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#1 TheOriginalCZM

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Posted May 14, 2013 - 01:52 PM

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Eddie Jordan was hired as head coach of Rutgers this offseason, an opportunity he prefers to returning to the NBA in a top job.

“After my last few experiences, I did not want to be a head coach in the NBA,” Jordan said.

Jordan led the Washington Wizards to the playoffs in every season between 2005 and 2008. Jordan even coached the Eastern Conference All-Stars in 2007 when the Wizards had the best record in the conference. 

Jordan was fired by the Wizards at the beginning of the 08-09 season after a 1-10 start, and was hired the next season by the Philadelphia 76ers.

Jordan most recently was an assistant coach with the Los Angeles Lakers after being hired by Mike Brown.

“When I was hired there, there was no Dwight Howard and there was no Steve Nash and Mike Brown said, ‘I want you to help me with the offense,’ ” Jordan said. “We went through the preseason running principles of the Princeton offense that Kobe had asked about and that Mike Brown presented to Kobe and they agreed it was good for the Lakers. We lost eight games, but Mike Brown wasn’t concerned about winning. He was like, we have an older team. Kobe has nagging injuries and we didn’t want to wear our starters out. But our starters were very efficient and our bench was very short, so you saw that throughout the whole season. The 0-8 preseason, we weren’t concerned about winning, we wanted to get guys in tune. Then Nash got hurt, then Dwight got hurt, Mike Brown got fired and it was an outcry and frankly — I think a lot of people in basketball would know — Mike Brown and his personality and his style, is great for solid NBA teams, but the Lakers are different. The Lakers are different. It was even hard for Mike D’Antoni to get it going.”


Edited by TheOriginalCZM, May 14, 2013 - 01:54 PM.


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Posted May 14, 2013 - 02:09 PM

“We went through the preseason running principles of the Princeton offense that Kobe had asked about and that Mike Brown presented to Kobe and they agreed it was good for the Lakers. We lost eight games, but Mike Brown wasn’t concerned about winning. He was like, we have an older team. Kobe has nagging injuries and we didn’t want to wear our starters out. "



Oh how I'm sure they wish the next coach had that mentality.    

 

Then again people complained about Mike Brown "caring too much" anyway, till they saw the alternative.


Unfortunately management hit the panic button too soon and paid for it.    As Mitch said in his exit interview, "We've learned our lesson." 
 


Edited by Majesty, May 14, 2013 - 02:10 PM.

 

I've always liked Steve Blake.

 


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Posted May 14, 2013 - 02:10 PM

Oh how I'm sure they wish the next coach had that mentality.

Unfortunately management hit the panic button too soon and paid for it. As Mitch said in his exit interview, "We've learned our lesson."

Too soon? Brown being fired was completely justified. Right move, wrong person to hire after.

Edited by Lakerace24, May 14, 2013 - 02:11 PM.


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Posted May 14, 2013 - 03:20 PM

It was soon to be honest ..

 

 

I remember majesty saying Brown sat with Kobe to change the offense before things went the opposite side.

 

It is what it is ..



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Posted May 14, 2013 - 03:37 PM

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Posted May 14, 2013 - 04:08 PM

It was soon to be honest ..

 

 

I remember majesty saying Brown sat with Kobe to change the offense before things went the opposite side.

 

It is what it is ..


Yes, Mike Brown had stayed up with Kobe all night on the phone as they worked out simpler ways to run the offense and how he could work on his overcoaching.  Mike Brown was a coach that really DID care what his players thought and was a "door was always open" coach.  So he and Kobe were working out a simplified version of the Princeton that would net the team some wins while easing into the advanced stuff later rather than trying to get it all at once.

We'd basically would have run simplified Princeton with the Triangle(which Brown was a fan of running when it came to plays he called for Kobe and Pau).   Which I honestly would have loved to see.   I'll explain more below.. beware..it will be long..
 

 

 

Too soon? Brown being fired was completely justified. Right move, wrong person to hire after.


Easy to say that. (long statement and statistical analysis incoming so beware if you continue, bring a map and some hiking boots)

But at the very least Mike Brown knew what he had, he knew what kind of team he had, he knew how he wanted to play them and he was bashed a lot for it by people who would NOW agree that it was the right decision.

