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#21 LakeShow805

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Posted July 25, 2013 - 08:51 AM

So, why do you think now Lakers won't get any big "names"?

 

 

 

Firstly, this is a good sign for the Lakers. His contract is resonable.

 

Secondly, we've seen guys traded the first year after an extension, it's not really a big deal to me.

 

 

 

 

Lakers will acquire some disgruntled star, and soon. It might be Bosh, it could be Westbrook. Every season there is another storyline

 

And then we can't forget Kevin Love.

 

 

The point about salary space, is you can TRADE someone into it.

 

We have destiny over the contracts we sign and therefore we are able to put ourselves in great position to trade for a desired player.

 

 

 

How many teams, regret the contracts they sign?

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Posted July 25, 2013 - 09:03 AM

So because these RFA's who we should have known were going to re-up with their teams are dropping off the market, suddenly we are not players for the realistic UFAs?  Lol...

 

As LAT wrote, its all on Kobe.  Stars have to align, but if Kobe plays ball and takes a min next summer (with a max in 2015), we could sign 2 max UFA's in 2014, and 1 in 2015 - along with re-signing Kobe to a max in 2015.  Oh yeah...Pau could do the same thing. 

...if Kobe takes a min next summer?  A minute?  I know you don't believe he's going to take the minimum...not a chance in hell it happens.

 

Two max FA's in 2014 would leave us with no room for a third max deal the following summer...and all re-ups or re-signings (for Kobe and/or Gasol) have to be done either before those other FA signings (since we're using Bird Rights) or with those salaries already figured into the payroll somehow.  We can't just fill our payroll one summer, then re-sign Kobe to a max deal that same summer...not the way it works.



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Posted July 25, 2013 - 12:12 PM

...if Kobe takes a min next summer?  A minute?  I know you don't believe he's going to take the minimum...not a chance in hell it happens.

 

Two max FA's in 2014 would leave us with no room for a third max deal the following summer...and all re-ups or re-signings (for Kobe and/or Gasol) have to be done either before those other FA signings (since we're using Bird Rights) or with those salaries already figured into the payroll somehow.  We can't just fill our payroll one summer, then re-sign Kobe to a max deal that same summer...not the way it works.

 

min=minimum. And I do not know what Kobe will do.  He has the highest net worth of any NBA player. If a dream scenario were to unfold where Lebron and Melo said they would sign in LA and it meant Pau could re-sign if Kobe took a min contract...maybe he would?  Reality is I don't expect him to, but I do expect this scenario to come up next year. 

 

And yes it can actually happen.  Kobe signs for a minimum of $1.45m in 2014 on a 1 year deal so we retain his bird rights.  His cap hold in 2015 would then be a minimum.  They could sign a big FA in 2015, and then sign Kobe to a max contract offer in 2015 of $19.5m - meaning he would average ~ $10.5m over the 2 years.  That is the way the CBA/cap rules are structured and can be manipulated.

 

The only caveat is that Kobe and the Lakers could not agree on a max contract in 2015 during the 2014 offseason.  So there is some risk on Kobe for taking the minimum because if he were to get hurt or the Lakers were for whatever reason to let him walk, he would have no guarantee of a max in 2015.

 

EDIT: 

 

2014 cap est: $62m

 

Carmelo+Lebron+Kobes Cap hold ~ $45m

 

Nash comes off the books in 2015.  So in 2014 they would need to retain a decent amount of cap space by using min/1 year contracts again.  The nice thing is the cap hold for someone like Wes Johnson is <$1m.  So if the Lakers keep their contract obligations short and sweet for the 2014-2015 season as well, then they could be able to sign someone like Kevin Love, Rondo, Marc Gasol.  They wouldn't be able to max someone in 2015, but they could make a substantial offer.


Edited by Calisupra2nr, July 25, 2013 - 12:19 PM.


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Posted July 25, 2013 - 05:08 PM

Chris Paul was supposed to come here for one season, for the mini-MLE, so we can acquire his Bird Rights and pay him in the summer of 2014...remember that suggestion by fans?

Kobe isn't going to take the vet's minimum in 2014, unless he's coming off the bench and reduced to a Michael Redd. It won't happen. Everyone on LN can bookmark this post.

You're banking on two superstars opting out of their contracts, two different contending teams in two big markets...and then, I'm assuming both taking less money (cap holds aren't as relevant as first-year salary, especially for a team desperate to avoid repeater tax). After that, Kobe takes minimum, the team has...Gasol take minimum, or...? And we still have money for 2015? That doesn't add up, not a chance.

