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#1 bigfetz

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Posted April 18, 2013 - 01:35 PM

Gregg Popovich is notorious for resting players and managing minutes very well. Though this season shows that no matter what you do players still get hurt. The spurs are really injured right now going into the playoffs. 

 

Parker averaged 32 mins a game. That was the highest on the team. Parker right now is battling injurys and as we saw when we played the spurs he was a non factor in the game. Blake easily shut him down. 

 

So is pops resting tactic really working? The guy hasn't won a ring since 2007 and the team just seems to fail in the playoffs due to injurys every year. 

 

If pop wanted to win the best record in a 82 game season he could do it. He's great at that but he only gets teams for that. Though after that long season even with the great minute managing and resting you just can't keep a guy from getting hurt. 

 

Parker,Ginoblii, diaw all dealing with bad injurys. 

 

Im not really applying this to the kobe injury though. Him playing 48 minutes a game definitely was one reason he was injured but we were in a tight spot and we needed wins. 

 

People get injured and theres nothing you can do about it. Best thing to do is get players who dont get hurt. Parker, Ginoblii, some what duncan are injury prone players. At least they are now. Thats why they fail so much in the playoffs. 

 

A lot of this stuff of course is luck but we need to focus on getting players who can take the 82 game season. A guy like Hill for instance is a great player but he is so injury prone. He seems to always be hurt. A big reason why I think we should move on from him. Nash also injury prone. He missed 32 games this season and we will be lucky to get him for the 1st round of the playoffs. 

 

The main point here is we can't just get player who are known to get injured, try to manage there minutes really well and hope for the best. We need to get players who can with stand the 82 game season over anything.



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Posted April 18, 2013 - 01:41 PM

We'll find out.  

 

We are sort of in a new era of the NBA where guys play at a high level for much, much longer,  Duncan, Kobe, others represent a historical anomaly, but perhaps what will become a new normal for NBA players.

 

Even though they play much longer (older), they still need rest, because at the end of the day, their bodies are more susceptible to serious injury with less exertion than are younger counterparts.  


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Posted April 18, 2013 - 01:43 PM

We'll find out.  

 

We are sort of in a new era of the NBA where guys play at a high level for much, much longer,  Duncan, Kobe, others represent a historical anomaly, but perhaps what will become a new normal for NBA players.

 

Even though they play much longer (older), they still need rest, because at the end of the day, their bodies are more susceptible to serious injury with less exertion than are younger counterparts.  

 

Yea and like I said 48 mins a game is a reason why kobe got hurt. You cant play any player like you did with kobe and not get risk injury. Its more of the keeping guys that are very injury prone like Ginoblii, or Jordan hill and having to really keep there minutes low and just hoping they will make it to the playoffs healthy. I feel like that strategy is just way to risky and in the end seems to always end badly



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Posted April 18, 2013 - 02:15 PM

I think a lot of the Spurs' recent playoff woes come from the lack of a superstar personally. 



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Posted April 18, 2013 - 03:11 PM

Pop has had very little turnover in his core over the last 10 years.  How many different starting Cs and PFs and PGs have we had since 2004?

 

We have literally had one player on this roster for more than 5 years and that is Kobe Bryant.

 

When you have the same players year in and year out and they develop chemistry, it's easier to go out and find pieces to fill needs and maintain similar efficiency when a player sits.  That can't happen when you change players like you change underwear...

 

 

Pop's method ONLY works because he knows what he has, the team knows the system and he has a method to his madness.  It's not something you can replicate willy-nilly...


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Posted April 18, 2013 - 04:04 PM

with his core, absolutely.



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Posted April 18, 2013 - 04:13 PM

He thinks so, and he is consistently one of the best coaches in the NBA, every season.  His teams are well coached, do exactly what he wants, and he doesn't take any back-talk, and Pops' handling of Stephen Jackson is evidence that the Spurs are HIS team, and what he says goes--period. 



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Posted April 18, 2013 - 04:22 PM

He thinks so, and he is consistently one of the best coaches in the NBA, every season.  His teams are well coached, do exactly what he wants, and he doesn't take any back-talk, and Pops' handling of Stephen Jackson is evidence that the Spurs are HIS team, and what he says goes--period. 