He didn't want to run Kobe into the ground.
He knew what he had in terms Dwight, Pau and Kobe and what he wanted to run with them
He knew how to get them to their spots


Everyone makes a LOT of out that 0-8 pre-season.

Need I remind you that the lineup of Nash, Kobe, Metta, Pau and Dwight ONLY played one game together that entire pre-season?

After the first Kings game that Howard returned, Kobe didn't play anymore pre-season games cause he had a foot injury, remember?


One thing was very much for sure. Mike Brown knew how to use Dwight and Pau together from the start, and knew that he had to play Nash off ball.

Know how everyone was saying that Dwight wanted to play in the triangle and stuff like that. How the Princeton is the big brother of the triangle, is it ANY surprise to you that the guys that benefited the most from the Princeton were the people that understood the triangle the most? Kobe and Pau. And Dwight was starting to get it eventhough he was far from 100 percent? Before Nash got injured here was the numbers that Dwight, Pau and Kobe put up

Sacramento
Kobe: 21 on 50% shooting
Howard: 19/12 8-12 shooting
Pau Gasol: 14/8/5

Mike Brown didn't play them in the 3rd quarter which is why the Kings got back into it, and he played them in the 4th and we lost a close one but as was said, the pre-season was about getting everyone acclimated and in their groove and not winning.

After that game, Dwight didn't play the next game cause he was sore, and Kobe sat out the final two pre-season games as well.

So why hold merit in that?


Alright let's look at the start of the season, Dwight, Kobe and Pau's numbers

vs Dallas

Kobe: 22 on 11-14 shooting
Dwight Howard: 19/10 (his struggles from the line 3-14)
Gasol: 23/13/6


Once again the three biggest contributors are the two already familiar with the triangle, and the guy who wanted to play in the triangle, and this is beginning of the season 40% of himself Dwight

vs Portland(Nash's injury)

Kobe: 30 on 50% shooting
Dwight Howard: 33/14 on 9-15 shooting
Gasol: 16/9



Now the most important thing to realize is that Brown knew how to utilize Nash off-ball and how he wanted to, the problem was Nash had a tough time adjusting to just getting maybe 9 shots a game and not being THE GUY trying to set the table but we were still in the learning process.

But again, the biggest beneficiaries were of course, the two guys that got the triangle.

And this is where the losing of Nash with that off ball presence, which made life a lot easier for Dwight in the post because we knew how to space the floor and Brown knew how to use Dwight and Pau in the post effectively came to hurt us and their numbers dropped while Kobe's stayed pretty much the same. the first game after that was against a very deep Clippers team, then we obviously beat Detroit. But then we lost to the Jazz where everyone shot bad, EVERYONE shot bad, and a majority of their looks were wide open shots as well. This was the game where Gasol went 2-9, where Blake went 2-10 (7 of those 10 were wide open looks) and Metta went 3-12 and of course that was Mike Brown's firing some days later.


What happened during those days in between was Brown simplified the offense, him and Kobe worked together on doing so. Kobe also wanted Brown to loosen the reigns a bit to allow more freedom. Sound familiar?

His overcoaching had made the players start to think too much about what they wanted to do instead of it flowing naturally. Which caused turnovers, which were our bane.

Kobe's thought was that if he just let them play and didn't overcoach to specifics so much that guys would eventually get it. Basically asking him to do what Phil allowed them to do. Mike Brown always said he wasn't the type to just let guys "play through it" and he may call timeouts instead of letting it flow. This was Kobe's attempt to change that.

But most of all, the reasons Kobe AND Nash supported what Brown was doing was because in the long run once everyone got it, they would be able to play less minutes and play a style that wouldn't strain them.


Remember when this forum was up in arms screaming for Mike Brown to be fired because he said that a Nash lead offense(which a majority of this forum was begging for.. how many posts of "JUST PLAY NASH IN THE PICK AND ROLL AND GET SOME WINS!! IT'S NOT THAT HARD" were around this forum at that time? What about now? Still feel that way?

And when Steve Nash said himself "I can go to pick and roll whenever I want. But I'd rather learn and master this so that we have a more complete offense to run and then I can dig into pick and roll when they are defending it." basically saying he'd rather have pick and roll in his back pocket rather than the forefront. How many of this forum said that it was just Nash being a team guy, or that he wasn't going to throw Mike Brown under the bus, or that he didn't mean what he said?

