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#1 Majesty

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Posted March 22, 2013 - 09:05 PM

I've been saying it for the last few months but some people seemed to hold hope as to why. Now I'm not gonna solely blame Gasol for the loss tonight, but it is apparent why he shouldn't start for this team. I'll quote what I said to another poster earlier in the day.

Its the spacing issues and how many points Gasol costs us with it along with his defense and here today gone tomorrow offense. Thats why D'antoni preferred Clark at 3 and Metta at the 4.

Metta isn't lost as frequently on screen and rolls, can defend some 4s, and Clark can effectively stretch the floor.


When Gasol is on the floor, we have to depend in his defense switching when Dwight rotates, we also have to then count on Metta to be floor stretcher and at the 3...

And then depend on Gasol offensively.


When it was Clark and Metta, we didn't have to really "depend". On them for offense cause they made up for it with rebounding, hustle, defense and we didn't give up many points and on the other end they didnt cause spacing issues with Howard and could move freely.

With Gasol in the lineup we have to switch Metta to floor spacer and depend on Gasol's interior defense and offense and count on him not to screw spacing with Howard...


You see the problem?

In case you missed it.

When we start Pau this is what we're depending on.


Metta being our main floor stretcher(3-6 and ALL 6 shots were 3s)
Gasol's interior defense(guys got by him all day)
Gasol's offense(2-10)


To be frank, we have to depend on Gasol too much as a starter and he's given a lot of responsibilities that he can No LONGER handle, it's as simple as that.

I don't know how often it needs to be hammered home "why" Gasol in the starting lineup throws everything off. The positives don't outweigh the negatives.


Bench Gasol
Start Clark at 3 and Metta at 4
Stop caring about Gasol's "feelings"
Listen to your point guard on WHY Gasol should stay on the bench.

Steve Nash: "We shouldn't have to go through a week of bad performances while he gets re-acclimated."


That's all folks.

Edited by Majesty, March 22, 2013 - 09:06 PM.

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Posted March 22, 2013 - 09:06 PM

Didn't see an issue being up 16.

But I think Pau is better suited for the bench to improve the second unit

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Posted March 22, 2013 - 09:07 PM

and how would this help us win any games for that matter?



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Posted March 22, 2013 - 09:07 PM

^ Go be a Heat fan bruv =p


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Posted March 22, 2013 - 09:09 PM

^ Go be a Heat fan bruv =p

why would i?



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Posted March 22, 2013 - 09:09 PM

and how would this help us win any games for that matter?

Are you [expletive]ing kidding me? Have you not watched the last 20 games? We were obviously use to playing without Gasol and probably would have won this game if he didn't comeback. 


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Posted March 22, 2013 - 09:13 PM

Are you [expletive]ing kidding me? Have you not watched the last 20 games? We were obviously use to playing without Gasol and probably would have won this game if he didn't comeback. 

i find it funny how we all wanted pau to come back from injury now after tonight he needs to be rid of.



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Posted March 22, 2013 - 09:13 PM

Didn't see an issue being up 16.

But I think Pau is better suited for the bench to improve the second unit

 L.A.K.E.R. made a good point in his post in the game day thread.

 

The stretch from 1:47 left in the third to 8:50 left in the 4th was when Pau was reinserted into the lineup. The Lakers were up 72-63 when he checked in, and were down 81-79 when he went out. So in five minutes, the Wizards went on an 18-7 run with Pau Gasol "anchoring" the paint.

 

Now I remember why I didn't miss this guy.

 

 

 

 



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Posted March 22, 2013 - 09:13 PM

The Internet is filled with a bunch of bozos, you and anyone else that blames Gasol for this are one of them.

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Posted March 22, 2013 - 09:14 PM

Didn't see an issue being up 16.

But I think Pau is better suited for the bench to improve the second unit



Yes he coulf improve the second unit, butits also watching the defined roles. They switch.

Metta goes from rebounder/hustle player/post up guy.


