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#1 MDI

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Posted April 06, 2013 - 11:15 PM

Theres gonna come a point in time in the playoffs where D'Antoni has to choose between Pau and Dwight and make offense for defense substitutions, they play much better without each other on the court, its ridiculous.  During Hack a Dwight and when we're up 8-10 points I think we have to take Dwight out because we're ridiculously solid on offense with Pau/Kobe working together....on the other hand if we're getting destroyed defensively and Pau is not having a good game first 3Q he needs to be sat during critical moments of the 4th, hes not gonna an offensive outburst in 4th Q when its Kobe time anyways

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According to the Elias Sports Bureau, with just Bryant and Gasol on the court together (and Dwight Howard off the court) Friday night, the Lakers had a plus/minus rating of plus-46 over 12 minutes. With just Bryant and Gasol on the court this season (and Howard and Nash off the court), the Lakers have a plus-20.4 rating, the highest of any of their two-man combinations.

Due to injuries, it's a smaller sample size than their other two-man games. But because of their history together, and the implications for the Lakers' future, there's a significance to it.

"We're both knowledgable players. We both have high basketball IQs," Gasol said after scoring 19 points on 8-of-14 shooting against the Grizzlies.

"We've played with each other the longest, for sure. That was always a constant in the past. It seemed to work pretty well and I think it's just smart if we continue to do that. Not for ourselves, but for the rest of the guys."

Gasol is still troubled by the torn plantar fascia in his right foot. It gets progressively sore as the game goes on. But he's used to it by now.


And frankly, at this point, with just six games left in the Lakers' regular season and potentially his Lakers career, he might as well give what he can while there's still time to make a difference.


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Posted April 06, 2013 - 11:36 PM

Pau plays bad next two games and you wouldnt see people talk about Pau/Dwight..

 

What i mean is people will continue to speculate and make assumptions even though some numbers prove their point, Pau is better offensively while Dwight defensively, they should learn to play together and their in a process that i hope it doesnt take long ..

 

 

I dont know how many games they played together but its tough and they should figure it out.. 



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Posted April 06, 2013 - 11:51 PM

So because of one game where pau and kobe were on together and dwight was out and they did well that means they are "ridiculously solid on offense with Pau/Kobe". This is like all the talk about kobe/pau P&R is clicking because of that one P&R they did at the end of the game. If they do it at a consistant basis for the next 6 games ok I concede you are right but one game. Come on.

 

Also that huge plus/minus came from that big run in the end of the 3rd and a huge reason why we went on that run was jamison. He put up 5 points in that run. Kobe put up 4, blake had 3, clark had 2 and pau had 2. 

 

So I fail to see why a 5 and half minute run where paus entire contribution was 2 points and a rebound means means that him and kobe are "ridiculously solid on offense".



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Posted April 07, 2013 - 12:20 AM

Plus/minus numbers are horrible to use, for any reason.  Tells a player's effectiveness with a starting five unit, not necessarily what he does on the court (by himself or with 1-2 other guys).

 

So this starting five: 

 

C - Gasol

PF - Jamison

SF - Ebanks

SG - Kobe

PG - Duhon

 

Would probably have a pretty bad plus/minus stat compared to their typical fives.

 

Also, it depends on the match-ups, and who the other team has out on the court at the time, of course.

 

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With that said, you CAN pull Howard with 3-4 minutes to go (until two minutes on the clock) IF you insert Earl Clark into the four position, Gasol at the five, maybe Ron (when he returns) at the three, Blake at the one...to counter defensive issues that you'll be faced with while Howard is on the bench.

 

Basketball is a game of strategy.  When you see a weakness, you simply attack it.  When your opponent counters something, you counter back.

 

D'Antoni is not a strategic coach, and that's why Kobe plays 47 minutes a game now.  So, is there reason to expect anything will change?  Nah.



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Posted April 07, 2013 - 01:41 AM

Many teams that really tried Hack a Dwight this year had it blow up in their face. Orlando and Dallas are good examples of that. Until it becomes a serious issue I wouldn't recommend pulling Dwight from the game, especially since it might mess with his confidence issues and such.

 

The only teams in the West I envision using Hack a Dwight anyways in the playoffs are the Spurs (Pop once hacked Shaq in the first minute of a game for kicks) and the Warriors (Mark Jackson caused Dwight to break Wilt's FT record last season because of it). So unless we play San Antonio and Dwight starts bricking freethrows in the final minutes at a high rate, I don't see the point. 


Edited by bfc1125roy, April 07, 2013 - 01:42 AM.


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Posted April 07, 2013 - 02:39 AM

Pau always does better at the center position.

 

He's a natural center, when he plays there the team runs much smoother (even with D'Antoni pretending to coach).



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Posted April 07, 2013 - 04:06 AM

Yes, we won two championships with this strategy. It should still work despite the fact that Pau's fading fast.



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Posted April 07, 2013 - 05:33 AM

if were ahead in the score and a team starts hack a dwight, kobe/Pau in the 2 man game is a good fall back to finish the game. Its much better than chucking 3's to close a game.


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Posted April 07, 2013 - 06:50 AM

Solution to Hack-A-Dwight is for him to make half his FTs.