Well when Mike D'antoni was here Steve Nash openly stated that he didn't think Mike D'antoni was the perfect fit nor did he think his style was, and that was HIS COACH. That was coming out of Steve Nash's mouth. Know why Steve Nash says that? Because he knew that at this point in his career that he couldn't run pick and roll primarily anymore. Nash is one of the smartest and most honest players in the game, when he was supporting Mike Brown for not running him in a primary pick and roll offense and making him run the team he meant it, when he says he doesn't think D'antoni nor his style was the perfect fit for the Lakers he means it. People just hated our current coach(Mike Brown at the time) so they convinced themselves he didn't.

Here is our numbers when we ran the simplified version of what was left over from Mike Brown's offense. What Bickerstaff said they'd worked on the day before Brown was fired, Kobe as well who said it was a combination of simplified Princeton and just the players playing and having freedom and later referred to their new style as "pickup".


Here's the numbers during that stretch

Against Golden State where they played Dwight heavy so we had to beat them elsewhere We did

Kobe: 27/9/7 in full facilitative mode with Blake finally settling into the off-ball starting position
Pau Gasol 14/16
Howard heavily defended went 6/8

We beat Golden State down badly too, but defensively as well, because Brown actually used Steve Clifford(who is in high demand now landing two coaching job offers in the NBA thus far) and we actually had a defensive gameplan.

now the next game

Kings

Kobe: 20/6/6
Dwight 23/18
Pau: 18/5

Benefits again with this more simplified with parts of Princeton and triangle offense the players that benefitted the most were the two that were most familiar with the triangle and the guy that wanted to play in it (Dwight)

Blake unfortunately was injured...

So the next game was against the Spurs where Darius Morris started...and scored 1 point... if Blake plays we likely win but lets see our three best players anyway

Kobe: 28/8/4
Dwight: 13/15
Gasol: 10/10/5

Not bad at all considering all three got the ball in good spots and played well

Like I said, it wasn't the issue of these three getting the way the offense was to be ran, it was everyone else around them as our bench played abysmal and aside from Hill's rebounding didn't offer many bright spots. (Jamison was still in useless mode, Duhon was Duhon and Meeks went scoreless for 10 minutes before being benched)

Next game was against Phoenix

Kobe: 31
Dwight 18/12
Gasol 16/16

Not many struggles there by the big three and Gasol was 7-11 with high percentage shots.

Obviously both Bickerstaff AND Brown knew where and how to play Gasol with Dwight

The next game was the Rockets game, considered by most one of our best performances with the perfect identity where we ran pretty much everything that worked.

Kobe: 22/11/11
Dwight: 28/12
Gasol: 17/5


Once again, the two triangle pundits and the guy that wanted to play in the triangle played great, and got high percentage shots and the ball where they needed it.

This was the game we also scored 40 points in the first quarter and shot 54% from the field on high percentage shots and exploiting the defensive openings.

It was also around this time that we were one of the few teams in the league, that was top 10 in offense and top 10 in defense, we had finally gotten back to .500 and seemed to be finally hitting our groove top build on this simplified version of our offense, point guards settling into off ball roles and really do some damage ...unfortunately...

This was the last game we had with Bickerstaff.

Enjoy it




D'antoni came in the next game, against Brooklyn...

Luckily he hadn't implemented his offense on us yet and we did fine playing blind basically pretty much ran what we did with Bernie and D'antoni who had yet to implement anything just sat on the sidelines, evaluating but not really drawing up stuff from his book for us to do.

Kobe: 25
Pau: 17/8
Dwight: 23/15


This was the last game we ran anything resembling the Princeton/triangle hybrid.

D'antoni scrapped everything to do with what Bernie and Brown wanted us to do and instead started trying to implement his things..

Our first game against the Kings, our spacing which had been great was now horrid and Dwight suffered

Dwight 7/9

But not just that, Pau and Dwight's synergy that they had built under Brown and Bickerstaff was completely changed under D'antoni, and when he was shooting at worst 50% from the field under Bickerstaff and Brown, his percentage DROPPED against Sacramento as he shot 3-10 with a majority being long jump shots.

Not only that but because of our spacing change Dwight wasn't able to go to work as easily as before either only getting 4 field goal attempts... 4! That had to do with the spacing screw up.

And it went downhill from there.

