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#1 Nak

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Posted March 09, 2013 - 07:42 AM

The Lakers are giving up 101.6 points per game and opposing teams are shooting at 45.7. What can the Lakers training staff do to fix this mess? We ain't making a deep playoff run if we don't get better defensively. 



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Posted March 09, 2013 - 08:36 AM

Tell them to play with same intensity for 48 minutes.

 

Our defence in the 4th  is usually alot better than the defence we play  in the rest of the game. So we can play defence, we just need to do it consistantly.



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Posted March 09, 2013 - 09:03 AM

Get rid of MD



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Posted March 09, 2013 - 09:06 AM

D'Antoni better bring in a hell of a defensive coach next season... If he's still around

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Posted March 09, 2013 - 09:22 AM

Well,we know for sure he's gonna bring in Gentry and maybe McMillan,so it could be alright.


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Posted March 09, 2013 - 09:31 AM

Rambis?

Mike D'Antoni is GARBAGE.


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Posted March 09, 2013 - 09:36 AM

I don't understand why he had both Meeks and Nash on that one play where you only needed ONE stop to win the game.

Meeks kept on getting abused in the low block. Did he do any adjustments? Nope.

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Posted March 09, 2013 - 10:56 AM

Dwight told Meeks to let them back him down because it would get them in position for him to block the shot. It worked once and the second time he tipped it but it still went in.

Dwight said he told Meeks this when he heard Toronto in a huddle talk about how easy it'd be to score on Meeks in the post.

So Dwight told Meeks to let them back him down in the low block and he(Dwight) would take care of the rest if you must know.

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Posted March 09, 2013 - 11:20 AM

Play harder in the first half. So many uncontested jumpers. Hand down, man down, right Mark Jackson? During last nights game I would see Kobe just stare at derozan while he squared up for a jumper. Throw yo mutha [expletive]ing hands up! Lineups consisting of Blake, Nash, and Meeks at the same time aren't particularly helpful either.
And getting Pau back will be big. When Dwight is out teams just cruise to the rim. Pau isn't the best shot blocker, but he's a legit 7 footer who can protect the paint. Bad at guarding power forwards and pick and roll because he can't recover quick enough, but good at guarding the paint.

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Posted March 09, 2013 - 11:39 AM

To be honest, I thought the defense against the raptors wasn't too bad.

The raptors just executed their plays really well and MDA wasn't adjusting to well.


Aside from that the Raptors just couldn't miss... DeRozan and their bench role players just couldn't miss!


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Posted March 09, 2013 - 12:21 PM

Phil Jackson would be a nice defensive/offensive coach next year.

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Posted March 09, 2013 - 12:26 PM

Stop blaming D'Antoni for everything. It's getting old. Players need to do a better job. They need to communicate on picks. Too many backdoors allowed. Even Dwight is sleeping on some. Fixing this is easy. They just need to focus.



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Posted March 09, 2013 - 12:34 PM

Dwight told Meeks to let them back him down because it would get them in position for him to block the shot. It worked once and the second time he tipped it but it still went in.

Dwight said he told Meeks this when he heard Toronto in a huddle talk about how easy it'd be to score on Meeks in the post.

So Dwight told Meeks to let them back him down in the low block and he(Dwight) would take care of the rest if you must know.

Lol Meeks was getting backed down with ease and that was before Dwight "told" him to let him



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Posted March 09, 2013 - 12:38 PM

Tell Pringles to GTFO!


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Posted March 09, 2013 - 12:50 PM

Stop blaming D'Antoni for everything. It's getting old. Players need to do a better job. They need to communicate on picks. Too many backdoors allowed. Even Dwight is sleeping on some. Fixing this is easy. They just need to focus.

Players don't know their roles and they don't practice defense enough.. IT'S THE COACH'S FAULT



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Posted March 09, 2013 - 12:54 PM

Role? How much can you preach and practice defense? You say it once. They always watch the opponent's tapes before every game. They need to catch the drift. Defense isn't about X's and O's. It's about instinct, focus and communication. It's players job to execute it on the court. Of course the coach should warn them if they are slacking off, and D'antoni is doing that from what I have seen.



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Posted March 09, 2013 - 01:26 PM

All D'Antoni. There is no set gameplan and he doesn't even realize the basics of putting out a lineup that can actually function correctly. When the starting lineup isn't on the floor, we basically put out a unit of Blake/Meeks/Clark/Jamison with either Kobe or Howard. There is no way in hell we're successful with that horrible lineup against any half-decent team. We have zero interior defense if Jamison/Clark is our frontline (which the Raptors took advantage of last night), and if Dwight is in, then there's no one to get him the ball or facilitate the offense.

