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#41 Jody Smokes

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Posted June 16, 2013 - 03:00 PM

That's false, while Korver may be a more sure shooter he does nothing else at this stage worth paying him for. 

This has nothing to do with Korver. However, Korver is still serviceable unlike Metta.


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Posted June 16, 2013 - 03:07 PM

This has nothing to do with Korver. However, Korver is still serviceable unlike Metta.


He's more one dimensional than Meeks without the hustle or attempt to even try to pay defense, and in the playoffs when a team can adjust to that one dimension and guard him accordingly he's shut down.

he shot 45% from three during the season

It dropped to 35% in the playoffs

He shot 46% from the field in the regular season

It dropped to 38% in the playoffs.

Regular season is one thing but we want to go deep in the playoffs, in the playoffs once teams have a strategy for Korver he's pretty much a non factor, and he doesn't play defense or do anything other than shoot threes so he's easy to scout for.

And after last season I'm not expecting him to shoot 45% from the three again, he could very well become another Kapono for us.

Wouldn't want to spend a long term retirement multi year contract on that for him.


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Posted June 16, 2013 - 03:11 PM


He's more one dimensional than Meeks without the hustle or attempt to even try to pay defense, and in the playoffs when a team can adjust to that one dimension and guard him accordingly he's shut down.

he shot 45% from three during the season

It dropped to 35% in the playoffs

He shot 46% from the field in the regular season

It dropped to 38% in the playoffs.

Regular season is one thing but we want to go deep in the playoffs, in the playoffs once teams have a strategy for Korver he's pretty much a non factor, and he doesn't play defense or do anything other than shoot threes so he's easy to scout for.

And after last season I'm not expecting him to shoot 45% from the three again, he could very well become another Kapono for us.

Wouldn't want to spend a long term retirement multi year contract on that for him.

Where did Meeks come from? I was talking about Metta. Korver is not inconsistent like Meeks and considering the situations he was in, his FG% would obviously go down. Korver will shoot over 40% next year too. Don't compare Korver to Kapono. And Korver was never in my argument IDK how you brought Korver in from me saying "Metta is not worth 7 million dollars." You can't argue against that statement so you bring in other players that have nothing to do with this discussion.


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Posted June 16, 2013 - 03:13 PM

That's false, while Korver may be a more sure shooter he does nothing else at this stage worth paying him for. 

You wouldn't be saying that if we had Korver shooting 45% everyday during the season unlike Meeks who showed up once a month.


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Posted June 16, 2013 - 03:15 PM

Wouldn't mind Korver taking MWP spot at all


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Posted June 16, 2013 - 03:22 PM

You wouldn't be saying that if we had Korver shooting 45% everyday during the season unlike Meeks who showed up once a month.


I'd be saying that when it dropped to 35% in the playoffs along with his non defensive efforts during the course of the season.


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Posted June 16, 2013 - 03:32 PM


I'd be saying that when it dropped to 35% in the playoffs along with his non defensive efforts during the course of the season.

Lol where was Meeks all season and playoffs? 


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Posted June 16, 2013 - 03:39 PM

Lol where was Meeks all season and playoffs? 


Meeks was inconsistent during the season and then was injured in the playoffs.

Korver was consistent during the season and then scouted to ineffectiveness in the playoffs. 


At the very least Meeks inconsistency was apparent all year but also was his hustle and his attempts to play defense.

But Korver pulled a Pau Gasol. 

Played out of his mind in the season and then disappeared in the playoffs when teams prepare for him(his 3 point percentage dropped 10%).  Both were letdowns.  But considering the season he had and will never have again, Korver was a letdown when it mattered the most.   And that's the playoffs, which is all Lakers fans really care about.  It was more apparent than ever that Korver can really only do ONE thing, and if you take that away you get nothing else.

The season is where you make your fame, the playoffs is where you make your name.

And his name was that of someone that had no response for a team that knew how to defend him on the perimeter, and since he has no other aspect to his game and plays absolutely no defense, he became a bigger problem than a help. 

