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#121 Ham

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Posted May 09, 2013 - 06:29 PM

lol 3 million is mini-mid level isn't it

 

Full MLE is 5mill


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Posted May 09, 2013 - 06:31 PM

lol 3 million is mini-mid level isn't it

 

Full MLE is 5mill


Yes

We can spend the mid level MLE to get Tony Allen, that's the point anyway.   

By full it meant the full 3 million as opposed to splitting it among two players.

Which is the point of Tony Allen being brought up.

He's an unrestricted free-agent making about that right now.    Have any thoughts about it?


Edited by Majesty, May 09, 2013 - 06:36 PM.

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Posted May 09, 2013 - 06:36 PM


Yes

We can spend the mid level MLE to get Tony Allen, that's the point anyway.   

By full it meant the full 3 million as opposed to splitting it among two players.

Which is the point of Tony Allen being brought up.

He's an unrestricted free-agent making about that right now.

Oh you confused the [expletive] outta me. For clarification, MLE stands for Mid Level Exception (5 Million). You just said Mid Level Mid Level Exception ... thats why people call it miniMLE to avoid confusion because teams only get 3 million when they paid tax in the previous season.


Edited by Ham, May 09, 2013 - 06:37 PM.

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Posted May 09, 2013 - 06:42 PM

Oh you confused the [expletive] outta me. For clarification, MLE stands for Mid Level Exception (5 Million). You just said Mid Level Mid Level Exception ... thats why people call it miniMLE to avoid confusion because teams only get 3 million when they paid tax in the previous season.



Well then we can get Tony Allen for the miniMLE :)

Thoughts?


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Posted May 09, 2013 - 07:09 PM

it's GREAT that this Tony Allen discussion has come up.


As all signs now are that the Lakers will NOT be going after Korver.


Korver is apparently seeking a multi-year contract to finish out his career which the Lakers aren't gonna give to him.


Korver understands the business side of the league and isn’t worried about going through the free agency process. In fact, the veteran is looking forward to it. Korver will turn 32 on March 17 and is looking to secure a multi-year deal as he rounds out his playing career.



I'll take Tony Allen over Korver.

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Posted May 09, 2013 - 07:36 PM



Well then we can get Tony Allen for the miniMLE :)

Thoughts?

Get him if possible. Don't count on it though Memphis wouldn't give him up.


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Posted May 09, 2013 - 08:09 PM

Get him if possible. Don't count on it though Memphis wouldn't give him up.


If they paid more than us to keep him they'd be hurting themselves imo.

I like this talk though.

Adding Tony Allen and Brewer to our bench can REALLY help us out on the defensive perimeter.


Actually just thinking about the defense from those three

Brewer, Allen, Dwight(should he resign), with Hill thrown in there too.  I think would be great defensively. 

Looks like we're sacrificing some scoring for defense cause our starting lineup is counted on for the scoring and the bench will be more of a grind it out defensive lineup and then it will be mixed and matched with our starters. . 

I'm fine with that to be honest.

if we ran a lineup while Kobe and Nash sat
 
of

Blake
Allen
Brewer
Howard

We'd be fine defensively

Or if you ran a lineup with

Nash
Allen
brewer
Howard

 Allen and Brewer would make up for Nash's defensive inefficiencies

Would save Kobe some time as well.


It's MUCH more consistent to depend on your bench keeping you in games because they are defensively capable and can get high percentage shots at the basket as opposed to your bench keeping you in games whether or not they are hot from the three point line.


Would keep Kobe on the bench longer that's for sure.

"Well this player is OFF today from the perimeter" is much more likely to happen and bring Kobe off the bench than "Well this player is OFF today defensively"  especially with Dwight making up for it on that end.

I like it really.


Edited by Majesty, May 09, 2013 - 08:13 PM.

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Posted May 09, 2013 - 08:26 PM


If they paid more than us to keep him they'd be hurting themselves imo.

I like this talk though.

Adding Tony Allen and Brewer to our bench can REALLY help us out on the defensive perimeter.


Actually just thinking about the defense from those three

Brewer, Allen, Dwight(should he resign), with Hill thrown in there too.  I think would be great defensively. 

Looks like we're sacrificing some scoring for defense cause our starting lineup is counted on for the scoring and the bench will be more of a grind it out defensive lineup and then it will be mixed and matched with our starters. . 

I'm fine with that to be honest.

if we ran a lineup while Kobe and Nash sat
 
of

Blake
Allen
Brewer
Howard

We'd be fine defensively

Or if you ran a lineup with

Nash
Allen
brewer
Howard

 Allen and Brewer would make up for Nash's defensive inefficiencies

Would save Kobe some time as well.


It's MUCH more consistent to depend on your bench keeping you in games because they are defensively capable and can get high percentage shots at the basket as opposed to your bench keeping you in games whether or not they are hot from the three point line.


Would keep Kobe on the bench longer that's for sure.

"Well this player is OFF today from the perimeter" is much more likely to happen and bring Kobe off the bench than "Well this player is OFF today defensively"  especially with Dwight making up for it on that end.

