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#81 Real Deal

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Posted May 03, 2013 - 09:51 PM

That's so stupid... If we aren't going to make a run next year what's the point of trading him?!? to get more contracts for players with longer contracts that will tie up the books again!??!

 

Just wait it out and let Kobe and Pau conract expire so we will have 50 million in cap space to do what ever we want

Kobe and Gasol expiring won't give us $50 million in cap space.  It will take $50 million off our payroll, but not give us that amount in space.

 

Howard and Nash, who will be signed in 2014, will chew up about $30 million (roughly).  If cap is set to around $60 million, and we have absolutely NOBODY left on the roster (just two players, which is unlikely, because we have to have a team next season), we would only have approx. $30 million in cap space.

 

But we'll likely re-sign Kobe for $10-15 million (depending on his health), and have other players on board, so one max deal is probably the best we'll see out of it.



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Posted May 03, 2013 - 11:12 PM

Kobe and Gasol expiring won't give us $50 million in cap space.  It will take $50 million off our payroll, but not give us that amount in space.

 

Howard and Nash, who will be signed in 2014, will chew up about $30 million (roughly).  If cap is set to around $60 million, and we have absolutely NOBODY left on the roster (just two players, which is unlikely, because we have to have a team next season), we would only have approx. $30 million in cap space.

 

But we'll likely re-sign Kobe for $10-15 million (depending on his health), and have other players on board, so one max deal is probably the best we'll see out of it.

 

 

 

I think the Lakers have a bit a of leverage on Kobe, regarding the 2014 off-season. Since they choose not to use amnesty on him, they could tell him that they in return hope that he'll shown them a bit of courtesy during negotiations and perhaps sign a back-loaded deal or perhaps sign a small one-year deal, retaining his Bird rights, and then a bigger one the following year.

 

Another point: Nash can be waived using the "stretch provision", which allows the Lakers to pay him 3 million / yr over 3 years, rather than 9 million for one year. 



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Posted May 04, 2013 - 12:49 AM

I think the Lakers have a bit a of leverage on Kobe, regarding the 2014 off-season. Since they choose not to use amnesty on him, they could tell him that they in return hope that he'll shown them a bit of courtesy during negotiations and perhaps sign a back-loaded deal or perhaps sign a small one-year deal, retaining his Bird rights, and then a bigger one the following year.

 

Another point: Nash can be waived using the "stretch provision", which allows the Lakers to pay him 3 million / yr over 3 years, rather than 9 million for one year. 

Taking $10 million for the 2014-15 season (Kobe) would be very generous of him if he's still giving us 20 points a night, especially compared to his current $30 million (well, what he'll make next season).  Look at what Pierce and Garnett are making right now...and Nash is at $9.3 million, playing at the level of a backup PG.

 

The extra $6 million will be nice if we decide to stretch Nash's contract, but would we actually waive him?  And if so, it would still only give us one max deal to work with + basically an MLE (and again, that's assuming we find a way to clear most of our roster out after filling it for next season).



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Posted May 04, 2013 - 12:51 AM

One max deal for LeBron or Kyrie in 2015.  :fist: *Dreaming*  :nod:


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Posted May 04, 2013 - 01:24 AM

Kobe and Gasol expiring won't give us $50 million in cap space.  It will take $50 million off our payroll, but not give us that amount in space.

 

Howard and Nash, who will be signed in 2014, will chew up about $30 million (roughly).  If cap is set to around $60 million, and we have absolutely NOBODY left on the roster (just two players, which is unlikely, because we have to have a team next season), we would only have approx. $30 million in cap space.

 

But we'll likely re-sign Kobe for $10-15 million (depending on his health), and have other players on board, so one max deal is probably the best we'll see out of it.

 

season after next - kobe +max FA+ dwight is good enough.

 

and then after that season ; hopefully its possible to sign a max FA in 2015 as well.



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Posted May 04, 2013 - 07:39 AM

The Lakers should use the stretch option on Nash in 2014. It'll lessen his cap hit that year, and spread it amongst 3 years if I have that correctly.

 

But, yeah. It'll be tough to have 3 maxes on a single team with the new CBA. That's why there's talk even Miami will have to break up their team. If the big 3 don't want to continue taking less than max like they have been, then they might have to.


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Posted May 04, 2013 - 11:33 AM

Another thing about 2014 cap room: In a perfect world, the Lakers would be able to retain Dwight while maintaining that room.

 

But, what if the Lakers need to make moves to retain him like the Nets did for Deron Williams? The Lakers wouldn't hesitate to sacrifice that cap room to retain Dwight.


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Posted May 04, 2013 - 11:50 AM

Another thing about 2014 cap room: In a perfect world, the Lakers would be able to retain Dwight while maintaining that room.

 

But, what if the Lakers need to make moves to retain him like the Nets did for Deron Williams? The Lakers wouldn't hesitate to sacrifice that cap room to retain Dwight.


If the Lakers gave Dwight a max contract this year they'd have enough cap room for a max contract in 2014 regardless.


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Posted May 04, 2013 - 12:00 PM

It's so unfair how much money our state takes away with taxes though, especially when compared to plenty other states including Florida especially (absolutely nothing). It's always something to factor in when dealing with these things that I believe is not mentioned enough as a factor. It's quite an unfortunate disadvantage.


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Posted May 04, 2013 - 12:04 PM


If the Lakers gave Dwight a max contract this year they'd have enough cap room for a max contract in 2014 regardless.

 

Not if the Lakers trade for other contracts that go beyond next season.


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Posted May 04, 2013 - 01:09 PM

If we are healthy, what teams will be better than us next season?

Warriors had a negative point differential.
Chris Paul led teams don't scare me.

I see us winning our division with a healthy Dwight and I am under the impression that Nash will give us more next season.

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Posted May 04, 2013 - 01:38 PM

Quite a few if MDA is still the coach and Pau Gasol is still on the roster

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Posted May 05, 2013 - 01:33 PM

Kobe and Gasol expiring won't give us $50 million in cap space.  It will take $50 million off our payroll, but not give us that amount in space.

 

Howard and Nash, who will be signed in 2014, will chew up about $30 million (roughly).  If cap is set to around $60 million, and we have absolutely NOBODY left on the roster (just two players, which is unlikely, because we have to have a team next season), we would only have approx. $30 million in cap space.

 

But we'll likely re-sign Kobe for $10-15 million (depending on his health), and have other players on board, so one max deal is probably the best we'll see out of it.

OKAY not 50 million in cap space but off the Payroll but the general concensus is that if will give us a lot of options on who we want to sign and bring back.... There will be A LOT of free agents... so we will see what happens. 

 

and are you implying that keeping Pau on the roster for one year to try to sign a lot of players in the 2014 season is a bad idea?






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