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#21 Majesty

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Posted August 09, 2013 - 10:58 PM

Hill isn't a bad defender...he's just not spectacular.  One of the things he can do well which will help our defense is change ends quickly.  Pau doesn't do that well when he's hurt (but nor does 99% of the NBA).  Kaman can't rotate quickly to cover shooters or protect the rim...

 

 

Does that not remind a lot of people of Marc Gasol?  How did MEM become a good defensive team?

 

Rotations.

 

Playing defense well as a team requires having a game plan that everyone knows like the back of their hand and STICKS to.  There are a PLETHORA of defensive schemes that can hide either Kaman or Pau in a halfcourt set.  The problem we are going to have is when we have to play them TOGETHER...that's when we need to out rebound everyone by at least 10rpg to have even a slim chance of being a mediocre defensive team.

 

Hill+Pau OR Hill+Kaman = GOOD

Pau+Kaman = BAD

 

That simple.


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#22 DanishLakerFan

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Posted August 09, 2013 - 11:09 PM

Strong Side Zone?  LOL...that was a hybrid 2-1-2 / 2-3 zone with your 3 on the right side, 5 plays the middle high when the ball is on the wing and low when it reaches either corner.  Almost any coach worth his salt can install that zone in one practice easy.

 

Hill isn't a bad defender...he's just not spectacular.  One of the things he can do well which will help our defense is change ends quickly.  Pau doesn't do that well when he's hurt (but nor does 99% of the NBA).  Kaman can't rotate quickly to cover shooters or protect the rim...

 

 

Does that not remind a lot of people of Marc Gasol?  How did MEM become a good defensive team?

 

Rotations.

 

Playing defense well as a team requires having a game plan that everyone knows like the back of their hand and STICKS to.  There are a PLETHORA of defensive schemes that can hide either Kaman or Pau in a halfcourt set.  The problem we are going to have is when we have to play them TOGETHER...that's when we need to out rebound everyone by at least 10rpg to have even a slim chance of being a mediocre defensive team.

 

Hill+Pau OR Hill+Kaman = GOOD

Pau+Kaman = BAD

 

That simple.

 

I'm not worried about any other position nearly as much as I am the 4/5 rotation...that's why I believe Pau should be moved ASAP for a younger, faster, defensive minded PF...not likely but it's what will help.

 

 

All other criticisms of all other positions are premature.  We have adequate length and athleticism to defend with the best of them, 1-3.  4/5?  LOL...lots of length and bulk but no speed and average athleticism (at best).

Pau + Kaman will be bad against some lineups, but they can really clog the paint and both can block shots, so the defensive scheme with those guys would be for the wings to guard the 3pt shots, clog the paint and get the rebounds. 

 

The advantage of those two guys is on offense. So while we may give up a few points on one end, we should make it up on the other.

 

Looking at the Sloan article, Kaman was 4th in the "Dwight effect" stats (appendix 1a) which is the amount of shots that occur close to the basket. That would suggest that when Kaman is playing C people tend not to attack the basket as much (for some reason). 



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Posted August 09, 2013 - 11:14 PM

Take these with a grain of salt(defensive rating)

 

Two-man DefRtg combinations

  • Jordan Hill/Pau Gasol – 96.8
  • Pau Gasol/Dwight Howard – 104.2

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The reason I say grain of salt is because considering the injury and how few minutes that Hill got with other types of lineups numbers can be inflated, deflated etc on defensive rating.


Edited by Majesty, August 09, 2013 - 11:26 PM.

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Posted August 09, 2013 - 11:25 PM

Pau + Kaman will be bad against some lineups, but they can really clog the paint and both can block shots, so the defensive scheme with those guys would be for the wings to guard the 3pt shots, clog the paint and get the rebounds. 

 

The advantage of those two guys is on offense. So while we may give up a few points on one end, we should make it up on the other.

 

Looking at the Sloan article, Kaman was 4th in the "Dwight effect" stats (appendix 1a) which is the amount of shots that occur close to the basket. That would suggest that when Kaman is playing C people tend not to attack the basket as much (for some reason). 

 

 

Sorry...forgot to add this point in my original argument.

 

 

Any time we play Pau and Kaman, defensively, expect one of the other to be involved in P&R...it's almost a guarantee that most coaches are going to exploit that and force the other to try to rotate over to protect the rim from the weakside...

 

Train meet Wreck

 

Could we go Zone?  Yes...if we want to give up a lot of 3s.

Show early?  Yep...unless Pau/Kaman is covering a Pogo Stick like Blake Griffin.

 

There are a lot of scenarios but most are easily adjusted to in P&R.  Unless you have 1-3 who are speed demons and can cover a lot of distance REALLY quickly (MEM), playing 2 slew-foots is really bad defensively in the NBA right now.

 

 

And we don't even want to THINK about transition defense...3-on-4 or 3-on-5 almost every time...

 

Can it work?  Can Pau and Kaman play well together defensively?  Yes.

Will they?  I wouldn't bet on it.



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Posted August 09, 2013 - 11:27 PM

Take these with a grain of salt(defensive rating)

 

2 words for you...

 

Dwight

Howard.

 

If Hill/Howard was lower than Pau/Howard, maybe...but comparing Pau to Howard at the 5?  As a defensive anchor?  That's the difference.



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Posted August 10, 2013 - 08:35 AM

Lets put it like this
If we face Bogut and Lee, I think Kaman and Pau is a good match-up, though Curry in that pick and pop with Lee can cause issues.

Most situations you want Hill and one of the Centers though.

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Posted August 10, 2013 - 01:18 PM

It's safe to say that every player in our starting 5 is a known defensive liability around the league outside of Kobe but with his achilles who knows.


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