Take Korver's three point shooting away and you get nothing else.  No driving to the basket, no hustle on defense, no effort in any other aspect of his game.

Remember that key play against the Rockets when Meeks had the three taken away so he drove to the basket and dunked it which essentially won us that game?  

Yeah Korver is never going to do that.

Meeks is an inconsistent shooter, but he'll give you more than Korver when the three is taken away and Meeks is only getting 1.5 million a year from us.

Korver wants a multi-year big contract he can retire from once it's up.   Significantly more than we'd be paying Meeks now.

Korver isn't getting that contract here and he shouldn't. 


Edited by Majesty, June 16, 2013 - 03:41 PM.

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Posted June 16, 2013 - 04:21 PM

Yeah he should not have the contract he wants but please Majesty, i am BEGGING you, stop defending anyone to wear purple and gold armor. That one dimensional player you are talking about is the best 3-pt shooter in the Nba and what we have is a 3pt specialist whose special skill is missing wide open 3's. I don't want Korver to be a Laker but if we have athletic wings and Dwight on defense, i would not say no to him, especially if he is cheap. So please stop defending Meeks against Korver, that hustle of his is very overrated and he does not even have that one dimension. Yeah, Meeks is dimensionless



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Posted June 16, 2013 - 04:33 PM

Yeah he should not have the contract he wants but please Majesty, i am BEGGING you, stop defending anyone to wear purple and gold armor. That one dimensional player you are talking about is the best 3-pt shooter in the Nba and what we have is a 3pt specialist whose special skill is missing wide open 3's. I don't want Korver to be a Laker but if we have athletic wings and Dwight on defense, i would not say no to him, especially if he is cheap. So please stop defending Meeks against Korver, that hustle of his is very overrated and he does not even have that one dimension. Yeah, Meeks is dimensionless



We're not getting that while also affording the kind of contract Korver wants.

I'm sorry it's not as easy as you want it to be, but be realistic.
 


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Posted June 16, 2013 - 04:38 PM

no team is going to give Korver the contract he wants


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Posted June 16, 2013 - 04:42 PM


Meeks was inconsistent during the season and then was injured in the playoffs.

Korver was consistent during the season and then scouted to ineffectiveness in the playoffs. 


At the very least Meeks inconsistency was apparent all year but also was his hustle and his attempts to play defense.

But Korver pulled a Pau Gasol. 

Played out of his mind in the season and then disappeared in the playoffs when teams prepare for him(his 3 point percentage dropped 10%).  Both were letdowns.  But considering the season he had and will never have again, Korver was a letdown when it mattered the most.   And that's the playoffs, which is all Lakers fans really care about.  It was more apparent than ever that Korver can really only do ONE thing, and if you take that away you get nothing else.

The season is where you make your fame, the playoffs is where you make your name.

And his name was that of someone that had no response for a team that knew how to defend him on the perimeter, and since he has no other aspect to his game and plays absolutely no defense, he became a bigger problem than a help. 

Take Korver's three point shooting away and you get nothing else.  No driving to the basket, no hustle on defense, no effort in any other aspect of his game.

Remember that key play against the Rockets when Meeks had the three taken away so he drove to the basket and dunked it which essentially won us that game?  

Yeah Korver is never going to do that.

Meeks is an inconsistent shooter, but he'll give you more than Korver when the three is taken away and Meeks is only getting 1.5 million a year from us.

Korver wants a multi-year big contract he can retire from once it's up.   Significantly more than we'd be paying Meeks now.

Korver isn't getting that contract here and he shouldn't. 

I never said he was getting the contract here or anywhere.. LOLOL. Korver > Meeks. end of discussion. I also remember teams [expletive]ting on Meeks everywhere he defended lmfao. Defense my ass.


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Posted June 16, 2013 - 04:53 PM

I never said he was getting the contract here or anywhere.. LOLOL. Korver > Meeks. end of discussion. I also remember teams [expletive]ting on Meeks everywhere he defended lmfao. Defense my ass.



