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#1 leor_77

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Posted March 23, 2013 - 08:59 AM

This is what he was brought here to do, and part of the reason why I was so excited to get him. Kobe ball late in games just isn't going to cut it consistently. I didn't delve too deeply into this statistically, but I have found that the best way to manage late game situations, is via a very smart and effective point guard. Chris Paul and Tony Parker are pros at managing late game situations - They either work to get an efficient shot for themselves, or they pass it out for a great look for someone else. Steve Nash is in the same mold. He's not as good as those two, but I think he's nearly as good at managing a game in late situations. If you really looked at when he had the ball in his hands with us in close games, he usually did something really good with it.



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Posted March 23, 2013 - 09:19 AM

Kobe ball late is the worst. Dribble til there is 5 seconds left, zero chance of a pass, take a contested shot. It's great that he makes some huge shots, but an offense that predictable is a recipe for failure. Furthermore, in the playoffs someone other than Kobe is going to have to hit some big shots late, need to start getting them some touches in crunch time.

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Posted March 23, 2013 - 09:20 AM

Wrong.

Nash is turnover prone. And has less of a chance of creating his own shot.

Kobe got Great looks late. Gotta hit those.

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Posted March 23, 2013 - 10:23 AM

Nash has been a disapointment, I used to love watching him work magic with the Suns, he can do nothing like that this year it seems.... starting to think he wasn't such a good signing for this team.

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Posted March 23, 2013 - 11:45 AM

Nash being the table-setter led us to a 2-10 record in January until we began running the offense through Kobe. Since then, we've gone 18-10. Nash dribbles himself into corners far too often, is tentative with his shooting, and he simply can't penetrate and finish like he used to. You can't run an offense through him late game because he's not a threat to score on any given possession like CP3 or Tony Parker. Kobe is the only one on this team capable of doing that late in the game.



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Posted March 23, 2013 - 11:53 AM

Nash being the table-setter led us to a 2-10 record in January until we began running the offense through Kobe. Since then, we've gone 18-10. Nash dribbles himself into corners far too often, is tentative with his shooting, and he simply can't penetrate and finish like he used to. You can't run an offense through him late game because he's not a threat to score on any given possession like CP3 or Tony Parker. Kobe is the only one on this team capable of doing that late in the game.

Exactly what I was going to say.

 

It won't hurt LA to mix it up a bit, but you can't run it through Nash full time. He's been such a disappointment this season I think the Lakers money would have been well spent elsewhere (see Lowry, Kyle)



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Posted March 23, 2013 - 07:07 PM

nash cant do it with consistency 


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Posted March 23, 2013 - 07:27 PM

Nash being the table-setter led us to a 2-10 record in January until we began running the offense through Kobe. Since then, we've gone 18-10. Nash dribbles himself into corners far too often, is tentative with his shooting, and he simply can't penetrate and finish like he used to. You can't run an offense through him late game because he's not a threat to score on any given possession like CP3 or Tony Parker. Kobe is the only one on this team capable of doing that late in the game.

 

Exactly, Nash needs to be a three point shooter spreading the floor and allow Kobe and Dwight to run their 2 man game in clutch situations.



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Posted March 23, 2013 - 08:03 PM

Exactly, Nash needs to be a three point shooter spreading the floor and allow Kobe and Dwight to run their 2 man game in clutch situations.

Which is why we should of ran the triangle! It would of been perfect for this core.


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Posted March 23, 2013 - 10:09 PM

I don't get why if its a close game late in the fourth we just run Kobe ISO. Why can't we run some kind of offense where the balm moves. Kobe cannot dominant the ball if we ate going to be successful

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Posted March 23, 2013 - 10:18 PM

All this goes out the window once MWP is seen leading a fast break, or any offensive maneuvering late game. :(


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Posted March 23, 2013 - 11:22 PM

That really pissed me off,  one of his worst plays as a Laker.

