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[211275]

Could have fooled me. The most dominant center in the league? He puts up 12 points on garbage like Chuck Hayes? Please. A true dominant center would be dropping 30+ a night on these scrubs Howard is going against. His footwork is atrocious, he has no shot at all. Just like we exposed him in the 2009 Finals, hes just a glorified dunker who can make layups too. Hes far from a dominant center. 

[kj24]

Offense is questionable .. The dude is a stud on d though...

[lakers1o1]

Could have fooled me. The most dominant center in the league? He puts up 12 points on garbage like Chuck Hayes? Please. A true dominant center would be dropping 30+ a night on these scrubs Howard is going against. His footwork is atrocious, he has no shot at all. Just like we exposed him in the 2009 Finals, hes just a glorified dunker who can make layups too. Hes far from a dominant center. 

 

You clearly only focus on one aspect of the game. (offense)

Also, he was 4-6 (only 6 attempts)...

 

You're argument basically states that a Center like Brooke Lopez is the most dominant because of his ability to score...

Edited by lakers1o1, March 17, 2013 - 08:27 PM.

[AirTupac]

Constantly being double teamed the second he touches the ball. Was dominant on the defensive end.

[stillshining]

He was the most dominant player on both ends of the floor tonight...

[L.A.K.E.R]

[211275]

Constantly being double teamed the second he touches the ball. Was dominant on the defensive end.

 

Every dominant center usually is, still didnt stop guys like Shaq from dropping 30 though. Thats a true dominant center. Even Dwights 39 point game against Orlando was a joke, 25 of his points came from the line. The other 14 came from dunks and layups and he was playing some scrub who shouldnt even be in the NBA and rolled his ankle during the game. Only thing I have seen that Dwight is great at is rebounding, but so was Rodman. 

Edited by 211275, March 17, 2013 - 08:31 PM.

[West Coast]

Could have fooled me. The most dominant center in the league? He puts up 12 points on garbage like Chuck Hayes? Please. A true dominant center would be dropping 30+ a night on these scrubs Howard is going against. His footwork is atrocious, he has no shot at all. Just like we exposed him in the 2009 Finals, hes just a glorified dunker who can make layups too. Hes far from a dominant center. 

 

Well unfortunately for your argument, the league doesn't have any "dominant" offensive centers anymore.  Since Shaq averaged 27 ppg in the 02-03 season, no center has averaged more than 24 points a game except for two players, which came from KG in 2004 and Bosh in 2010 and those aren't really prototypical centers. 

 

In fact no center has averaged more than 20 ppg in a season since Dwight did it in 2011. 

[svt]

Do you consider Bill Russell a dominant center?

[211275]

Well unfortunately for your argument, the league doesn't have any "dominant" offensive centers anymore.  Since Shaq averaged 27 ppg in the 02-03 season, no center has averaged more than 24 points a game except for two players, which came from KG in 2004 and Bosh in 2010 and those aren't really prototypical centers. 

 

In fact no center has averaged more than 20 ppg in a season since Dwight did it in 2011. 

 

Good point, thanks. I dont know, I was just expecting someone great and worth spending tons of money on and making the new face of the franchise. In reality, Dwight is putting up Andrew Bynum numbers. I was expecting much more. 

[last stand 2.0]

Good point, thanks. I dont know, I was just expecting someone great and worth spending tons of money on and making the new face of the franchise. In reality, Dwight is putting up Andrew Bynum numbers. I was expecting much more.

When has Bynum put up 20 and 14

That's what Howard has been putting up since the all star break

[Murdercassette]

Dwight doesn't have to score to be dominant, he runs the game on the other side on the floor. His presence alone keeps players from attacking for buckets, way more important that just putting up numbers on the offensive end.

Edited by Murdercassette, March 17, 2013 - 08:46 PM.

[fozi]

Good point, thanks. I dont know, I was just expecting someone great and worth spending tons of money on and making the new face of the franchise. In reality, Dwight is putting up Andrew Bynum numbers. I was expecting much more. 

 

we needed a defensive center that Bynum couldn't bring to the team. By the way, offense numbers are about the same, maybe byname averaged one point more.. We gained a lot from the trade, let alone Bynum's injury.

 

 

Don't forget the guy came from a serious injury and with full training camp and training with Hakeem, he'll get better next year..

[reryo]

Could have fooled me. The most dominant center in the league? He puts up 12 points on garbage like Chuck Hayes? Please. A true dominant center would be dropping 30+ a night on these scrubs Howard is going against. His footwork is atrocious, he has no shot at all. Just like we exposed him in the 2009 Finals, hes just a glorified dunker who can make layups too. Hes far from a dominant center. 

 

That was a nice windmill dunk from Deandre Jordan today.

[211275]

When has Bynum put up 20 and 14

That's what Howard has been putting up since the all star break

 

Dwight is averaging 16/12 this year, Bynum averaged 19/12 last year...

[MrKnowItAll]

Btw chuck Hayes is one of the best big man defenders in the league. Know your [expletive] if you gonna spread it.

Edited by MrKnowItAll, March 17, 2013 - 08:53 PM.

[24allday]

I'm Ron Burgundy?

[211275]

Btw chuck Hayes is one of the best big man defenders in the league. Know your [expletive] if you gonna spread it.

 

LOL wut? Hes a PF and hes 6'6 250lbs and averages 4 rebounds and 0.2 blks a game. Hes garbage. Dwight is 6 inches taller and outweighs him by close to 20 pounds. Should have been dunking over the top of him. 

Edited by 211275, March 17, 2013 - 08:56 PM.

[Majesty]

Dwight ain't putting up andrew bynum numbers.

Dwight leads the league in rebounding and could rip down 20 often, thats an important aspect.

And also you can't call his 39 a joke he went to the line 25 times cause that was the ONLY way they thought they could stop him.

That should speak more towards dominance should it not?

Dwight effects the game defensively and through rebounding and if he wasnt doubled and tripled he'd probably score a lot more, but he is, cause when he isnt he could go for 30. Thats why he's fouled so much.

Besides Dwight makes the defense by making plays when double teamed which means the defense has to make a decision to single cover him or risk the pass.

If they choose to single cover him he scores on them. Or they foul him before he can.


That IS an example of dominance.

[West Coast]

Dwight is averaging 16/12 this year, Bynum averaged 19/12 last year...

 

Bynum was also healthy for the first time in his career and was ready to move up to the #2 option behind Kobe.

 

Dwight is coming off back surgery, playing with a torn labrum, and is transitioning from #1 option in Orlando, to #2 behind Kobe. 

 

Tough to really compare the two to be perfectly honest.  Until both are healthy and playing as #1 options, then we can really make a fair comparison on the two.