When Gasol starts, it goes to

Floor stretcher and 3 point shooter


And Clark's role as starting 3 is
Hustle player/defender
Floor spacer

When Gasol starts

It goes to
Be a spark off the bench.

All the while multiple responsibilities are given to Gasol that he can't handle.

It screws up things.

Gasol should be off the bench, and leader of our second unit.

We deviated from that for one night to make the guy "comfortable" andwe started well, and then lost late.

Pretty much like we did at the start of the season when we tried to start those two together.

But alas, hopefully after tonight we don't see him starting anymore. If we're so adament to save his legs while he's on the way back he shouldn't start anyway.

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Posted March 22, 2013 - 09:14 PM

It's a huge issue because there's no interior defense when Pau is in the game and people penetrate the paint a lot more, which also creates more outside shots when there's slow rotations inside. Pau is best suited to play limited minutes as a backup 5 to generate some offense for the second unit. I hate seeing him stand around the midrange and brick jumpers. We need more offensive production out of him and that'll only happen when he's coming off the bench. 


Edited by bfc1125roy, March 22, 2013 - 09:15 PM.


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Posted March 22, 2013 - 09:16 PM

i find it funny how we all wanted pau to come back from injury now after tonight he needs to be rid of.

He needs to come off the bench. I find it funny how you don't understand that. And, apparently, D'Antoni as well. If he doesn't get it now then we're in trouble.


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Posted March 22, 2013 - 09:16 PM

The Internet is filled with a bunch of bozos, you and anyone else that blames Gasol for this are one of them.


As L.A.K.E.R said

The stretch from 1:47 left in the third to 8:50 left in the 4th was when Pau was reinserted into the lineup. The Lakers were up 72-63 when he checked in, and were down 81-79 when he went out. So in five minutes, the Wizards went on an 18-7 run with Pau Gasol "anchoring" the paint.
 
Now I remember why I didn't miss this guy.


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Posted March 22, 2013 - 09:18 PM

Pau coming back right now could actually be the reason we miss the playoffs. Just think about that for a moment. 


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Posted March 22, 2013 - 09:18 PM


He needs to come off the bench. I find it funny how you don't understand that. And, apparently, D'Antoni as well. If he doesn't get it now then we're in trouble.


WTF DOES IT MATTER IF HE STARTS OR NOT. HE PLAYED 20 [expletive]ING MINUTES. HE PLAYED MOSTLY WITH THE BENCH. Y'ALL SOUNDING DUMB AF RIGHT NOW

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Posted March 22, 2013 - 09:19 PM

and what about that 16 point loss we blew? was it all on pau? 



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Posted March 22, 2013 - 09:21 PM

We went from up 9 to down 2 in the 5 minutes Gasol was in from the 3rd to 4th.


Just some info..

Going 2-10 doesn't help either but maybe this will clarify it.

There's a REASON Nash doesn't want Gasol starting.

And this is the guy that became a Laker to play with Gasol, and he's now saying we can't afford to play bad for a week because of him. That's not a forum goer saying that, that's Steve Nash who probably knows more about the game than a lot of us. Even he knows it wont work.

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Posted March 22, 2013 - 09:21 PM

WTF DOES IT MATTER IF HE STARTS OR NOT. HE PLAYED 20 [expletive]ING MINUTES. HE PLAYED MOSTLY WITH THE BENCH. Y'ALL SOUNDING DUMB AF RIGHT NOW

So your saying it doesn't matter who he plays with or if he's coming off the bench?

You sir are one funny guy.

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Posted March 22, 2013 - 09:25 PM

and what about that 16 point loss we blew? was it all on pau?


We went from up 9 to down 2 in the 5 minutes he played from 3rd to the 4th. You tell me :)

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Posted March 22, 2013 - 09:26 PM

We went from up 9 to down 2 in the 5 minutes he played from 3rd to the 4th. You tell me :)

what about until the point we reached the 16 point lead?






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