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#61 Japago

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Posted July 06, 2013 - 04:41 PM

Actually they got Nash before Dwight. Pau was on the block and he got injured and therefore could not be traded.

Dwight is much better in the pick and roll than the post.

 

It happened shortly before they got Dwight. It was very poor planning in general to add another old player into the group, even without Dwight in mind. But, you wait to make other moves when you have a major trade in the works. Pau wasn't on the trading block at all during the season. It was said that they wanted to see Nash back before they made any moves, which was laughable considering how awful they looked.

 

I honestly hope I'm wrong about Jim, but the Lakers have declined faster and faster with each year. The Lakers' past history doesn't really matter. Bad management ruins great franchises all the time. And, the Lakers management has looked awful the last few years.


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Posted July 06, 2013 - 04:52 PM

So trying to trade Pau for CP3 was awful.
Sessions trade was awful?

Did we not get rid of Odom and Bynum in time?


Were we picked to have a great season based on personnel decisions by most of the NBA analyst.

Did Mike Brown duplicate Phil's results with less talent?


You mean D'Antoni...

Who could truly predict the two coaches would fail with all this talent?

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Posted July 06, 2013 - 04:58 PM

Who could truly predict the two coaches would fail with all this talent?


*Raises hand*

But not entirely their fault.

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Posted July 06, 2013 - 05:27 PM

So trying to trade Pau for CP3 was awful.
Sessions trade was awful?

Did we not get rid of Odom and Bynum in time?


Were we picked to have a great season based on personnel decisions by most of the NBA analyst.

Did Mike Brown duplicate Phil's results with less talent?


You mean D'Antoni...

Who could truly predict the two coaches would fail with all this talent?

 

Shouldn't have stopped trying to trade Pau after that. He was clearly going downhill already. He should've been traded last offseason at the latest. There was plenty of rumored interest. And some of those rumors seemed like great deals. He was worth nowhere near CP3, so it was a mistake to wait for that kind of worth.

 

He shouldn't have gotten rid of Lamar at the time that he did either. The Lakers really struggled with their bench to begin that season, and they didn't get much for him.

 

I liked the Sessions move. The Dwight move was great too.

 

He hasn't been all bad. But, he's been mostly bad.


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Posted July 06, 2013 - 09:20 PM

Shouldn't have stopped trying to trade Pau after that. He was clearly going downhill already. He should've been traded last offseason at the latest. There was plenty of rumored interest. And some of those rumors seemed like great deals. He was worth nowhere near CP3, so it was a mistake to wait for that kind of worth.

He shouldn't have gotten rid of Lamar at the time that he did either. The Lakers really struggled with their bench to begin that season, and they didn't get much for him.

I liked the Sessions move. The Dwight move was great too.

He hasn't been all bad. But, he's been mostly bad.



Was a FAT and unmotivated Idim going to be the difference between a title?

Hell no.


I see u have shirt sighted vision.

Ill take the tpe that became Nash over the Lamar we have seen since that day.

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Posted July 06, 2013 - 09:30 PM

Was a FAT and unmotivated Idim going to be the difference between a title?

Hell no.


I see u have shirt sighted vision.

Ill take the tpe that became Nash over the Lamar we have seen since that day.

 

Being the difference between a title or not is the only way a move is bad now?

 

Lol at the Nash trade. It was a terrible move.


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Posted July 06, 2013 - 09:32 PM

Being the difference between a title or not is the only way a move is bad now?

 

Lol at the Nash trade. It was a terrible move.

 

It wasn't a terrible move. 

 

It was a terrible price to pay for a 39 year old point guard.  Nash can be effective if used properly. 

 

What was a terrible move was hiring a coach who attempted to run the offense around the 39 year old point guard. 



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Posted July 06, 2013 - 09:39 PM

The terrible move wasn't getting Nash.

The terrible move was getting Nash to take ball handling initiative from Kobe and then firing Mike Brown and not hiring Phil Jackson because they felt Nash should be off ball and getting Mike D'antoni because he was the only coach that told you guys he'd attempt to run it that way. 

THAT was the bad move


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Posted July 06, 2013 - 09:44 PM

Jim Buss is the new Al Davis. Micro managing everything. Sigh
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Posted July 06, 2013 - 09:46 PM

He can still be good in the right situation. But it was terrible specifically for the Lakers. That makes it a terrible move. You have to keep fit in mind when making moves. Plus, they gave up too much for him.


