter for an open three.

That's how I would personally play it.    I think and HOPE that is what D'antoni has in mind so I think you and I are pretty much on the same wavelength on that front.

 


Hill customarily roams outside of the paint so that he doesn't screw up spacing, he stands outside the paint for 2 reasons.

1) to pick and roll with Nash or Blake

2) to have an open mid range shot


And when it comes time for offensive rebounds when he thinks the shot is gonna go up he leaves from wherever he is and runs into the lane to try to get position for the rebound.  

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(the warriors game is actually the way I see us using Hill, his mid range was on that game so he finished with 14/8 in 21 mins.  So that's fine.   I really wish I had the team highlights for that game so I could break it down but it's been removed from Putlocker :(

Jordan has IMPECCABLE timing when it comes to roaming to know when a shot is gonna go up and he bolts wherever he is on the floor to get to the rim the moment a shot is gonna go up that's why he's always in the paint when a shot goes up.  But he roams and surveys first in case the defense rotates over then he'll cut or he'll spot up for a mid range shot.

Such as this play, Jordan starts at the 3 point line and then roams over to the side but is letting Pau have full control of the paint, once the defense rotates, Pau gets it, they rotate to Pau, Hill goes in and gets the alley oop




This is the basis of what Jordan Hill does.   He either finds openings in the defense when he cuts, or he spots up for the mid range.   He's very VERY good at reading the defense, which works in his advantage.

One thing you won't see him do very much is attack from the post(unless he's playing center) and he HOPEFULLY won't have to play center with both Pau and Kaman here.   (crosses fingers for the health of all 3)

That is why Jordan Hill said what he said, he wants to be the kind of player that can gel with either Pau or Kaman.   Rather than being a guy that comes in for Pau or Kaman.

But Hill doesn't camp the lane for rebounds, he is usually outside of it, then when the shot goes up he's GREAT at getting position or knowing where to find a hole in the defense, but more often than not he'll come from the outside and sneak in to get that position. 

That's why I like him so much as a rebounder, he doesn't stand in the paint and prompt Stu to go "4..5...6...7...8.." when he's waiting for the ball to go up.  He waits outside the paint, once the shot goes up he shoots inside, finds and opening and gets the rebound.    So him finally getting a consistent mid range shot doesn't change his game too much on that end, he'll still roam the way he always does, he'll just also give the Lakers another option when teams try to overload the paint defensively.

If Ibaka and Haslem can do it, I see no reason Hill shouldn't as he's a better rebounder than the both of them(note I don't want to see him stretching to the extemes Ibaka does.. that'd be too much).   I don't expect to see him shooting from mid as a primary but I think if we're gonna be playing him like we did against the Warriors(which I think is gonna be the case) then he'll likely be in pick and rolls a lot as the roll man but also an option from mid if they over rotate from the paint and he has to pick and pop.


I can only hope that will be the case.   And if it is, I don't mind one bit.  But if he starts camping the 3 like Ibaka I WILL have a problem with it.    More Haslem, less Ibaka.

 


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Posted August 14, 2013 - 12:02 AM

Sure it will spread the floor and stretch everything out if Jordan Hill is able to make those mid range shots, but I don't think that would be best for this team. Our defense and rebounding is gonna be on the bottom level in the league. Jordan Hill is a guy who can crash the boards and at least play somewhat defense. Although a occasional jumper here and there will be good, it will be better if he is in the paint working to get rebounds or providing interior offense by playing alongside Pau.

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Posted August 21, 2013 - 01:10 PM

Jordan Hill Vows Outside Shooting Won’t Compromise Rest Of His Game

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Posted on August 21, 2013 by Mark Medina    


Anytime Jordan Hill has stepped foot in a gym near his Atlanta residence this summer, the visual images starkly contrast with what made him a pleasant surprise for the Lakers through the past two seasons.

Instead of perfecting his post moves, Hill takes at least 1,000 jump shots per day. Instead of performing Mikan drills close to the basket, Hill often participates in shooting contests with reserve shooting guard Jodie Meeks. Instead of honing in on his rebounding, Hill’s paying extra attention to the ball handling.

All that work led Hill to making one unexpected evaluation surrounding his outside shooting stroke.

“I have a lot more confidence,” Hill said in a phone interview with this newspaper. “I feel I’m a good shooter now.”

 

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Posted August 21, 2013 - 01:19 PM

He needs to concentrate on crashing the boards and playing defense as much as he can. We already have plenty of shooters, even among big men, so his focus should always be defense and rebounding, the two areas he is extremely good at. 



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Posted August 21, 2013 - 02:06 PM

it isn't gonna ruin his game. He knows better than most. 

Him hitting the mid range shot is gonna make him a better well rounded player.

Also is gonna make it easier on his HIP so he doesn't wind up like crash.

Jordan Hill will still be fighting for rebounds, just the fact he can hit a mid range shot adds an extra avenue to his game he can depend on or hit an open shot on.

