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#21 Majesty

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Posted May 06, 2013 - 07:33 PM

Thank God is not financially viable, because he would be perfect for Coach Moron.  Distance shooter who plays no defense.



Right cause Shawn Marion and Raja Bell whom were the cornerstone aside from Nash of that Phoenix Suns team of such game didn't play defense at all right?


Actually the misconception is that the only reason those Phoenix teams had any defensive viability had to do with the wing players, not because it was preached.

D'antoni had Shawn Marion and raja Bell, two pretty good defenders and the corner stone.

D'antoni may not preach defense but to say all he wanted were three point shooters that didn't play defense is silly when it was his wing defenders that could hit threes and play defense that factored into his success at that time.

D'antoni doesn't have anything against defensive wings, and he doesn't tell them to not play defense, he just didn't preach it and those players just so happened to be good defenders.

The fact that Korver is a three point shooter would be reason enough if you want to go for who fits D'antoni's style, whether or not they play defense is irrelevant in this case.


And it isn't up to D'antoni as much as it's up to Mitch.  I doubt Mitch wants that guy, he's learned his lesson with Kapono and Meeks, you'd figure they are going after Webster for a reason.   Especially over someone like Korver.

The idea is to find guys that can minimize Kobe's minutes, another one dimensional 3 point shooter isn't gonna do it.


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Posted May 06, 2013 - 07:39 PM



Right cause Shawn Marion and Raja Bell whom were the cornerstone aside from Nash of that Phoenix Suns team of such game didn't play defense at all right?


Actually the misconception is that the only reason those Phoenix teams had any defensive viability had to do with the wing players, not because it was preached.

D'antoni had Shawn Marion and raja Bell, two pretty good defenders and the corner stone.

D'antoni may not preach defense but to say all he wanted were three point shooters that didn't play defense is silly when it was his wing defenders that could hit threes and play defense that factored into his success at that time.

D'antoni doesn't have anything against defensive wings, and he doesn't tell them to not play defense, he just didn't preach it and those players just so happened to be good defenders.

The fact that Korver is a three point shooter would be reason enough if you want to go for who fits D'antoni's style, whether or not they play defense is irrelevant in this case.


And it isn't up to D'antoni as much as it's up to Mitch.  I doubt Mitch wants that guy, he's learned his lesson with Kapono and Meeks, you'd figure they are going after Webster for a reason.   Especially over someone like Korver.

The idea is to find guys that can minimize Kobe's minutes, another one dimensional 3 point shooter isn't gonna do it.

I have no idea what your point is.  Korver plays no defense and can shoot.  Coach Moron likes those kinda guys.  The fact that he had a couple of guys in Phx who actually could play defense is not the point.



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Posted May 06, 2013 - 07:48 PM

I have no idea what your point is.  Korver plays no defense and can shoot.  Coach Moron likes those kinda guys.  The fact that he had a couple of guys in Phx who actually could play defense is not the point.


D'antoni likes three point shooters.

Whether or not they play defense is irrelevant.

Marion nor Bell would have been part of that Suns team if both criteria's mattered.


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Posted May 06, 2013 - 09:42 PM

Korver, despite his defensive shortcomigns, would be a nice addition. I really think we could use another lights-out shooter like Korver, who is so deadly from 3pt range, that opposing teams has to defend him, which give Nash, Kobe, Pau and Dwight a lot more room to operate in. Look at what Novak did for the Knicks last season - he was awesome. 

 

Games are won by outscoring the opponent, not by outdefending them and while we still would need perimeter defenders i think Korver would help a lot offensively - even by default by turning Mettas 11 shots per game (!?) into fewer but better looks.  

 

Other options are Martell Webster, Dorell Wright and Brandon Rush - all of whom are better defenders as Korver. 



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Posted May 06, 2013 - 09:48 PM

One MLE, a mini MLE and unlimited veteran minimums.

Gonna take a helluva sales job to convince any player that can have an impact to sign with the Lakers with D'Antoni as coach and after the tumultuous mess this last season was.

And remember this is D'Antoni, he doesn't know defense whatsoever, so I fully expect the Lakers to ignore the most important side of the game as long as he is poisoning the sidelines.

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Posted May 06, 2013 - 09:50 PM

One MLE, a mini MLE and unlimited veteran minimums.

Gonna take a helluva sales job to convince any player that can have an impact to sign with the Lakers with D'Antoni as coach and after the tumultuous mess this last season was.


Dwight is the bargaining chip.

if he re-signs, that job becomes a lot easier to take.

it's why meeks is here, and it's why those "worth more" free agents would be here too.


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Posted May 06, 2013 - 09:54 PM


Dwight is the bargaining chip.

if he re-signs, that job becomes a lot easier to take.

it's why meeks is here, and it's why those "worth more" free agents would be here too.

True. Dwight and the 2014 Free agency can lure a lot of players here - especially LA guys like Nick Young and Dorell Wright.