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Posted July 25, 2013 - 05:11 PM

If we are going to tank, why not do it this year where this draft is super deep and filled with potential?


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Posted July 25, 2013 - 07:37 PM

Chris Paul was supposed to come here for one season, for the mini-MLE, so we can acquire his Bird Rights and pay him in the summer of 2014...remember that suggestion by fans?

Kobe isn't going to take the vet's minimum in 2014, unless he's coming off the bench and reduced to a Michael Redd. It won't happen. Everyone on LN can bookmark this post.

You're banking on two superstars opting out of their contracts, two different contending teams in two big markets...and then, I'm assuming both taking less money (cap holds aren't as relevant as first-year salary, especially for a team desperate to avoid repeater tax). After that, Kobe takes minimum, the team has...Gasol take minimum, or...? And we still have money for 2015? That doesn't add up, not a chance.



Honestly if LeBron and Carmelo came here before Kobe had officially signed on they'd have 17 million to play with.  Which I'm sure they could give Kobe 10+ of.


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Posted July 26, 2013 - 02:30 AM

Honestly if LeBron and Carmelo came here before Kobe had officially signed on they'd have 17 million to play with.  Which I'm sure they could give Kobe 10+ of.

If you're talking about the summer of 2014, then they'd also have Nash...so at roughly $40 million for two superstars, and Nash's $9-10 million, Kobe would be taking under $10 mill.  That won't happen.

 

If we're discussing 2015, with Nash off the books, we're assuming the Lakers are going to go into the summer of 2014 giving Kobe a one-year deal, retaining Nash, and filling out the rest of the roster  with minimum one-year deals...which is highly unlikely.



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Posted July 31, 2013 - 03:43 PM

Sam Amick @sam_amick about 2 hours ago
At @USATODAYsports: The Wizards lock up John Wall on a five-year, $80 million deal - http://www.usatoday....ington/2605889/

 

No more Wall for us.

 

Change title please.


Edited by Ham, July 31, 2013 - 03:46 PM.

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#29 Majesty

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Posted July 31, 2013 - 04:50 PM

So they're paying Wall 15 million a year?


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Posted July 31, 2013 - 05:38 PM

is wall worth that money?

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Posted July 31, 2013 - 05:47 PM

His potential is worth that money but as of right now. No

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Posted August 01, 2013 - 09:58 AM

Thread should be updated - he signed

 

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Posted August 01, 2013 - 02:40 PM

Thread should be updated. It's official.

 

John Wall Donating $1 Million to Local DC Charities

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Posted August 01, 2013 - 03:11 PM

Loyalty is nice. Would have liked to have Wall on the Lakers though. Looking forward to seeing if he can turn into that franchise player level point guard.



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Posted August 01, 2013 - 04:23 PM

Loyalty is nice. Would have liked to have Wall on the Lakers though. Looking forward to seeing if he can turn into that franchise player level point guard.


People like Durant and Wall usually live to regret these decisions once the team starts falling apart in the year that "would" have been the years they could have opted out.

Durant is stuck in OKC now because of it, and Wall is now stuck in Washington because of it :)


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Posted August 01, 2013 - 10:32 PM

Loyalty is nice. Would have liked to have Wall on the Lakers though. Looking forward to seeing if he can turn into that franchise player level point guard.


People like Durant and Wall usually live to regret these decisions once the team starts falling apart in the year that "would" have been the years they could have opted out.


Durant is stuck in OKC now because of it, and Wall is now stuck in Washington because of it :)



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Posted August 01, 2013 - 10:35 PM

want to high on him coming here or on his skills. To me hes still a second tier PG


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Posted August 01, 2013 - 10:50 PM

Is it official yet?


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Posted August 02, 2013 - 06:48 AM

Stuck in OKC?  OKC has been a top team for a few years with a pretty good GM.  Plus these guys are young.  Not sure if they will regret taking 80M at 22-23 when they will be 27-28 years old when they are FA again. 


People like Durant and Wall usually live to regret these decisions once the team starts falling apart in the year that "would" have been the years they could have opted out.

Durant is stuck in OKC now because of it, and Wall is now stuck in Washington because of it :)


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Posted August 02, 2013 - 07:38 AM

This is sad! The Wizards dont deserve a team or a good player.. They are going to ruin his talent because nobody wants to play for them






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