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Posted April 07, 2013 - 08:35 AM

Honestly, Pau has always been an above average player for the Lakers.  Its just the fact that he gets payed 19 million is what sometimes upsets people due to his sometimes poor performances and inconsistencies. 

 

Without a doubt his play benefits this team and it has shown the last few games, all we can do is applaud and hope he continues to play this way.  If not, the Lakers won't make it far because of all the injury setbacks.  


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Posted April 07, 2013 - 10:00 AM

The best solution for hack-a-dwight is dwight making his free throws and us playing defense on the other end. If we stop them defensively then it won't matter

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Posted April 07, 2013 - 10:18 AM

The best solution for hack-a-dwight is dwight making his free throws and us playing defense on the other end. If we stop them defensively then it won't matter

 

So the best solution is for a guy that has shot the most free throws in the league at a 48% clip for the season and a team that ranks 24th out of 30 teams in giving up points after 75 plus games in a season to just magically start doing the opposite.  Seems extremely likely.    



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Posted April 07, 2013 - 10:45 AM

Pau always does better at the center position.

 

He's a natural center, when he plays there the team runs much smoother (even with D'Antoni pretending to coach).

He plays better OFFENSIVELY.

 

Defensively, we are vulnerable with Pau covering the paint. That is when most teams go on a run against us.


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Posted April 07, 2013 - 10:57 AM

Pau plays better when he's locked in and focused. The problem is that on too many possessions he forgets that he's 7'1.



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Posted April 07, 2013 - 11:02 AM

So the best solution is for a guy that has shot the most free throws in the league at a 48% clip for the season and a team that ranks 24th out of 30 teams in giving up points after 75 plus games in a season to just magically start doing the opposite. Seems extremely likely.



I love that you ignored the playing defense on the other end if he missed the free throws quote. Because then you'd have to say "and that a leading defensive player of the year stop the drives on the other end if he misses."

Hack-A-Dwight only works if we don't stop them on the other end, regardless of if he makes it or not.

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Posted April 07, 2013 - 12:10 PM

All talk, though.  We aren't a good defensive team, currently bottom half of the league.

 

We have to play well on offense to make up for our defensive shortcomings.

 

That would be like me saying, "Hey, the Miami Heat would be one of the bottom four seeds in the East if teams stopped them from scoring for the last three minutes of every game."

 

It just doesn't happen that way.

 

And the idea that we can play with Kobe/Gasol, and be a better team, has been tossed out the window by this Clippers team, if you guys are watching.  Again, plus/minus stats are ridiculous.

 

Every year, we do this.  We sugarcoat our problems, as fans, and it's possible the players are guilty of this as well.

 

We are the 8th-seeded team for a reason.  Fully healthy, all year, we'd still lose the division to the Clippers...and that means we aren't good enough.

 

We don't have the coach to win it all.  We don't have the legs.  We don't have the defensive presence.  We don't have the offensive consistency and variety (relying on Kobe far too much).  This has been the story all year long, and it has yet to change, doesn't matter how much we have improved since the All-Star break.



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Posted April 07, 2013 - 12:18 PM

^ I don't know why anyone would think we're better with Kobe/Gasol.

People cite how we played when Dwight was out.

We barely beat Detroit and Minni.

That's the reality if Gasol is our anchor inside.

Contrast that with how we played with Kobe/Howard.

Plus minus doesn't need to tell you in which way the team runs better.

And as you said RD if this game doesn't show it nothing will.

But the reality is, if Gasol gets 17/10 today and Dwight got 10/15

They'd use that as more "proof".

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Posted April 07, 2013 - 12:21 PM

Pau should be used to set up easier shots for Dwight, and Kobe/Dwight should be a two man game followed by a Kobe/Gasol two man and Gasol on the wing post when it opens up.

If you watch Orlando, when Dwight had it in the post, players would shift through the lanes to other sides to open the lane up for him or move the defense.

If their defender decided to try to double Dwight he'd throw it to the player moving off ball as they'd gotten themselves open.

Gasol should do this for Dwight, Dwight could get him a lot of easy shots inside with this method.

Need to see more of that. Saw it some 2 nights ago, needs to happen more.

Edited by Majesty, April 07, 2013 - 12:26 PM.

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Posted April 07, 2013 - 02:04 PM

So because of one game where pau and kobe were on together and dwight was out and they did well that means they are "ridiculously solid on offense with Pau/Kobe". This is like all the talk about kobe/pau P&R is clicking because of that one P&R they did at the end of the game. If they do it at a consistant basis for the next 6 games ok I concede you are right but one game. Come on.

 

Also that huge plus/minus came from that big run in the end of the 3rd and a huge reason why we went on that run was jamison. He put up 5 points in that run. Kobe put up 4, blake had 3, clark had 2 and pau had 2. 

 

So I fail to see why a 5 and half minute run where paus entire contribution was 2 points and a rebound means means that him and kobe are "ridiculously solid on offense".

 

 

I guess you have reading comprehension problems? The article also talks about the season on top of that game

 

With just Bryant and Gasol on the court this season (and Howard and Nash off the court), the Lakers have a plus-20.4 rating, the highest of any of their two-man combinations.


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