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#41 fido

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Posted July 21, 2013 - 02:18 PM

Not looking at field goal percentage.

 

I look at a player's mental state first.  All of these guys have physical talent.  Where the champions separate themselves from the rest is in the head.  Westbrook does not have it upstairs where it counts.



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Posted July 21, 2013 - 03:27 PM

on paper, but not without capable bigs, just double off Rondo, and force KD and Harden to beat you from outside


if you double team Rondo that's a bad career move =p

And it's not like Rondo can't get to the basket effectively if you try to double team off him, he was even hitting his jumper more often and his mid range game is VASTLY underrated.


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Posted July 21, 2013 - 06:02 PM


if you double team Rondo that's a bad career move =p

And it's not like Rondo can't get to the basket effectively if you try to double team off him, he was even hitting his jumper more often and his mid range game is VASTLY underrated.

 

Well, I know people thought it was NO Way Nash and Howard wouldn't work. So, I'm through with paper champions

Not looking at field goal percentage.

 

I look at a player's mental state first.  All of these guys have physical talent.  Where the champions separate themselves from the rest is in the head.  Westbrook does not have it upstairs where it counts.

Kobe seems to view him as a world class competitor. I'll say this. Harden left for a sorry team, and he looked like a punk in the Finals. I think Westbrook is a young Kobe in many ways. His relentlessness is something that is vastly undervalued 



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Posted July 21, 2013 - 06:51 PM

Well, I know people thought it was NO Way Nash and Howard wouldn't work. So, I'm through with paper champions



There's a difference between a guy like Dwight intentionally not running pick and roll cause he wants to be a wanna be Shaq while in LA to prove him wrong so was intent on playing his WEAKEST game(to try to prove a point which he actually wound up proving was right, and Rondo finally developing a consistent jumper.


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Posted July 21, 2013 - 09:12 PM

O.K. Basketball IQ  :laughing:



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Posted July 21, 2013 - 09:29 PM

Man, if Rondo for Russ had gone down instead of that Harden deal, OKC would have a ring right now, imo.

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Posted July 22, 2013 - 05:14 AM

1) Russ is not a young Kobe. His skillset is nowhere near Kobe's was, and neither is his mindset or basketball IQ.

At 25 years old (Westbrook's age), Kobe already had three championships, entering the 2003-04 seasons, and was the primary scoring option AND facilitator in the triangle offense. Westbrook isn't close to ANY of that.

2) How is Steve Nash a great example of a player who you shouldn't judge by shooting percentage? He's arguably the greatest shooter in the history of the game, a 50/40/90 player.

Also, aside from the two injury-ridden seasons he had (2004-05 and 2011-12), Kobe never shot under 43.8% from the floor once he became a starter. It also doesn't compare, anyway, since Westbrook has never, ever had the defensive attention Bryant has had over the course of his career...even when Shaq was in LA.

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Posted July 23, 2013 - 02:22 PM

They got all that young talent on the bench they dont need to make any additions


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Posted August 05, 2013 - 09:41 PM

ESPN's Henry Abbott & Royce Young discuss whether OKC could have really kept James Harden.

 


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Posted August 05, 2013 - 11:28 PM

Young talent doesn't win squat.

 

OKC will be in absolute scramble mode after they fail again this coming season.



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Posted August 06, 2013 - 10:45 AM

Scramble mode? How so?

Young talent doesn't win squat.

 

OKC will be in absolute scramble mode after they fail again this coming season.


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Posted August 06, 2013 - 10:48 AM

OKC really just needs a big man that can give them consistent offense while taking the pressure off the perimeter.  Harden trade was ok but they didnt do much with it in the aftermath.  They are banking on Lamb and PJ3's development.  Not to mention Steven Adams lottery pick who has 0 basketball skill. 


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Posted August 06, 2013 - 12:51 PM

Scramble mode as in doing whatever they can to please Kevin Durant.

 

The seeds for discontent are already there (as evidenced by Durant's smart alec comeback when asked about the Thunder's off-season moves) and if OKC doesn't watch it, Durant will want to leave as soon as he gets the chance to.  Considering he's their meal ticket, they will be in full on scramble mode trying to please him.