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Posted July 06, 2013 - 10:24 PM

Jim Buss is the new punching bag for Laker fans

 

Fixed. I expect to hear hear a bunch of crap flung his way in the next month or so...


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Posted July 06, 2013 - 10:33 PM

Anybody else sensing a resemblance to the cowboys over the last decade? A power-hungry owner whose ego keeps him from hiring the right people (Phil) to get the job done? Big spending but still a decade of mediocrity?

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Posted July 07, 2013 - 12:23 AM

Anybody else sensing a resemblance to the cowboys over the last decade? A power-hungry owner whose ego keeps him from hiring the right people (Phil) to get the job done? Big spending but still a decade of mediocrity?

 

Oh god, if the Lakers turned into a Cowboys-esque franchise, effectively making the Clippers the team in town, I'd weep for LA. I don't, however, see this happening for much longer. Early 2010s = early 90s?


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Posted July 07, 2013 - 08:03 AM

Anybody else sensing a resemblance to the cowboys over the last decade? A power-hungry owner whose ego keeps him from hiring the right people (Phil) to get the job done? Big spending but still a decade of mediocrity?

 

This team won back to back rings and went to 3 NBA finals in a row less than 5 years ago.  Many teams don't have a single ring, and only a handful have back to back championships.  Guess how many the Spurs have won in that time frame, they are considered NBA elite and a dynasty, the answer is zero.  They had a BAD offseason, don't be ungrateful, comparing them to a failure of a franchise when they have had a couple bad seasons is a bit premature.



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Posted July 07, 2013 - 08:06 AM

Jim Buss is the new Al Davis. Micro managing everything. Sigh


See this is what I mean.

Look at the absurdity of this comment but it fits a familiar narrative so it's easy to tell. New AD? Are u insane!!!!????

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Posted July 07, 2013 - 08:10 AM

The terrible move wasn't getting Nash.

The terrible move was getting Nash to take ball handling initiative from Kobe and then firing Mike Brown and not hiring Phil Jackson because they felt Nash should be off ball and getting Mike D'antoni because he was the only coach that told you guys he'd attempt to run it that way.

THAT was the bad move



But Jim doesn't deserve all the blame. Jerry does too and Kobe had said that Jerry's health was going but his mind was still sharp.


Meanwhile, we have been trying to take the ball out of Kobe's hands since the Dallas series.


Are their pre season threads here, because before Nash got injured, I remember people talking about him like a God.

He made Sacre look like Gortat. Kobe needs to fall back and so on.


Results based fans, whatever.

But our first rounder in this draft would not have been a help either way.

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Posted July 07, 2013 - 08:28 AM

But Jim doesn't deserve all the blame. Jerry does too and Kobe had said that Jerry's health was going but his mind was still sharp.


Meanwhile, we have been trying to take the ball out of Kobe's hands since the Dallas series.


Are their pre season threads here, because before Nash got injured, I remember people talking about him like a God.

He made Sacre look like Gortat. Kobe needs to fall back and so on.


Results based fans, whatever.

But our first rounder in this draft would not have been a help either way.

 

Agreed.  People are being results based.  The trades and makeup of the team made perfect sense, the outcome wasn't desirable.  The moves were "the correct moves" at the time and on paper we were the champs, unfortunately you have to play the games and that wasn't the case.



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Posted July 07, 2013 - 09:43 AM

When are people going to accept that our pitch was "money, more money, TV spots"?

 

 

We talked about championships but didn't do anything to the roster or the coaching staff to prove that we wanted to win.

 

No-one reached out to Dwight to find out what he really wanted.

 

 

We were too arrogant.



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Posted July 07, 2013 - 02:00 PM

When are people going to accept that our pitch was "money, more money, TV spots"?

 

 

We talked about championships but didn't do anything to the roster or the coaching staff to prove that we wanted to win.

 

No-one reached out to Dwight to find out what he really wanted.

 

 

We were too arrogant.

 

LA messed up back in November when they chose MDA over Phil Jackson when Howard specifically requested Jackson. Then, as you said, they didn't do anything to cater to D12's style of play, instead choosing to stay with MDA and having him not even speak to Howard during their pitch. While Houston was giving him McHale and Hakeem to prove that they knew how to work post play into their offense. 



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Posted July 08, 2013 - 12:07 PM

crap.


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