After playing a more complete game(although still through screwed spacing) against Dallas, we then made the mistake of hitting 17 threes against Denver... THIS was the point where D'antoni absolutely thought his style would work for us, and what became probably a half and half force of his offense, became a full fledged demand.

And guess what? We went 2-6 in our next 8 games.

Then we won 4 straight, the final 2 with Nash's return where D'antoni wanted to put the ball in Nash's hands primarily.

We did that against Denver... and got blown out... then we played the trailblazers where Pau had to play stretch 4 and was very fortunate to hit two three pointers.

But this still wasn't enough to convince D'antoni that a Nash lead offense wasn't the way to go....

We had to go 2-10 in January before he FINALLY let go of his offense and figured out what Mike Brown and Bickerstaff had figured out in November, that Nash 150% backed them on.

But it took D'antoni two months of wasted time to figure out stuff we already knew that was already established by the coaches before him.

Want proof? Here you go, start of the season quote by Mike Brown on why the Lakers weren't gonna be running a Nash lead offense.

Remember back when he said this everyone and their mom was after his head and saying he was dead wrong and didn't know what he was talking about?

 

“The first thing is with our offense, every time down the floor — and if they want to, they can call Steve Nash and ask him — Steve Nash has the right to play pick and roll if he wants to,” Brown said. “He has said it himself that he doesn’t feel like he’s as burdened because he doesn’t have to make every play for everybody all the time with what we’re trying to do. He can give it up and still have a chance to get it back. He’s said that he feels as fresh as he’s ever felt in his career because he doesn’t feel the pressure of making every single play.

We could spread the floor and play pick and roll all the time … but it will make us one-dimensional,” he said. “So when we play the good teams, they’ll figure out how to stop that one thing that we’re good at … and when we’re in seven-game playoff series, for sure the later we get into the playoffs, they’ll be able to take us out of the offense because we’ll be so one-dimensional. What we’re trying to do, we’re trying to eliminate that and be hard to guard because it’s a read-based offense.”


Remember when he said this? and he was called stupid. Called ignorant. People called for his head, said he had no idea what he was talking about and that Nash was lying about really enjoying playing that way.... and were actually AGREEING with Charles Barkley when he said this
 

“Mike Brown has to nix the Princeton thing,” Barkley said, “and let Steve Nash push the ball.”



Looking at those two quotes now at seasons end, which one was right? :)

Mike Brown, Bickerstaff, Nash and Kobe had this figured out from the start of the season. Getting D'antoni was just one and a half months of un-needed losses proving it.


So Mike Brown may not have been the "ideal" guy for the job, but he knew what he had, knew what we should run, and would have probably lead us to a better overall record and system than D'antoni did. One thing is for sure, we'd have had enough of it figured out that we wouldn't have gone 7-17 through December and January therefore needing to scramble just to make the playoffs. The only reason we went 7-17 through December and January was because we were forced into a style that we knew wouldn't work from the start of training camp and December and January were just proving it to the and by world I mean D'antoni's world.

At least under Mike Brown we would have struggled probably till the backend of November instead of till end of January.

Those are my two cents anyway.





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Edited by Majesty, May 14, 2013 - 04:29 PM.

 

I've always liked Steve Blake.

 


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Posted May 14, 2013 - 06:41 PM

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Posted May 14, 2013 - 07:11 PM

Majesty is like that long-winded minister you hope isn't preaching that Sunday.
Pau Gasol is TRASH

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Posted May 14, 2013 - 07:13 PM

Majesty is like that long-winded minister you hope isn't preaching that Sunday.

 

and yet those that don't care always comment :)

You can always pray at home instead ;)


Edited by Majesty, May 14, 2013 - 07:13 PM.

 

I've always liked Steve Blake.

 


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Posted May 14, 2013 - 07:33 PM


Yes, Mike Brown had stayed up with Kobe all night on the phone as they worked out simpler ways to run the offense and how he could work on his overcoaching.  Mike Brown was a coach that really DID care what his players thought and was a "door was always open" coach.  So he and Kobe were working out a simplified version of the Princeton that would net the team some wins while easing into the advanced stuff later rather than trying to get it all at once.

We'd basically would have run simplified Princeton with the Triangle(which Brown was a fan of running when it came to plays he called for Kobe and Pau).   Which I honestly would have loved to see.   I'll explain more below.. beware..it will be long..
 