I like it really.

We also need a knock down shooter/ someone who can create there own shot to open up options.


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Posted May 10, 2013 - 05:13 PM

Here's a list of some of the players I think the Lakers should pursue. Most are realistic options and a lot have been mentioned already.

Point Guards:

I don't see us doing much here. Unless we trade Blake and Duhon is bought out.

Nate Robinson - undersized but legit scorer and 6th man off bench. Would most likely have to use all MMLE on him though and that may not be enough. Also I don't think Nate is a DAntoni fan lol. Never no though can at least enquire.

Delonte West - Headcase but worth a risk. Combo guard who could give defensive help on the perimeter. Also comes cheap which is what we need.

Randy Foye - Another combo guard. Could bring scoring and outside shooting. Would most likely have to use MMLE on him. Would prefer to use it on wing player but wouldnt mind Foye.

Shooting Guard:

Quite a few options here even with our limited money to offer.

Tony Allen - One of the best perimeter defenders in the game. Obviously offensively limited but his defense makes up for it. We can offer MMLE which he is basically on now. Not sure whether he leaves a contender like Memphis, never know though.

Leandro Barbosa - A combo guard who like Nate would be a legit scorer and 6th man off bench. Also could be had for cheap. Depends how he comes back from injury though.

Ronnie Brewer - A good perimeter defender who can be had for vet min. Not great offensively but is a good slasher type wing. Would be awesome bargain pick up.

Martell Webster - my first option to use MMLE on. Good swingman who is exactly what we need whether at SG or SF. Brings athleticism and great 3 point shooting. Can play at both ends which is also needed. Would offer starting spot at either SG or SF depending on Kobes preference when he returns. Make it happen FO!!!

Chris Douglas Roberts - Athletic wing that can be had for dirt cheap. Not one of my 1st options but I'd love to have him on our roster at the end of our bench. Would be a good guy to have that when his number is called has the ability to step up. Has a good work ethic as endorsed by Kobe.

Small Forward:

Corey Brewer - Athletic with length and speed. Streaky offensively but is a good defender. Would probably have to use MMLE. His stocks possibly down though after his playoff performance.

Dorell Wright - Another long athletic wing. Also a solid outside shooter and can play defense. His shooting was off a bit this season though. Would have to take a paycut of nearly a mill. We would have to use MMLE.

Matt Barnes - Old but showed this year can still play. Can be had for vet min and is a hustle player that every team needs.

Alan Anderson - Athletic wing that can be had for cheap. Good defender and while not a strong shooter can score.

Cartier Martin - Athletic wing with size who is a decent 3 point shooter. Would only be a end of the bench guy. Could be had for vet min and has shown when given minutes can contribute.

Chase Budinger - Young wing who is a decent shooter. Would have to offer the MMLE which may not be enough. Worth a enquire though.

Power Forwards:

As long as we retain Clark and Gasol isn't traded we are solid at PF as Hill can also play there as well. We don't really need to add anyone. Just backup insurance guys.

Dejuan Blair - Would be nice guy to have for insurance purposes and can play both frontcourt spots. A good hustle guy that knows his role.

Chris Wilcox - A cheap big who does the dirty work. Insurance guy like Dejuan.

Lamar Odom - For vet min possibly worth the risk. Game has regressed along with age. Could still come in handy but I'd pursue other options first.

Center:

Unless we don't retain Sacre, like PF we don't really need anyone.

Ronny Turiaf - Hustle and energy guy who can be had for vet min. Great bench guy!!!

Chris Anderson - Another hustle and energy player who can be had for cheap.

Nazr Mohammed - Old but can still play decent D. Good insurance guy at C and end of rotation guy that can be had for vet min.

While a lot of these players are realistically obtainable players we probably only pick up a few players through free agency. Trades is obviously the other. The main area of improvement needed is on the wing so obviously that should be our main focus. If we can
strengthen other areas would be great but not essential. Bring on Draft day then Free Agency though not expecting major moves. Never say never I suppose!!!

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Posted May 12, 2013 - 09:22 AM

Ask IGGY to sign MMLE


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Posted May 12, 2013 - 07:02 PM

How many guys out there are actually specialist  defenders and dont suck on offense like 12-15? (Danny Green, Kawhi Leonard, Thabo, Shane Battier, Mario Chalmers, Corey Brewer, Delfino, Hinrich, Jimmy Butler, Luol Deng, Eric Bledsoe, Iman Shumpert, Randy Foye, Avery Bradley, Courtney Lee, Francisco Garcia...Ariza used to be here)...heck even Tony Allen has to be substituted out late in games & during critical stretches. PG/SG/SF is a true skill position on offense we cant have black holes here like in the past...we can get away with that when it comes to PF/C position as they can be used to set screens (Ibaka, Perskins, Haslem, Asik, Collison, Chandler, Taj Gibson, Hansbrough come to mind)

I mean these types of NBA above average defenders are so hard to find...2 way players like Holliday, Conley, Iguodala, Paul George are above average on both ends & can hold their own on Defense but they're stars and we're talking about adding perimeter role players here. Its really hard to find guys who lock up other NBA players & not suck on offense we just need to find players who can hit 3s and hope they play adequate defense (like Sasha did in 2008)...Wright, Morrow, Dunleavy fit the bill IMO

 

Somene whos sneaky and under the radar is Omri Casspi. Hes very much like Sasha where he gives everything he has and sometimes that can lead to bonehead fouls/T's but at least he brings intensity on D and can hit 3s (35% for his career in 4yrs in SAC/CLE)


Edited by MDI, May 12, 2013 - 07:10 PM.

