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#21 Real Deal

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Posted March 31, 2013 - 08:00 PM

Wow, seriously? If we post the link, and giving them credit, why would they still be mad? Does this rule still apply?


All about hits. There would be no reason to click the link if the full article is posted, which means less hits, and for most sites, that's less ad money.

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Posted March 31, 2013 - 11:28 PM

Only Kobe and Jordan are perimeter players out of the top five scorers of all time, I think it would be safe to say they are (with Wilt) the standard for scoring. In comparing them two I believe that Kobe was the better ball handler, better shooter, had way more range and was better at making contested shots (almost a needed skill to be a dominant scorer this era). Jordan was better at taking it to the rim and converting, was a lot more brute and stronger in the post and was just athletically more dominant than Kobe. In terms of skill there's probably no better in the history of the game than Mr Bean



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Posted April 01, 2013 - 05:34 AM

Wilt was playing bums!

 

Kobe was forced to watch first 2 seasons in game otherwise he would be passed MJ by now.


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Posted April 01, 2013 - 05:46 AM

Wilt was playing bums!

 

Kobe was forced to watch first 2 seasons in game otherwise he would be passed MJ by now.

Didn't MJ retire for 2 years as well?


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Posted April 01, 2013 - 06:03 AM

yes


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Posted April 01, 2013 - 06:09 AM

Absolutely, yes. 



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Posted April 01, 2013 - 06:54 AM

WLit wasn't playing bums...

 

 

Wilt played against Kareem, and put up good numbers.

 

Kareem put 40 on Hakeem.

 

Hakeem swept Shaq.

 

 

 

It's not asfar away as it seems.

 

 

 

I think Wilt had leBron stamina, he is the overall greatest scorer.

 

 

Kobe I put ahead of Jordan. *1,62, 61 at NYK, 65 vs Portland.



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Posted April 01, 2013 - 06:56 AM

Kobe is the most lethal scorer in NBA history, I agree that.


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Posted April 01, 2013 - 06:59 AM

greatest scorer ever goes to Kobe


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Posted April 01, 2013 - 07:43 AM

Some dumb comments here about Wilt. He could have easily dominated ANY era. It's not his fault that NBA was small back then. 7'2 giant with 50 inch vertical that can shoot from 20ft away. Please. Other than FT woes, he was perfect x perfect.



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Posted April 01, 2013 - 09:51 AM

Yea Wilt would be dominant in any era. He was an athletic freak.



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Posted April 01, 2013 - 10:03 AM

But see the issue in this thread is something that happens frequently in these discussions.  We are not talking about who is more dominant, we are talking about the greatest scorer.  

 

I just don't see how you put Wilt over MJ and Kobe when you're talking about a scorer.  Kobe and MJ could score from anywhere on the floor, Wilt was a big man that was dominant down low but was one dimensional in his ways of scoring.   He got his points around the rim on many shot attempts a game.

 

Granted it's two positions that demand different things, I'll take the scorers that could score in an array of ways. 



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Posted April 01, 2013 - 10:07 AM

Wilt had more range than MJ until MJ improved himself lol.



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Posted April 01, 2013 - 10:10 AM

Speaking of Wilt, check out his crazy dominance in his day, you could only laugh at what he did to people  :laughing:

 



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Posted April 01, 2013 - 11:47 AM

Wilt's range was a myth.  I'm not even sure who started saying that Wilt had 20 feet on his jumpers.  Does anyone have video of him doing anything other than dominating the post?  There were statements by many, many NBA players who said that Wilt sat in the post all game long.

 

Why would Wilt ever move out of it?  Nobody had the strength to push him out, and the three second violation didn't exist when he played.

 

It doesn't make sense that he would struggle from the foul line, 15 feet away, but have range out to 20 feet on his jumpers, either...because Wilt did EVERYTHING he could to hit free throws.  He shot them flat-footed, took them as he would jumpers (elevating), and he even ran from beyond the three-point line and tried to lay them up from the free throw line (yes, this was legal back then).



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Posted April 01, 2013 - 11:53 AM

myth? Lol.

 



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Posted April 01, 2013 - 11:56 AM

Those aren't 20-foot jumpers.



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Posted April 01, 2013 - 11:58 AM

16-20. Whatever. Point is, he's unstoppable offensively. That's pretty much the peak value of a scorer.

 

 

He is not camping the paint either. Dude could do whatever the [expletive] he wanted.


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Posted April 01, 2013 - 12:06 PM

16-20. Whatever. Point is, he's unstoppable offensively. That's pretty much the peak value of a scorer.

 

 

He is not camping the paint either. Dude could do whatever the fuck he wanted.

I just watched the first four minutes of that video, and he takes ONE jumper from 15 feet (and right at the FT line).  The rest are inside of it, a lot of 13-14 foot jumpers fading away, off the block, but NOT 16-20 feet out.

 

Everyone else can see for themselves, if they want.  Twenty feet is five feet away from the free throw line.  He does not have that range.

 

Ridiculous to say that Jordan didn't have that range, either.  Wilt never had Jordan's range, even when MJ was at UNC.  Not even close.



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Posted April 01, 2013 - 12:16 PM

Regardless of the eye test (which visibly shows he didn't have that range), again, he could not shoot a free throw, and he shot them MANY different ways (which was allowed back then).  If he couldn't pop wide-open 15-foot jumpers at better than 51% over the course of his career, how is he able to pop 16-20 foot jumpers, defended, shooting them any way he wants as well?

 

It didn't happen.  Wilt was a dominant force down low that had decent range for a big man.  He did not have Hakeem range, or Dirk range, though, and that should be an undisputed statement.  

 

Yao Ming stood 16-17 feet from the rim and dropped 10-15 straight shots.  THAT is range for a big man.  He did it on camera.  There's proof of it.  He did it during games.

 

For some reason, you want people to believe otherwise.  I don't have any reason to prove that Kobe, Jordan, Wilt OR Kareem are the greatest scorers of all time, because I can argue for all four.  

 

However, Wilt was not all over the court.  Outside of the paint?  Of course, but not 16-20 feet outside of it.  Did he make shots from out there?  I'm sure he made a few, like Rajon Rondo has a few threes (75 in his career, around 10 a year), but not as often as you're trying to point out.






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