Korvers defense is 10 times worse :)

Korver > Meeks in pure shooting

But that's all Korver does.  And unfortunately he only has that one aspect.

I WILL say that I'd take Korver for a similar contract to what Meeks has.   But I wouldn't take him for more than that. 

The last thing this team needs is a one dimensional three point shooter that when scouted for the playoffs is rendered useless because he gives and knows how to do nothing else at too big a contract.

It's not that I wouldn't take him on the Lakers.

I wouldn't take him for the money he's asking.

Although I dread what a lineup with Nash, Korver and Gasol would give up defensively X_X    I shutter...

But since Atlanta is going to pay him close to that or another team will overpay him for his shooting till he becomes Kapono the Lakers won't be signing him.     So entertaining that we could get him and some athletic wings(that's not you thats nikola) is unrealistic.

Dorell Wright is a much greater possibility.

 

 

no team is going to give Korver the contract he wants

 

 

seems like Atlanta might.   He shot 45% from three I'm sure some team would be willing to pay him for his services, probably more than they should. 

I don't expect him to have a season like this one but he's played himself into a larger contract.


 


Edited by Majesty, June 16, 2013 - 04:59 PM.

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Posted June 16, 2013 - 05:00 PM

They both suck so does it matter no. Not going to play better defense unless you have a defensive scheme which we will never see from MDA. Get shooters here for dwight its that simple.


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Posted June 16, 2013 - 05:01 PM

Wouldn't mind Korver taking MWP spot at all

Wouldn't mind is the mildest way to put it.

 

 

What we REALLY need is Korver, who can dunk and defend, but Korver is such a better fit than MWP, especially if we keep everyone else, it's outlandish



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Posted June 16, 2013 - 05:04 PM

well yes he's perfect fit. korver never played with two offensive threats that draws defenders towards them. That will def improve his shooting in the playoffs. point is... is he willing to take the money that we can give him


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Posted June 16, 2013 - 05:04 PM



Korvers defense is 10 times worse :)

Korver > Meeks in pure shooting

But that's all Korver does.  And unfortunately he only has that one aspect.

I WILL say that I'd take Korver for a similar contract to what Meeks has.   But I wouldn't take him for more than that. 

The last thing this team needs is a one dimensional three point shooter that when scouted for the playoffs is rendered useless because he gives and knows how to do nothing else at too big a contract.

It's not that I wouldn't take him on the Lakers.

I wouldn't take him for the money he's asking.

Although I dread what a lineup with Nash, Korver and Gasol would give up defensively X_X    I shutter...

But since Atlanta is going to pay him close to that or another team will overpay him for his shooting till he becomes Kapono the Lakers won't be signing him.     So entertaining that we could get him and some athletic wings(that's not you thats nikola) is unrealistic.

Dorell Wright is a much greater possibility.

 

 

 

 

seems like Atlanta might.   He shot 45% from three I'm sure some team would be willing to pay him for his services, probably more than they should. 

I don't expect him to have a season like this one but he's played himself into a larger contract.


 

Meeks doesn't do anything considering the fact that he is inconsistent... His defense would only be good on guards since he is too small but guards are too quick for him. He's useless 95% of the time.


Edited by Ham, June 16, 2013 - 05:05 PM.

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Posted June 16, 2013 - 05:09 PM

well yes he's perfect fit. korver never played with two offensive threats that draws defenders towards them. That will def improve his shooting in the playoffs. point is... is he willing to take the money that we can give him


That's what I'm getting at, we can't offer him the money he wants.  If he was out there saying he would sign for a vets min or a mMLE.  He'd probably be our primary FA target.   But he wants those security years.  Because he knows when his shot starts to fade he isn't gonna get another multi-year so he wants to get it now.


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Posted June 16, 2013 - 05:14 PM

Well yea but I will damn sure want him on the team doe


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Posted June 16, 2013 - 05:18 PM

Korver is not a priority. More like a luxury.

 

But I think he has more value than a guy like Webster, because of his ability to get WHITE HOT






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