 

They have minimal time to sit back and watch Durant get more and more upset with management while they HOPE that their young guys develop into something.  You don't win with youth, and if they wait for these young guys to become impact players or championship level guys, Durant will be out the door (or at the very least Westbrook will walk).


They dropped the ball big time by not paying Harden and keeping him.  And now with this off-season being flat, while the rest of the West has either gotten better or is preparing to during next summer, OKC is in trouble.



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Posted August 06, 2013 - 03:21 PM

You really think the Harden thing was one sided huh?  So Harden wasn't asking for a max deal? Maybe there was a disagreement about his future role.  The first thing people need to realize is that Harden and his agent werent looking for a 54M deal and he wasnt trying to be the 6th man for the rest of his career.  Both sides essentially got what they wanted.  Harden got his money and a bigger role.  OKC got picks, Kmart and Lamb. 

 

Unless you are arguing that a small market team should have wrapped themselves up in 3 max deals and a 4th at 12M a year while getting beat 4-1 in the Finals...

Scramble mode as in doing whatever they can to please Kevin Durant.

 

The seeds for discontent are already there (as evidenced by Durant's smart alec comeback when asked about the Thunder's off-season moves) and if OKC doesn't watch it, Durant will want to leave as soon as he gets the chance to.  Considering he's their meal ticket, they will be in full on scramble mode trying to please him.

 

They have minimal time to sit back and watch Durant get more and more upset with management while they HOPE that their young guys develop into something.  You don't win with youth, and if they wait for these young guys to become impact players or championship level guys, Durant will be out the door (or at the very least Westbrook will walk).


They dropped the ball big time by not paying Harden and keeping him.  And now with this off-season being flat, while the rest of the West has either gotten better or is preparing to during next summer, OKC is in trouble.


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Posted August 06, 2013 - 05:58 PM

I think Brooks is somewhat inept at adjustments, whether Finals or post injuries. I understand the massive influence of missing a crucial player like Westbrook, but that OKC offense was terrible at times with Durant bring up the ball and constant iso plays.


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Posted August 06, 2013 - 08:44 PM

In their Finals appearance. Did LeBron outplay Durant significantly?

 

Did Wade outplay Westbrook significantly?

 

Did Bosh outplay Harden significantly?



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Posted August 06, 2013 - 10:29 PM

Whatever it was, the Thunder should've found a way to make Harden work on that team.  Start him at the 2, pay the money he wanted and they would've been and would be far better off.

 

That trade was terrible when it happened and it will kick them in the butt for years down the line.

 

Basketball IQ - Yes, the Heat outplayed the Thunder - hence the ring on their finger from that season.  Fairly self-evident answer.  Once again you're arguing for argument's sake.

 

Experience matters.  Wade and James had been in the trenches before, been deep in the playoffs.  Bosh, I wouldn't say he outplayed Harden as they weren't matched up throughout the series. 

 

I stand by my prediction that the Thunder will falter yet again this year, and after that you will see them try to re-shuffle the deck as quickly as possible.



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Posted August 06, 2013 - 10:31 PM

Whatever it was, the Thunder should've found a way to make Harden work on that team.  Start him at the 2, pay the money he wanted and they would've been and would be far better off.

 

That trade was terrible when it happened and it will kick them in the butt for years down the line.

 

Basketball IQ - Yes, on all counts.


How long before Durant asks for a trade?


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Posted August 06, 2013 - 10:33 PM

Who really knows?

 

But if the Thunder continue to try and develop young talent while Durant's frustrations grow, it will eventually happen.  Durant's window is open right now.  Developing new draft picks and young talent will take 3 years, at the very least.  I don't think Durant's patience will last that long.  I can see him asking for significant moves (a la Kevin Love), before he hops on the "trade me" train.



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Posted October 27, 2013 - 01:18 AM

How Far Can Kevin Durant Carry the Thunder?

Bill and Jalen turn their attention to the Thunder and examine the continued ramifications of the James Harden trade, compare Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant to Stringer Bell and Avon Barksdale from 'The Wire,' and play the game show sweeping the nation, 'Meet the Guys Who Are Going to Get Playoff Minutes for Oklahoma City!'


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