 

 


Easy to say that. (long statement and statistical analysis incoming so beware if you continue, bring a map and some hiking boots)

But at the very least Mike Brown knew what he had, he knew what kind of team he had, he knew how he wanted to play them and he was bashed a lot for it by people who would NOW agree that it was the right decision.

He didn't want to run Kobe into the ground.
He knew what he had in terms Dwight, Pau and Kobe and what he wanted to run with them
He knew how to get them to their spots


Everyone makes a LOT of out that 0-8 pre-season.

Need I remind you that the lineup of Nash, Kobe, Metta, Pau and Dwight ONLY played one game together that entire pre-season?

After the first Kings game that Howard returned, Kobe didn't play anymore pre-season games cause he had a foot injury, remember?


One thing was very much for sure. Mike Brown knew how to use Dwight and Pau together from the start, and knew that he had to play Nash off ball.

Know how everyone was saying that Dwight wanted to play in the triangle and stuff like that. How the Princeton is the big brother of the triangle, is it ANY surprise to you that the guys that benefited the most from the Princeton were the people that understood the triangle the most? Kobe and Pau. And Dwight was starting to get it eventhough he was far from 100 percent? Before Nash got injured here was the numbers that Dwight, Pau and Kobe put up

Sacramento
Kobe: 21 on 50% shooting
Howard: 19/12 8-12 shooting
Pau Gasol: 14/8/5

Mike Brown didn't play them in the 3rd quarter which is why the Kings got back into it, and he played them in the 4th and we lost a close one but as was said, the pre-season was about getting everyone acclimated and in their groove and not winning.

After that game, Dwight didn't play the next game cause he was sore, and Kobe sat out the final two pre-season games as well.

So why hold merit in that?


Alright let's look at the start of the season, Dwight, Kobe and Pau's numbers

vs Dallas

Kobe: 22 on 11-14 shooting
Dwight Howard: 19/10 (his struggles from the line 3-14)
Gasol: 23/13/6


Once again the three biggest contributors are the two already familiar with the triangle, and the guy who wanted to play in the triangle, and this is beginning of the season 40% of himself Dwight

vs Portland(Nash's injury)

Kobe: 30 on 50% shooting
Dwight Howard: 33/14 on 9-15 shooting
Gasol: 16/9



Now the most important thing to realize is that Brown knew how to utilize Nash off-ball and how he wanted to, the problem was Nash had a tough time adjusting to just getting maybe 9 shots a game and not being THE GUY trying to set the table but we were still in the learning process.

But again, the biggest beneficiaries were of course, the two guys that got the triangle.

And this is where the losing of Nash with that off ball presence, which made life a lot easier for Dwight in the post because we knew how to space the floor and Brown knew how to use Dwight and Pau in the post effectively came to hurt us and their numbers dropped while Kobe's stayed pretty much the same. the first game after that was against a very deep Clippers team, then we obviously beat Detroit. But then we lost to the Jazz where everyone shot bad, EVERYONE shot bad, and a majority of their looks were wide open shots as well. This was the game where Gasol went 2-9, where Blake went 2-10 (7 of those 10 were wide open looks) and Metta went 3-12 and of course that was Mike Brown's firing some days later.


What happened during those days in between was Brown simplified the offense, him and Kobe worked together on doing so. Kobe also wanted Brown to loosen the reigns a bit to allow more freedom. Sound familiar?

His overcoaching had made the players start to think too much about what they wanted to do instead of it flowing naturally. Which caused turnovers, which were our bane.

Kobe's thought was that if he just let them play and didn't overcoach to specifics so much that guys would eventually get it. Basically asking him to do what Phil allowed them to do. Mike Brown always said he wasn't the type to just let guys "play through it" and he may call timeouts instead of letting it flow. This was Kobe's attempt to change that.

But most of all, the reasons Kobe AND Nash supported what Brown was doing was because in the long run once everyone got it, they would be able to play less minutes and play a style that wouldn't strain them.


Remember when this forum was up in arms screaming for Mike Brown to be fired because he said that a Nash lead offense(which a majority of this forum was begging for.. how many posts of "JUST PLAY NASH IN THE PICK AND ROLL AND GET SOME WINS!! IT'S NOT THAT HARD" were around this forum at that time? What about now? Still feel that way?

