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#441 Busty Bluth

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Posted March 22, 2013 - 09:24 PM

Straight team lost. Everybody is to blame...


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Posted March 22, 2013 - 09:27 PM

its the main reason for u? smh

What else is there to be said? John Wall didn't go off until the lane opened up during that stretch and the Wizards completely took control thereafter. No defensive anchor = open lane = more collapsing of the paint = open shots galore. John Wall was free to drive the lane, use the high pick for uncontested mid-range jumpers, or simply collapse the defense and kick to shooters. Our defense fell apart due to Gasol's inability to contest anything and D'Antoni's stupid rotations. In what realm of the universe is a lineup of Nash/Blake/Meeks/Jamison/Gasol a good idea? We lost due to our idiot coach and our horrible $19 million benchwarmer.


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Posted March 22, 2013 - 09:30 PM

Kobe didn't even bother to put a hand in ariza's face.

Hard to do when the defense is collapsing every play due to either Gasol as the anchor, or the PFs man setting the high pick all night long, thus opening the lane for John Wall to drive on our defensively incapable PGs. Kobe has to cheat on coverage to cover the lane. Yes, Ariza went off and Kobe should have stuck to him closer, but then we'd have been giving up easy penetration all through the 4th. We'd have given up one or the other.

There's no getting around the fact that that 18-7 stretch with Pau in the game gave the Wizards the necessary momentum to finish us off. John Wall found his rhythm, the team got their confidence back, and we could never recover.



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Posted March 22, 2013 - 09:31 PM

Yes, Ariza went off and Kobe should have stuck to him closer, but then we'd have been giving up easy penetration all through the 4th.

That is just a dumb excuse.

 

 

Ariza had 3 wide open 3s after Pau was subbed in the 4th. Game was lost in 4th quarter. Stop blaming Pau for everything.



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Posted March 22, 2013 - 09:34 PM

What else is there to be said? John Wall didn't go off until the lane opened up during that stretch and the Wizards completely took control thereafter. No defensive anchor = open lane = more collapsing of the paint = open shots galore. John Wall was free to drive the lane, use the high pick for uncontested mid-range jumpers, or simply collapse the defense and kick to shooters. Our defense fell apart due to Gasol's inability to contest anything and D'Antoni's stupid rotations. In what realm of the universe is a lineup of Nash/Blake/Meeks/Jamison/Gasol a good idea? We lost due to our idiot coach and our horrible $19 million benchwarmer.

 

I was wondering why he was playing meeks at 3 when he had clark who is capable of playing the 3


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Posted March 22, 2013 - 09:37 PM

That is just a dumb excuse.

 

 

Ariza had 3 wide open 3s after Pau was subbed in the 4th. Game was lost in 4th quarter. Stop blaming Pau for everything.

 

Do you guys really not understand the fact that that 18-7 run is what gave the Wizards all the momentum and confidence heading into the 4th? Until they reeled off that run, neither Wall nor Ariza were having that great a night. That run stretched from 1:47 in the 3rd to 8:50 in the 4th. John Wall found his rhythm and started making multiple pull-up jumpers as well as finding guys off penetration time and time again. Why is that? Because we had no anchor and somehow put 4 of our worst defenders (Nash/Meeks/Blake/Gasol) on the floor at once.

 

Two of those threes from Ariza were on Kobe, one of which was really just him falling asleep and inexcusable. The other was due to giving help off the high P&R coverage. The last one was in transition after a missed drive by Kobe. Ariza got a few good looks off on him, but they weren't nearly as horrible as you guys seem to be thinking. There's more happening on the floor than just oh, Kobe left his guy and his guy made shots. There's a reason WHY he had to leave his man. He's our best roaming help defender on the wing, it's the price we pay matching up defensively incapable PGs with John Wall in high P&R coverage without a capable 4 defending the switch.



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Posted March 22, 2013 - 09:44 PM

Do you guys really not understand the fact that that 18-7 run is what gave the Wizards all the momentum and confidence heading into the 4th? Until they reeled off that run, neither Wall nor Ariza were having that great a night. That run stretched from 1:47 in the 3rd to 8:50 in the 4th. John Wall found his rhythm and started making multiple pull-up jumpers as well as finding guys off penetration time and time again.