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Posted May 13, 2013 - 05:17 AM

Bring Bynum back

With all tho respect but did you see what he did to Philadelphia?

Not playing all year all though doctors call him fit? leaving the team with a big gap.

Leaving LA cause he doenst want to get a new contract. This guy is not going to get back.

He still will be expensive and doenst bring that motivating really want to play in the purple and gold.

 

Also get rid of Howard please. What we learned about all of him? He cant shoot free throws and he cant take the team to a higher level.

Teams still we comup with this hack a howard team and he is way to expensive.

 

I say get rid of him and trying to go for Gordon he will be cheaper. Get some cheap center and play more run and gun offense, Thats how D'Antoni likes it. With fast young players try everything hire Paul ( get rid of that Clipper team) and Young for bench he bring extra of energy



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Posted May 13, 2013 - 05:20 AM

Gasol for iguadola would be awesome for LA



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Posted May 13, 2013 - 05:40 AM

What MDA likes doesn't produce results.

DH being terrible at the stripe is not a revelation. DH won't be able to accomplish anything here because at the very core of our problem lies MDA.

Gasol for Iggy would be ridiculous for Denver

Pau Gasol is GONE


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Posted May 13, 2013 - 10:23 PM

A free agent becomes be restricted when their team issues a Qualifying Offer.  Only players coming off a first-round rookie scale contract or with three or fewer years in the league (whose rookie scale options were not declined) are eligible.  Teams need to officially issue that Offer by June 30, 2013, to make a player restricted.



http://www.hoopsworl...nba-free-agents
 


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Posted May 13, 2013 - 10:42 PM

http://www.hoopsworl...nba-free-agents
 



And restricted means that another team could offer more money and the previous team has to match right?

Which means we'd have to match or overpay what they were willing to in order to get certain players.


Edited by Majesty, May 13, 2013 - 10:45 PM.

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Posted May 14, 2013 - 03:40 PM

Here are the guys I hope they go for (provided some of them don't invoke their player option and depending on who we keep/let go)

 

Backcourt: Jerryd Bayless, Leandro Barbosa, OJ Mayo, DeShawn Stevenson, Ronnie Brewer, Martell Webster

 

Frontcourt: CJ Miles, Corey Brewer, Chase Budinger, Andray Blatche, Carl Landry, Dejuan Blair, JJ Hickson, 

 

Pretty sure they all make less than $4 mill, lot of them make well under that. I'm hoping we let Ebanks, Morris, and Meeks go. After Blakes' strong play this season and the fact that he's an expiring contract, maybe someone would want him for a second round pick or send back someone very cheap, then amnesty Metta or Pau. That should give enough space to make a few additions and resign Dwight and Clark. 

 

I realize the amnesty part and moving Steve Blake isn't exactly realistic, but that would basically be my version of a perfect offseason. 



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Posted May 14, 2013 - 08:51 PM

True or False? The Lakers may trade Pau to any team far under the cap

Example
Pau for Austin Rivers

The Pelicans are like millions under the cap... Like at 35 mil... Can they absorb all of Pau's contract and we just get Austin?
Just wondering.
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#139 Majesty

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Posted May 14, 2013 - 08:54 PM

True or False? The Lakers may trade Pau to any team far under the cap

Example
Pau for Austin Rivers

The Pelicans are like millions under the cap... Like at 35 mil... Can they absorb all of Pau's contract and we just get Austin?
Just wondering.


If we trade Pau we'd have to get within a percentage of the financial value back.

If we traded Pau in a sign and trade we wouldn't be allowed to receive players, just one huge Trade exception.


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Posted May 15, 2013 - 04:42 AM


If we trade Pau we'd have to get within a percentage of the financial value back.

If we traded Pau in a sign and trade we wouldn't be allowed to receive players, just one huge Trade exception.

Not correct.

We can trade Pau to a team under the cap and get back less money.

We cant receive anyone in a sign-and-trade and we can only send out players in a sign-and-trade to a team under the cap.

 

In other words, we can trade Pau to New Orleans for Austin Rivers.

We can trade Dwight to Atlanta for Horford in a sign-and-trade, but not to the Knicks for Tyson Chandler in a sign-and-trade.

 

You can find answers at www.cbafaq.com or here: http://cbafaq.com/blog/?p=233


Edited by DanishLakerFan, May 15, 2013 - 04:56 AM.





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