All this goes out the window once MWP is seen leading a fast break, or any offensive maneuvering late game. :(


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Posted March 23, 2013 - 11:53 PM

Nash being the table-setter led us to a 2-10 record in January until we began running the offense through Kobe. Since then, we've gone 18-10. Nash dribbles himself into corners far too often, is tentative with his shooting, and he simply can't penetrate and finish like he used to. You can't run an offense through him late game because he's not a threat to score on any given possession like CP3 or Tony Parker. Kobe is the only one on this team capable of doing that late in the game.

I'm glad someone realize this


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Posted March 24, 2013 - 10:05 AM

You guys are pretty hilarious - What happened in the games against Indiana and Sacramento. Nash was setting the tables for everyone, ball was moving, was going inside (to Dwight) and out...and we won. Nash is statistically proven to be a very effective passer and shooter in the clutch, and he gets everyone involved, which is crucial. Kobe, well, he's been statistically proven to be a little overrated in the clutch. If you want to argue with legitimate numbers, then that's on you.

 

Just a few examples of the ball being in Nash's hands at the end of games (vs. Sac had more to do with general ball movement, inside out, etc.)

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=d51QZCg87B4

 

http://www.youtube.c...3GJCxUQ&index=4



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Posted March 24, 2013 - 10:12 AM

Nash being the table-setter led us to a 2-10 record in January until we began running the offense through Kobe. Since then, we've gone 18-10. Nash dribbles himself into corners far too often, is tentative with his shooting, and he simply can't penetrate and finish like he used to. You can't run an offense through him late game because he's not a threat to score on any given possession like CP3 or Tony Parker. Kobe is the only one on this team capable of doing that late in the game.

Way to go making blanket statements. There were a lot of games where Kobe still shot a lot of shots (and tried to take over in the clutch), and shot inefficiently, and that was the month where we played the most difficult part of our schedule, and had the most injuries.



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Posted March 24, 2013 - 10:15 AM

Way to go making blanket statements. There were a lot of games where Kobe still shot a lot of shots (and tried to take over in the clutch), and shot inefficiently, and that was the month where we played the most difficult part of our schedule, and had the most injuries.

 

He had to do that because we couldn't score because Nash was being the main table setter. 



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Posted March 24, 2013 - 10:23 AM

If only there was some coach here that had game plans for late in the game or any kind of authority to exercise a plan.

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Posted March 24, 2013 - 10:38 AM

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Posted March 24, 2013 - 11:32 AM

Way to go making blanket statements. There were a lot of games where Kobe still shot a lot of shots (and tried to take over in the clutch), and shot inefficiently, and that was the month where we played the most difficult part of our schedule, and had the most injuries.

 

Why do you think he had to take over in the clutch in the first place? It's because we dug ourselves into holes through 3 quarters due to playing inefficient Nash ball. Sure, Nash was getting his assist numbers (averaged around 9+), but we were getting destroyed through games because we could not play that style. We are not a team that pushes the pace, and every missed 3PA after a Nash kickout (and there were many) burned us in transition.

 

Nash isn't Tony Parker or Chris Paul where he can take a game over on the offensive end and flip the switch whenever he wants. He can't beat his man one-on-one to the basket or in transition. Nash ball doesn't work, and is NOT the best option when we have two superstars on this team who should be the focal points for us on the offensive end. You run the game through your superstars, not the aging 39 year old PG who isn't his prime anymore.

 

Nash isn't the same player he was in 2010, much less in his MVP years. There's a reason why the Suns struggled so much the last two years even with Nash putting up basically the same numbers. He can't set the table for everyone like he used to because he simply isn't capable of playing that way anymore at the age of 39.



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Posted March 24, 2013 - 11:38 AM

More than age is that Nash has never played with multiple stars of this level on a team before. There is still confusion about his role here or what he is responsible for. That adjustment was vital to get going early and often. When D'Antoni came in, and especially since Nash is familiar with him, there was plenty of time to get some kind plan in place. Instead, nothing was done, and right now it's way too late to install something.

So once again these firm roles and jobs are established by a coach with a game plan, a coach who has the authority to hold players to their jobs, a coach who knows how to handle this level of player at this level of expectation.

It's 100% on the coach.




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