 

Two of those threes were on Kobe, one of which was really just him falling asleep. The other was due to giving help off the high P&R coverage. The last one was in transition after a missed drive by Kobe. Ariza got a few on him, but they weren't nearly as horrible as you guys seem to be thinking. There's more happening on the floor than just oh, Kobe left his guy and his guy made shots. There's a reason WHY he had to leave his man. He's our best roaming help defender on the wing, it's the price we pay matching up defensively incapable PGs with John Wall in high P&R coverage without a capable 4 defending the switch.

What is this Buttefly Effect? 18-7 run somehow caused Kobe to not collapse on Ariza? You know by then he already had 4 3's right?

 

I don't understand how you can single Pau out. If you have to take it to percentages, Kobe still owns the blame because he ruined our offensive flow in 4th with his hero ball. Ball did not rotate. Nash barely touched the ball. Dwight did not have single FG attempt, not that he didn't want to, Kobe-ball didn't let him. Offensively, and defensively Kobe tried stupid things which by my count had -10 / -12 pts cost.



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Posted March 22, 2013 - 09:49 PM

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Most of the night Kobe guarded either Garrett Temple or Trevor Ariza. Those two combined to shoot 9-15 from behind the arc.



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Posted March 22, 2013 - 09:51 PM

^^^Wow.

 

Ariza/Temple combined for 35 points. These guys' season avg combined is 13 pts/game. And to give up 7-12 threes to Ariza? SMFH. No words at how disgusting the defense can be. It's almost like these guys ran out of gas in the second half like they were on a god damn second night of a back-to-back.

 

Anyways,

 

Lakers' next 5 games @GS, @MIN, @MIL, @SAC, DAL....I predict a 2-3 record.

 

Jazz next 5 games @DAL, PHI, PHX, @POR, BKN...I predict a 3-2 record

 

That would put the Lakers at 38-37 and the Jazz at 37-37.



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Posted March 22, 2013 - 09:52 PM

Kobe and D'Antoni are the two at fault for this game. Kobe for his terrible defense late in the game and D'Antoni for starting Pau Gasol. It was Pau's first game back it's not really his fault. I saw effort from him. It's D'Antoni's dumb error.


Do you mean the game they started up 18, or a different one?

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Posted March 22, 2013 - 09:54 PM

Worst coach. Worst coach. Please bring Billy back

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Posted March 22, 2013 - 09:58 PM

Do you mean the game they started up 18, or a different one?

IT DOESN"T MATTER HOW WE STARTED OFF THE GAME. Gasol was reinserted with the starters late in the third quarter when we were up by 9 points and then the Wiz went on an 18-7 run, a run which gave them the necessary momentum to win the game. Momentum is a big part of basketball. Jesus christ I don't get what's so hard for some of you to understand about all this...


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Posted March 22, 2013 - 10:02 PM

What is this Buttefly Effect? 18-7 run somehow caused Kobe to not collapse on Ariza? You know by then he already had 4 3's right?

 

I don't understand how you can single Pau out. If you have to take it to percentages, Kobe still owns the blame because he ruined our offensive flow in 4th with his hero ball. Ball did not rotate. Nash barely touched the ball. Dwight did not have single FG attempt, not that he didn't want to, Kobe-ball didn't let him. Offensively, and defensively Kobe tried stupid things which by my count had -10 / -12 pts cost.

 

Ariza made two threes in the first quarter, and didn't score again until that 18-7 blitz with Pau in the game. He started driving inside, Wall started driving as well, and they burned us possessions after possession. From that point onwards, both got into rhythm and hurt us the rest of the game. That was what got him into rhythm. Kobe only really fell asleep on one or two possessions and lost sight of his man completely, the rest of the game was more due to the horrid lineups we had matching up with the Wizards.