 

 

Only works in small markets.  Superstars run Big Market teams...not the coaches.


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Posted April 18, 2013 - 04:29 PM

Only works in small markets.  Superstars run Big Market teams...not the coaches.

A good coach runs the team (like PJ). Not bad coaches like the 2 we've had.



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Posted April 18, 2013 - 04:39 PM

A good coach runs the team (like PJ). Not bad coaches like the 2 we've had.

 

 

PJ didn't run the team.  He MANAGED egos.  He taught them how to think more than anything else.  He didn't preach defense.  He didn't run a lot of P&R.  He didn't have a ton of set plays.  He allowed the Stars freedom while teaching them how to integrate the team in his system.

 

PJ NEVER "controlled" the team.  He even encouraged Kobe/Shaq beef to use the drama as fuel...

 

PJ and Pop are polar opposites when it comes to coaching...


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Posted April 18, 2013 - 05:17 PM

PJ NEVER "controlled" the team.  He even encouraged Kobe/Shaq beef to use the drama as fuel...

 

Ain't no better way to control something than to make everyone think you're not controlling it.  PJ was the MASTER.



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Posted April 18, 2013 - 06:14 PM

Ain't no better way to control something than to make everyone think you're not controlling it.  PJ was the MASTER.

 

While agree he controlled egos and drama, that's not the same as Pop.  Pop IS the LAW when it comes to the Spurs...from personnel decisions to drawing up last second plays.  He teaches the offense, the defense and he is a no non-sense type of coach.  He butt heads with Tony Parker many times but Parker always had to back down.

 

Management supports every decision he makes, on and off the court.

 

 

When you have that much power, you can do things like rest your players at strategic times.  Not every coach can do that.


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Posted April 18, 2013 - 11:23 PM

I don't really think it's injuries to be honest. I mean, they did advance to the WCF last year. The reason San Antonio has underachieved is more because they can't match teams with superstar talent. Tim Duncan isn't in his prime anymore and he can't carry them through a series like he did 6-7 years ago. It's not going to happen. If a team forces their play through their stars (like OKC last season) or has two players playing at an elite level against them (like Memphis in 2011), then they'll fall in the playoffs each and every time. Their depth means nothing in the postseason with shortened rotations and stars logging more minutes. You can't match that individual quality of play with depth.

 

The league has always been about superstars. They will carry you through the postseason. Aside from a few outliers in NBA history, teams need a superstar if they hope to win a championship. The Spurs don't have that anymore, which is the biggest reason why they haven't made any noise in 6 years.



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Posted April 19, 2013 - 12:12 AM

I think everything the Spurs organisation does, is the way to go. All the way from resting their guys at times, managing minutes, having a long-tem system on both offense and defense, as well as their ability to find impact guys late in the draft and signing players with specific abilities to help their team.

 

That his guys still get hurt is what can be expected given the age of their guys. Unfortunately for them, the injuries have hit at unfortunate times (playoffs).



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Posted April 19, 2013 - 07:28 AM

[expletive] em. Hate SA like I hate Boston.

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Posted April 19, 2013 - 08:07 AM

As good as he is, I'm gonna say Pop has peaked as a coach. 


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Posted April 19, 2013 - 10:04 AM

Yes, with his team it is the way to go. It helps to always be so consistently good that you have the opportunity to give away a few games a year with resting.

Older teams like the Spurs and us should try to get rest for our older players whenever we can. It's no secret that the players were overworked under Brown and MDA

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Posted April 19, 2013 - 10:19 AM

If his tactic work so well, how come the Spurs were out of the playoffs the pass 2 years or so? Last I check they had a great record both those season. They were actually number 1 in all the NBA last year.  Apparently Pop miss something.


MDA is an offensive genius. I hope he sticks to his guns and keeps doing what he does best: Run and Gun. That's the only way to coach.


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Posted April 19, 2013 - 12:06 PM

Perhaps resting the main players before the post season makes it to where you have 0 momentum going into the playoffs. 


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Posted April 20, 2013 - 07:51 AM

Only when you have the type of team & discipline he demands. when reserves can replace the starters & still win in regular season easily & routinely = then of course you monitor minutes = common sense. does that mean they win titles = no. But its better to have your best players as close to 100% as possible.


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