Especially with what the doctors told him about his hip etc never being the same again, perfecting a mid range jumper so that rebounding isn't "ALL" he depends on is probably vital to his career's longevity.   It's much easier when you think about it that way.


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Posted August 21, 2013 - 02:10 PM

KEY PHRASE IN THAT ARTICLE
 

But it came with a caveat. Hill said both D’Antoni and Kobe Bryant in separate instances instructed him this offseason to work on his mid-range jumper.




Now if the person that wrote the first article saying   "D'antoni tells Hill to work on his mid-range jumper"  Instead of "Stretch 4"  there probably would have been no backlash.

When people think stretch 4 they think 3-point shooting forward.  Which isn't always the case.

But in terms of D'antoni the hellstorm started that Hill was gonna be camping the 3 point line and that D'antoni was ruining his game.


So now that it's come out that both D'antoni and KOBE told Hill to work on his jump shot as in his MID RANGE game... it shows how quickly people jumped the gun. 

I'm sure no one's going to accuse Kobe of "ruining" Hill's game ;)
 

“Provide energy, play defense, rebound. That’s my game. That’s not going to change. I just want to be able to have more options and have something that the team can rely on. It’s all about just trying to expand my game.”



He's still gonna roam, search for rebounds and do what he always does, he's just gonna be able to hit that wide open mid range shot he gets from time to time with more consistency.   Like was said pages ago, this is a "good" thing.  Expanding his game is a good thing.  You heard it from the guy himself, he isn't changing what makes Jordan Hill, "Jordan Hill"  but he's expanding his game and adding more dimensions to it.

I'm 100% behind this.

Seems to be buying the 'team defense' philosophy too

“A lot of people say that. I don’t know maybe. I’m definitely going to keep bringing it every day, doing what I can to help the team That’s my game, playing defense, being physical, getting the rebounds,” Hill said. “But it’s about being on the same page and playing as a unit. You look at the other guys in the league – Chris Paul, Russell Westbrook, Tony Parker. It’s hard to stop those guys on every play. It’s all about just having each other’s backs, communicating, being organized, working hard. It’s a huge loss not having Dwight and Metta, but it’s never about one guy. It’s about five guys.”



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Posted August 21, 2013 - 02:14 PM

KEY PHRASE IN THAT ARTICLE
 




Now if the person that wrote the first article saying   "D'antoni tells Hill to work on his mid-range jumper"  Instead of "Stretch 4"  there probably would have been no backlash.

When people think stretch 4 they think 3-point shooting forward.  Which isn't always the case.

But in terms of D'antoni the hellstorm started that Hill was gonna be camping the 3 point line and that D'antoni was ruining his game.


So now that it's come out that both D'antoni and KOBE told Hill to work on his jump shot as in his MID RANGE game... it shows how quickly people jumped the gun. 

I'm sure no one's going to accuse Kobe of "ruining" Hill's game ;)

If HIll shoots terribly this season, I'll be the first person chewing Kobe's ass out



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Posted August 21, 2013 - 02:18 PM

Kobe and MDA tell him to work on his mid-range jumper. Look at what it did to Ibaka scoring wise.


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Posted August 21, 2013 - 02:22 PM

If HIll shoots terribly this season, I'll be the first person chewing Kobe's ass out


Hill is basically doing mid range to help the spacing as well.

For moments when Pau or Kaman is operating down low looking for openings and Hill is an option cause he is left, or as another option to help Steve Nash on the pick and roll(or pick and pop when they overload the paint) as well as being a cutter as well as a threat when Kobe is trying to navigate double teams.

Those are moments when Hill can get a mid range shot, the truth is if he cuts he's an option there too so he's basically an option from either or. 


I'd be fine with Hill shooting 42% from mid range.   Long as a majority of his shots come from inside.

 

 

Kobe and MDA tell him to work on his mid-range jumper. Look at what it did to Ibaka scoring wise.


Ibaka was annoying to watch us play against at times because he worked on that mid range.

Before when I knew of Ibaka when he'd be left open from mid I'd be like "That's the shot you want Ibaka to take" then he hits 4 in a row and I went [EXPLETIVE]!    Made OKC harder to defend when Ibaka isn't in the paint thus allowing Durant or Westbrook to get to the basket but being open from the side when the defense collapses, having a mid range jumper is key in setups like that.

Works with LeBron in Miami as well with Haslem or Bosh on either side of him for the mid.

The mid is open when the paint is loaded, and with Gasol or Kaman down there teams will scheme to force us to shoot threes, if we have a consistent mid range threat we needn't worry about it as much.       We basically have to ensure what happened to us against the Spurs simply by them cutting off the paint(which they also did to the Grizzlies) never happens to us again and above all else it fixes spacing issues.

Hill becoming a more well rounded player is a key piece to that, cause if he doesn't then Kaman is gonna have to come in and play the 4 and that compromises us on the defensive end(when he or Gasol plays the 4)


Edited by Majesty, August 21, 2013 - 02:23 PM.

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