And when Steve Nash said himself "I can go to pick and roll whenever I want. But I'd rather learn and master this so that we have a more complete offense to run and then I can dig into pick and roll when they are defending it." basically saying he'd rather have pick and roll in his back pocket rather than the forefront. How many of this forum said that it was just Nash being a team guy, or that he wasn't going to throw Mike Brown under the bus, or that he didn't mean what he said?

Well when Mike D'antoni was here Steve Nash openly stated that he didn't think Mike D'antoni was the perfect fit nor did he think his style was, and that was HIS COACH. That was coming out of Steve Nash's mouth. Know why Steve Nash says that? Because he knew that at this point in his career that he couldn't run pick and roll primarily anymore. Nash is one of the smartest and most honest players in the game, when he was supporting Mike Brown for not running him in a primary pick and roll offense and making him run the team he meant it, when he says he doesn't think D'antoni nor his style was the perfect fit for the Lakers he means it. People just hated our current coach(Mike Brown at the time) so they convinced themselves he didn't.

Here is our numbers when we ran the simplified version of what was left over from Mike Brown's offense. What Bickerstaff said they'd worked on the day before Brown was fired, Kobe as well who said it was a combination of simplified Princeton and just the players playing and having freedom and later referred to their new style as "pickup".


Here's the numbers during that stretch

Against Golden State where they played Dwight heavy so we had to beat them elsewhere We did

Kobe: 27/9/7 in full facilitative mode with Blake finally settling into the off-ball starting position
Pau Gasol 14/16
Howard heavily defended went 6/8

We beat Golden State down badly too, but defensively as well, because Brown actually used Steve Clifford(who is in high demand now landing two coaching job offers in the NBA thus far) and we actually had a defensive gameplan.

now the next game

Kings

Kobe: 20/6/6
Dwight 23/18
Pau: 18/5

Benefits again with this more simplified with parts of Princeton and triangle offense the players that benefitted the most were the two that were most familiar with the triangle and the guy that wanted to play in it (Dwight)

Blake unfortunately was injured...

So the next game was against the Spurs where Darius Morris started...and scored 1 point... if Blake plays we likely win but lets see our three best players anyway

Kobe: 28/8/4
Dwight: 13/15
Gasol: 10/10/5

Not bad at all considering all three got the ball in good spots and played well

Like I said, it wasn't the issue of these three getting the way the offense was to be ran, it was everyone else around them as our bench played abysmal and aside from Hill's rebounding didn't offer many bright spots. (Jamison was still in useless mode, Duhon was Duhon and Meeks went scoreless for 10 minutes before being benched)

Next game was against Phoenix

Kobe: 31
Dwight 18/12
Gasol 16/16

Not many struggles there by the big three and Gasol was 7-11 with high percentage shots.

Obviously both Bickerstaff AND Brown knew where and how to play Gasol with Dwight

The next game was the Rockets game, considered by most one of our best performances with the perfect identity where we ran pretty much everything that worked.

Kobe: 22/11/11
Dwight: 28/12
Gasol: 17/5


Once again, the two triangle pundits and the guy that wanted to play in the triangle played great, and got high percentage shots and the ball where they needed it.

This was the game we also scored 40 points in the first quarter and shot 54% from the field on high percentage shots and exploiting the defensive openings.

It was also around this time that we were one of the few teams in the league, that was top 10 in offense and top 10 in defense, we had finally gotten back to .500 and seemed to be finally hitting our groove top build on this simplified version of our offense, point guards settling into off ball roles and really do some damage ...unfortunately...

This was the last game we had with Bickerstaff.

Enjoy it




D'antoni came in the next game, against Brooklyn...

Luckily he hadn't implemented his offense on us yet and we did fine playing blind basically pretty much ran what we did with Bernie and D'antoni who had yet to implement anything just sat on the sidelines, evaluating but not really drawing up stuff from his book for us to do.

Kobe: 25
Pau: 17/8
Dwight: 23/15


This was the last game we ran anything resembling the Princeton/triangle hybrid.

D'antoni scrapped everything to do with what Bernie and Brown wanted us to do and instead started trying to implement his things..

Our first game against the Kings, our spacing which had been great was now horrid and Dwight suffered

Dwight 7/9

But not just that, Pau and Dwight's synergy that they had built under Brown and Bickerstaff was completely changed under D'antoni, and when he was shooting at worst 50% from the field under Bickerstaff and Brown, his percentage DROPPED against Sacramento as he shot 3-10 with a majority being long jump shots.

