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[Calisupra2nr]

Lol this guy. I think we are all still waiting to hear those 'many' coaches. I want to hear their names. If you deflect, then we all know you were talking out of your ass to begin with.

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I don't know how I will ever recover! The shame I must be bringing to my family right now is off the charts..

 

Seriously, don't put so much importance on those multiple coaches...I was really thinking in my mind as I was typing at blazing speeds "Doc Rivers and Doug Collins had a chat a while back about Bynum..."  Was I correct in the exact wording of my statement? Nope. No I wasn't.  Does it change anything about my point on the definition and context of dominance? Nope.  That is what I find so funny about most members in this thread...so caught up in trying to argue the wording of something that they forget they are not even arguing the point.  Which is actually pretty comical when you think, "why is this person even wasting their time typing these responses??"

[Lords of the Rings]

Look, the number of post moves you have isn't a metric of how good a center is offensively. Dwight might have 2-3 less post moves than some other centers but he makes up for that in other ways, such as his mobility and skill in the PnR. Again, there have been multiple posts refuting this point already which you've ignored. There's a reason he's one of few players to average 15+ ppg and over 50% FG, why he's 3rd in the league in FTA/game, or why Golden State and Orlando couldn't defend him and instead sent him to shoot an NBA record 39 freethrows, more than Wilt Chamberlain.

 

As per the passing, if you want to talk about 4-5 dribbles and turning the ball over, Bynum, a center you probably think is better offensively than D12, did that way more and as a result we couldn't run the 4 out 1 in offense through him last year, the SAME offense, by the way, which Orlando ran very well through, guess who? Dwight Howard. 

 

The reason our offense doesn't always result in good post ups for Howard is because MDA doesn't know how to properly post up players (since he doesn't believe in it anyways) and so we have piss poor spacing. Teams would gladly leave Artest open from 3 to go and double Howard one pass away, and we either have a turnover or a bricked shot and long rebound leading to transition points for the other team. Take your pick.

"Look, the number of post moves you have isn't a metric of how good a center is offensively." Excuse me??

Bynum is not in the discussion

Orlando won What?? In a weak conference?

Most teams just plain foul him with DTs or not

He is averaging 1.5 assists per game....he doesn't have to hit the 3 point shooter...hell hit anyone....

The game tonight was a perfect example.... O'Neil handled him....and the other Center handled him...if he doesn't get a lob.....??

The start of the PHO game 2 missed dunks..... 3 missed layups..... got his shot blocked a couple of times?

He doesn't get good post position because he doesn't get it....its not anyone elses fault

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lakerfandude reborn???

[last stand 2.0]

The ignorance on this board is always fun to read

[Jackson]

Guys, stop feeding Pointgaurd11. Please.

[Calisupra2nr]

Just because I don't want to have to reply to anymore asinine responses regarding semantics, missed points and poor reading comprehension:

 

Dwight Howard is the best center in the NBA

 

Dwight Howard is better than Bynum 

 

Dwight Howard is an imposing force who dominates the game defensively when healthy.

 

Dwight Howard in the context of historically dominant big men, he is not.  In the context of current NBA centers, he is. 

So to save certain forum members' brains from having to understand the history of NBA centers and their skills, I will simply say Dwight is dominant.

 

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I would be curious to see how old most members are here, what background they have regarding the sport of basketball, how long they have watched the Lakers, what their education level is, etc.  Would be interesting...

Edited by Calisupra2nr, March 18, 2013 - 09:58 PM.

[Lakerace24]

That is what I find so funny about most members in this thread...so caught up in trying to argue the wording of something that they forget they are not even arguing the point.

Lol right. I'm trying to argue a 'wording' huh?

You made a completely false statement to back up your argument. That's you trying to manipulate your point that Dwight isn't dominate. I called you out on it because it pertains to the point about Dwight being dominate.

Try weaseling out again.

[Japago]

I don't think Dwight compares favorably to some of the all-time greatest centers.

 

We're just talking about Bynum here. Dwight is better in every facet, including offense. Bynum has only had one season of even worthy of mentioned among best NBA centers in 7 seasons, and Dwight has had plenty of better seasons.