Look at all the guys who went to Miami - Ray Allen, Mike Milller, Shane Battier



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Posted May 06, 2013 - 10:03 PM

Miami had more money to offer and they are on the rise.

Big, BIG difference.

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Posted May 06, 2013 - 10:14 PM

^^ bingo.
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Posted May 07, 2013 - 08:09 AM

The Lakers have no money (not even a full MLE), just came off a terrible year, and has a coach who faced criticism from his current and former players. They won't offer long term deals to maintain cap space for 2014. The only thing they have to offer is LA, but the Clippers have that to offer as well.

 

Nobody is coming here for a discount next year. Expect to see more of Earl Clark, Meeks, and Goudelock.



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Posted May 07, 2013 - 08:19 AM

Players may come here hoping to be able to stick around following free agency in 2014.



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Posted May 07, 2013 - 01:25 PM

Players may come here hoping to be able to stick around following free agency in 2014.

 

Maybe lower level players, but Mitch has maintained that keeping cap flexibility for 2014 is really important. I don't think he gives out more than 1 year to players unless they are still relatively young and giving a significant discount OR he thinks they are better than whatever they can get in 2014. Dwight fits in the "worth using cap space" mold. I'd guess that Kevin Love does as well. I suppose Korver at 3 million a season might be a great deal, I'm not sure. I haven't seen him play enough to see if he is really that bad defensively or if it's just a byproduct of being a white guy outside shooter.



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Posted May 09, 2013 - 02:31 PM

They have no money now but in 2014 its time to Rock. Reshuffle the deck and move on. 



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Posted May 09, 2013 - 08:24 PM



Right cause Shawn Marion and Raja Bell whom were the cornerstone aside from Nash of that Phoenix Suns team of such game didn't play defense at all right?


Actually the misconception is that the only reason those Phoenix teams had any defensive viability had to do with the wing players, not because it was preached.

D'antoni had Shawn Marion and raja Bell, two pretty good defenders and the corner stone.

D'antoni may not preach defense but to say all he wanted were three point shooters that didn't play defense is silly when it was his wing defenders that could hit threes and play defense that factored into his success at that time.

D'antoni doesn't have anything against defensive wings, and he doesn't tell them to not play defense, he just didn't preach it and those players just so happened to be good defenders.

The fact that Korver is a three point shooter would be reason enough if you want to go for who fits D'antoni's style, whether or not they play defense is irrelevant in this case.


And it isn't up to D'antoni as much as it's up to Mitch.  I doubt Mitch wants that guy, he's learned his lesson with Kapono and Meeks, you'd figure they are going after Webster for a reason.   Especially over someone like Korver.

The idea is to find guys that can minimize Kobe's minutes, another one dimensional 3 point shooter isn't gonna do it.

No question, Bell and Marion, in their primes were good defenders.  But they weren't there to play defense.  Those teams, despite some really athletic players had no commitment to defense, but were jacking 3's at close to 2,000/ year.  If they had played defense anywhere near to the level that they were capable, they would have been in the finals at least once in all liklihood, maybe more.

 

Lets see, Coach Moron was the HC in Phoenix from 2003 (61 games) through 2008.  Lets take a look at the team's defensive "prowess":

2003/4  Defensive rank was 24/29, no Bell or Nash

2004/5  17/30, no Bell

2005/6  16/30

2006/7  13/30

2007/8  16/30

 

There's just no excuse for those kind of defensive numbers given the athletes those teams had.



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Posted May 09, 2013 - 09:11 PM

No question, Bell and Marion, in their primes were good defenders.  But they weren't there to play defense.  Those teams, despite some really athletic players had no commitment to defense, but were jacking 3's at close to 2,000/ year.  If they had played defense anywhere near to the level that they were capable, they would have been in the finals at least once in all liklihood, maybe more.

 

Lets see, Coach Moron was the HC in Phoenix from 2003 (61 games) through 2008.  Lets take a look at the team's defensive "prowess":

2003/4  Defensive rank was 24/29, no Bell or Nash

2004/5  17/30, no Bell

2005/6  16/30

2006/7  13/30

2007/8  16/30

 

There's just no excuse for those kind of defensive numbers given the athletes those teams had.


Oh I agree there.  Was just mentioning the defensive skills of some of the wings.

They weren't there for defense, because it didn't factor in either way as long as they could make perimeter shots, or cut effectively(like Marion).

So we agree there.


Edited by Majesty, May 09, 2013 - 09:13 PM.

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Posted May 09, 2013 - 10:51 PM

don't want Korver here anyway... He sucks on defense and can't create his own shot... I'm tired of these shooters who just stand around and chuck



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Posted May 09, 2013 - 10:56 PM

Korver no longer an option

Korver understands the business side of the league and isn’t worried about going through the free agency process. In fact, the veteran is looking forward to it. Korver will turn 32 on March 17 and is looking to secure a multi-year deal as he rounds out his playing career.



Not gonna get that from the Lakers, he isn't "finishing his career" here.

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Posted May 09, 2013 - 11:29 PM

Jason Kapono part 2.






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