Not only that but because of our spacing change Dwight wasn't able to go to work as easily as before either only getting 4 field goal attempts... 4! That had to do with the spacing screw up.

And it went downhill from there.

After playing a more complete game(although still through screwed spacing) against Dallas, we then made the mistake of hitting 17 threes against Denver... THIS was the point where D'antoni absolutely thought his style would work for us, and what became probably a half and half force of his offense, became a full fledged demand.

And guess what? We went 2-6 in our next 8 games.

Then we won 4 straight, the final 2 with Nash's return where D'antoni wanted to put the ball in Nash's hands primarily.

We did that against Denver... and got blown out... then we played the trailblazers where Pau had to play stretch 4 and was very fortunate to hit two three pointers.

But this still wasn't enough to convince D'antoni that a Nash lead offense wasn't the way to go....

We had to go 2-10 in January before he FINALLY let go of his offense and figured out what Mike Brown and Bickerstaff had figured out in November, that Nash 150% backed them on.

But it took D'antoni two months of wasted time to figure out stuff we already knew that was already established by the coaches before him.

Want proof? Here you go, start of the season quote by Mike Brown on why the Lakers weren't gonna be running a Nash lead offense.

Remember back when he said this everyone and their mom was after his head and saying he was dead wrong and didn't know what he was talking about?

 


Remember when he said this? and he was called stupid. Called ignorant. People called for his head, said he had no idea what he was talking about and that Nash was lying about really enjoying playing that way.... and were actually AGREEING with Charles Barkley when he said this
 



Looking at those two quotes now at seasons end, which one was right? :)

Mike Brown, Bickerstaff, Nash and Kobe had this figured out from the start of the season. Getting D'antoni was just one and a half months of un-needed losses proving it.


So Mike Brown may not have been the "ideal" guy for the job, but he knew what he had, knew what we should run, and would have probably lead us to a better overall record and system than D'antoni did. One thing is for sure, we'd have had enough of it figured out that we wouldn't have gone 7-17 through December and January therefore needing to scramble just to make the playoffs. The only reason we went 7-17 through December and January was because we were forced into a style that we knew wouldn't work from the start of training camp and December and January were just proving it to the and by world I mean D'antoni's world.

At least under Mike Brown we would have struggled probably till the backend of November instead of till end of January.

Those are my two cents anyway.





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If you took the time to read all this thank you and I owe you a cookie.. :bounce:

I read all of it.

 

In short, I'll tell you this: Mike Brown is the lesser of the two evils.

 

If you want to dissect it enough, you'll eventually find a way to prove your point in most situations. Mike Brown had enough chances. He wasn't the right choice to begin with and his time in LA proved that in the big picture. The Lakers were not going anywhere with him at the helm, same with Mike D.

 

We're talking about regular season success when we want to compare these two. The thought of a possible championship with either of them as the HC is laughable. Neither of them have what it takes to win a 'ship, as they have proved over and over throughout their careers. 

 

That's why I said firing Mike Brown was justified, regardless if he was going to have 'more success' than Mike D (who also needs to be fired), because we all knew he didn't have what it takes to get this team back to a championship. 



#11 Majesty

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Posted May 14, 2013 - 07:40 PM

I read all of it.

 

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I've always liked Steve Blake.

 


#12 TronVader

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Posted May 14, 2013 - 09:08 PM

I have no pews at home.

 

I do have lasers, though. PEW PEW PEW!


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#13 Michaelyumm

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Posted May 15, 2013 - 02:17 PM

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Posted May 15, 2013 - 02:53 PM

I have no pews at home.

 

I do have lasers, though. PEW PEW PEW!

I don't get this.


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Posted May 15, 2013 - 04:09 PM

Love the maturity of people on this forum sometimes. Even if Majesty is wrong on something at least he backs up his point of view and people are just like:

 

"DIDN'T READ LOL"

"UR DUMB"

 

Amazing.


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Posted May 15, 2013 - 07:36 PM

I don't get this.

 

 

and yet those that don't care always comment :)

You can always pray at home instead ;)

Sorry.. I meant to quote this while I said that, lol.


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Posted May 19, 2013 - 08:27 AM

Mike Brown would have certainly been fired by the end of this season.

Not a bad coach, but he doesn't have the personality for the Lakers b




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