[West Coast]

Just because I don't want to have to reply to anymore asinine responses regarding semantics, missed points and poor reading comprehension:

Dwight Howard is the best center in the NBA

Dwight Howard is better than Bynum

Dwight Howard is an imposing force who dominates the game defensively when healthy.

Dwight Howard in the context of historically dominant big men, he is not. In the context of current NBA centers, he is.

So to save certain forum members' brains from having to understand the history of NBA centers and their skills, I will simply say Dwight is dominant.

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I would be curious to see how old most members are here, what background they have regarding the sport of basketball, how long they have watched the Lakers, what their education level is, etc. Would be interesting...

Okay you're one more shot at members away from not posting here anymore.

Not even going to comment on it anymore. My advice is you stop posting in this particular thread because you obviously can't handle it.

[L.A.K.E.R]

I'm feeling lakerfandude vibes.

[Lakerace24]

You are just exhausting...just drop the whole teenage puffing your chest out to think you've won an argument - it should be beneath you. I misspoke by adding a 'es' in my post. It does not take anything away from my points or opinions. If you honestly, cannot grasp what I am saying because you are stuck on the word coaches, rather than coach, then we can have a private discussion and I'll call up my college English professor to help mediate for you.

Yeah, just like I thought.

I see you like to take shots at education and intelligence for some reason. You insecure or just compensating for something?

Edited by Lakerace24, March 18, 2013 - 10:07 PM.

[West Coast]

Enough of the back and forth shots.

[Calisupra2nr]

Okay you're one more shot at members away from not posting here anymore.

Not even going to comment on it anymore. My advice is you stop posting in this particular thread because you obviously can't handle it.

Shoot. I don't know what I will do without the ability to communicate on here anymore. As someone who started going to Lakers games in the 80s before most here were even born the last thing I really care about is arguing over what some young kid thinks is dominant.

 

Literally the only thing I would miss by not visiting this forum anymore would be Real Deal..

 

Yeah, just like I thought.

I see you like to take shots at education and intelligence for some reason. You insecure or just compensating for something?

Yeah, just like I thought.

I see you like to reply to the most worthless parts of a post. BTW this isn't a shot - looking at you West Coast - this is dialogue. 

 

If you want to quit taking shots, done deal, it really is beneath me to sit here squabbling like this anyways.  But I am still awaiting a legitimate response regarding previously voiced opinions on Dwight's "dominance". 

Edited by Calisupra2nr, March 18, 2013 - 10:20 PM.

[West Coast]

Alright you're done.

Unfortunately for you, you edited your post just after I read it and saw the comments you tried to edit out.

[Lakerace24]

Alright you're done.

Lol, he actually tried to edit out the 'stupid posts by fans' part before you had a chance to see it.

[West Coast]

Lol, he actually tried to edit out the 'stupid posts by fans' part before you had a chance to see it.

Well I saw it.

Now back to the topic at hand.

[CueTheRain]

Calisupra2nr, a discussion on Laker players has nothing to do with anybody's education level. Since you seem so proud of yours obviously, please state your alma mater and year. I would compare mine to yours, but I don't put as much stock into it.

[West Coast]

Calisupra2nr, a discussion on Laker players has nothing to do with anybody's education level. Since you seem so proud of yours obviously, please state your alma mater and year. I would compare mine to yours, but I don't put as much stock into it.

Enough. He's gone now get back to the topic.

This is the last warning for everyone in this thread

[Japago]

Dwight just hasn't had the same type of offensive impact that he's had in Orlando. I can agree to that.

 

I have faith it'll come back. I can tell his defense is starting to.

[CueTheRain]

Enough. He's gone now get back to the topic.

This is the last warning for everyone in this thread

No skin off my back. You don't need to use that tone on me though, I'm not a child. I wasn't attempting to add to the argument; it was my first post here since about Page 2.

 

Anyways, Dwight will come back to his original form, but his conditioning still isn't where it needs to be. He was easily averaging forty minutes a game for the Magic because he was relied so heavily upon, game after game. Tonight, everybody was tired. The overall trend is good though, so one loss isn't too troubling.