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What if Kobe (and the Lakers) won the 2004 and 2008 Finals?


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#1 UNLABORED FLAWLESS

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Posted March 23, 2013 - 05:17 AM

Regardless of if kobe retires with 5 or 6 rings these  two things will always be the glaring blemish to kobe being considered the GOAT

 

What if kobe did win these two ? particularly in 2008 ?

 

if they won in 2004 i think the lakers might have resigned shaq that year 

 

if they won in 2008 kobe would have his 6 rings already 

 

So what would the nba landscape be like if kobe did not loose those 2 finals 04,08 

 

what would be the perception of him ? in relation to the GOAT discussion ?



#2 gque24

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Posted March 23, 2013 - 05:53 AM

what if you never wrote this topic?


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#3 UNLABORED FLAWLESS

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Posted March 23, 2013 - 07:38 AM

what if you never wrote this topic?

what if you never responded to the topic ?

 

see how easy that was ?



#4 bigvee

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Posted March 23, 2013 - 07:40 AM

Then he would have 7 rings.

/thread

#5 Roidz

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Posted March 23, 2013 - 08:22 AM

I don't think it's a terrible question. I've wondered it before. But it's just a hypothetical what if. 7 rings and he has the chance of being the game's all time scorer... Not bad

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#6 noknife

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Posted March 23, 2013 - 08:48 AM

The finals against the Pistons was the most frustrating weeks of being a Lakers fan I have experienced. I felt like the disparity in talent levels between the 2 clubs was the biggest I had ever seen in an NBA finals. Guess playing great team defense and sharing the ball is a winning formula. Shocker.

#7 Jay Cee

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Posted March 23, 2013 - 10:16 AM

I think MJ would still be considered the GOAT because of what he did individually, but the gap between the two would be extremely narrow. Having more rings than him would be big, but the stats still favor His Airness.

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Posted March 23, 2013 - 10:33 AM

Then he would have 7 rings.

/thread

assuming both scenarios played out 



#9 Jackson

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Posted March 23, 2013 - 10:39 AM

What if Lebron won in 2007?

 

What if Jordan didn't retire during his prime?

 

What if Magic didn't get HIV?

 

It is what it is.


Edited by Jackson, March 23, 2013 - 10:41 AM.


#10 KobeWillReturnTriumphant

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Posted March 23, 2013 - 12:18 PM

The team wouldn't have won in 2004. No way in any universe. They were burnt out and done.

#11 Disaster in Paradise

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Posted March 23, 2013 - 03:27 PM

Would be the same today, except Bryant would have two more rings.

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Posted March 23, 2013 - 03:50 PM

If he won in 2004 I'm not sure the whole Lakers team blows up completely. Shaq might have still left but Payton and Malone could have stayed, etc. That might mean no 2008 finals.

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Posted March 23, 2013 - 05:08 PM

Ppl always have db replies to these type of threads.


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Posted March 23, 2013 - 05:59 PM

The team wouldn't have won in 2004. No way in any universe. They were burnt out and done.

 

If Malone was healthy I could see that series going longer than 7 games. The one they had no shot at winning was the 2008 series. That Celtics team was too stacked, but the Lakers were basically the 2006-2007 Lakers minus Kwame and Smush with Fisher, Gasol, and Ariza. That much wasn't going to get it done against Garnett, Pierce, Allen, Posey, PJ Brown, and any other hungry veterans they had on their team. I mean we were starting [expletive]ing Vlad Rad. The Lakers weren't ready to beat the Celtics until they had more finals experience and Ron Artest. 


Edited by bfc1125roy, March 23, 2013 - 05:59 PM.


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Posted March 23, 2013 - 07:16 PM

what if you never wrote this topic?

The feisty one strikes again! Not sure why you have this attitude towards random people on the forum. It's quite funny to see you try to assert your internet dominance.



#16 CueTheRain

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Posted March 23, 2013 - 07:20 PM

In regards to the actual topic, there are so many things that could have resulted. If Shaq was never traded, we would have never gotten Pau (which brought us the 2009 and 2010 rings). Kobe wouldn't necessarily have seven now without Pau, but the entire landscape of free agents would be different. The Lakers either would have acquired more free agents once Malone and Payton left and stayed relevant, or Shaq would have been traded regardless. If Shaq stayed, then Kobe might have left/demanded a trade. It's all very complicated. 



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Posted March 23, 2013 - 08:41 PM

We would have a Canadian president, the Sacramento Kings would be playing in Iceland, and Michael Jackson would be alive and selling hotplates on infomercials.


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Posted March 25, 2013 - 02:53 PM

What if portland had durrant over oden?

what if portland had picked MJ over bowie?

 

What if one of the other 12 teams had picked kobe?

 

what if god was one of us?



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Posted March 25, 2013 - 06:12 PM

What if portland had durrant over oden?

what if portland had picked MJ over bowie?

 

What if one of the other 12 teams had picked kobe?

 

what if god was one of us?

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Posted March 25, 2013 - 06:33 PM

They'd have won in 2005 if shaq wasn't so encompassed by his ego and if Kobe was a little more mature about his wife.

That was such an awkward time.


Then again all the things Mitch put together in the aftermath is what put us in the finals 3 years later so I can handle that.

Heck if Ariza and Bynum are healthy who knows how that 08 championship goes?

But its all circumstancial at this point.

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