 

I'm singling Pau out because his lack of production and defensive ability basically handed the game back to the Wizards on a silver platter. He was ineffective on both ends, and that stretch from the 3rd to the 4th is what cost us the game. The Wizards erased that deficit in no time, and it was all because their eyes lit up when they saw Pau Gasol sub in for Dwight Howard. Yet another terrible coaching decision by D'Antoni.

 

You really believe Kobe is to blame for the offensive flow coming to a halt? This isn't something new, we've been seeing it ever since that game against Atlanta near the start of March. This is the "offense" under D'Antoni in the 4th quarter of tight games. Kobe going isolation doesn't kill us unless the guys stop moving off the ball, that's been the case all year long. He's shown that if people are moving and getting open, he WILL find them. If guys don't move, there's nothing to be done with the shot clock winding down.

 

I'm not saying Kobe is blameless all the time, but in games where guys simply stop moving off the ball and Kobe-watch (Nash included), it doesn't make much sense to single him out. We were getting great off ball action through three quarters, but then guys just simply stop doing anything off ball. Yes, Kobe does get tunnel vision from time to time, but that wasn't case today.

 

This is exactly what happened in Phoenix back in January where people just stopped moving off the ball and we fell apart down the stretch after Kobe was facilitating all night long. Exactly the same kind of late-game meltdown.



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Posted March 22, 2013 - 10:03 PM

Glad I missed this game for a night out dining. Checked out the highlights, John Wall is great. Ripped apart Nash in the fourth and always found the open man. Wizards pulled this same [expletive] on us last season as well. As for the Lakers, you just never know. That is why we keep watching the games. On to Golden State!



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Posted March 22, 2013 - 10:07 PM

Yes, Kobe does get tunnel vision from time to time, but that wasn't case today.

You,sir, are the biggest Kobe stan.

 

That is all.



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Posted March 22, 2013 - 10:31 PM

Glad I got home to watch this travesty. Wth was Kobe doing in the fourth? Kobe may have been mostly to blame for tonight, but it still trashtoni that has lineups that don't match up against the other team. It is still the coach telling MWT to go 1-90 from the field. It is still the coach with horridness oozing from his pores. The sooner he goes, the happier I will be. Thanks for the good times MDA; please take MWT with you on your way out

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Posted March 22, 2013 - 10:33 PM

Oh. And keep playing your starters 40 minutes a game! Their jumpsuits, second half defense, and free throws are all bound to drastically improve.

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Posted March 22, 2013 - 10:38 PM

You,sir, are the biggest Kobe stan.

 

That is all.

 

Thanks for the thought-out response. Good discussion.

 

Yeah, his defense sucked on a few possessions (2 or 3) where he completely lost sight of his man, but there's more to it than that. It's not just Kobe standing in no-man's land leaving his man open, he has to help off his man when we have John Wall penetrating at will versus Steve Nash off the high P&R, especially when they're dragging out the 4 man to close the lane (which neither Jamison nor MWP can do effectively). Otherwise, we risk Dwight fouling out midway through the 4th. That is on D'Antoni and his horrid coaching.

 

Kobe did nothing differently tonight on the offensive end in the 4th than what he was doing for us two weeks ago versus Atlanta, New Orleans, and Toronto. Kobe isolation is all we have at the end of games once players stop moving off the ball and stand around. This has been the case all year long. The only guy who did anything off the ball to close the game was Howard with the numerous picks he set up top.

 

If Kobe really was playing "Kobe-ball" as you say, then he wouldn't have racked up 11 assists through 3 quarters. If the players moved off ball and got open, he was finding them and feeding them the ball. The difference in the 4th was that there was zero off ball movement. No movement means Kobe can't create as easily, thus leading to Kobe isolation with the shot clock running down as we've seen in MANY games this season. It's nothing new.



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Posted March 22, 2013 - 11:48 PM

You,sir, are the biggest Kobe stan.

 

That is all.

There are bigger 'stans' lurking in this forum. Just post something negative about kobe and they'll come running.. they always do.


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Posted March 23, 2013 - 12:01 AM

[expletive]ing glad I missed this game.






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