 

It's up to the coach to make adjustments as well once the opposition begins to go on a run. He didn't call a timeout even after we fell back by 12+ last night. In the  4th quarter, the Raptors ran with the same post-up play with whoever was being guarded by Jodie Meeks. You'd figure that he would make SOME adjustment after the 3rd or 4th time we were burned by the same play, but no. We can have the smartest defensive players in the world, but it won't make a damn bit of difference if the head coach is an idiot.

 

It's amazing that we've managed to hire two coaches back to back who are equally as terrible at managing rotations and lineups.



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Posted March 09, 2013 - 02:20 PM

Our bench lineup plays Jamison and Clark at the 5 because of no Gasol.

A bench lineup of Blake, Meeks, Jamison, Gasol with a starter is the working bench lineupo.

The only reason you see different is because both Hill and Pau are out and Ebanks is useless.

He tried using a different lineup against new orleans by putting saxre in at center. We saw how well that went.

He played Meeks over Clark because Clark had no energy, was getting scored on and was turning the ball over.

He chose the issue of Meeks possibly getting scored on(and counting on Dwight to block the shot) along with Meeks ability to score, hustle and play with energy and it paid off.

9 times out of 10 you'll go with Clark to close out the game. But considering Clark's play and lack of energy and play up until that point you gamble on Meeks scoring ability hustle and energy and it paid off.

If he'd left Clark in and sat Meeks and we'd lost he'd be massacred for not recognizing that Clark was off while benching Meeks who was a key scorer our last game. You know it and I know it.

I'm not gonna knock him for THAT decision.

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Posted March 09, 2013 - 04:27 PM

Our bench lineup plays Jamison and Clark at the 5 because of no Gasol.

A bench lineup of Blake, Meeks, Jamison, Gasol with a starter is the working bench lineupo.

The only reason you see different is because both Hill and Pau are out and Ebanks is useless.

He tried using a different lineup against new orleans by putting saxre in at center. We saw how well that went.

He played Meeks over Clark because Clark had no energy, was getting scored on and was turning the ball over.

He chose the issue of Meeks possibly getting scored on(and counting on Dwight to block the shot) along with Meeks ability to score, hustle and play with energy and it paid off.

9 times out of 10 you'll go with Clark to close out the game. But considering Clark's play and lack of energy and play up until that point you gamble on Meeks scoring ability hustle and energy and it paid off.

If he'd left Clark in and sat Meeks and we'd lost he'd be massacred for not recognizing that Clark was off while benching Meeks who was a key scorer our last game. You know it and I know it.

I'm not gonna knock him for THAT decision.

 

These are all excuses. There is no reason why we cannot have two of our best three players out on the floor when the game has yet to be decided. It's not rocket science, it's proper management of minutes. You're telling me that D'Antoni can't figure out a way to rotate his players in and out so that we have something that resembles a capable unit? Any competent coach is capable of this.

 

Meeks' gamble didn't pay off at all, I'm not sure what game you were watching. It completely blew up in our faces and we were only saved due to Kobe Bryant's greatness. Meeks gave us nothing on the offensive end and gave up a bucket to the Raptors just about every time down the floor. In fact, looking at the play by play for the end of the game:

 

4th Quarter

5:41 DeRozan makes a jumper on Meeks

4:02 Again, DeRozan with a jumper on Meeks

2:38 Meeks unable to defend his man on the block, Howard helps, a cutting Amir Johnson with the easy lay-in

1:26 Anderson with a jumper, gets right around Meeks in Iso

 

OT

3:28 Meeks unable to guard DeRozan on the block, fouls him, and DeRozan makes 2 free throws

2:54 Anderson posts up on Meeks, gets around him and scores a lay-up

1:25 Alan Anderson again posts up on Meeks and gets around him for the score

 

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From late in the 4th through overtime, Meeks' lack of defensive ability in the post (which should have been obvious to everyone) led to the Raptors scoring 14 points. Prior to their bucket at the 5:41 mark of the 4th quarter, the Raptors were leading us 94-90. Therefore, of the final 22 points that the Raptors scored until the final buzzer at the end of OT, we gave up 14 points due to Meeks getting abused on the block. How exactly would Earl Clark not have worked out for us? I'm pretty damn sure the Raptors wouldn't have been able to run that same post-up play multiple times with a lengthy defender on the box.

 

Key scorer from last game? Cool, it didn't make a damn bit of difference last night. Meeks' last bucket was at the start of the 4th quarter at the 11:30 mark on a breakaway lay-up after the steal. Afterwards it was a missed three (9:36 4th quarter), missed three (3:16 4th quarter), missed three (2:28 OT), and missed three (1:09 OT). He finished 3-11, Clark was 1-3. Which hurt us more; the guy who missed a few shots early in the game or the one who missed every shot when the game was on the line? His play from the previous game doesn't make up for the utter lack of any positive impact last night.

 

So we had Meeks go 0-4 in key stretches of the 4th and OT, and he was consistently abused on the block leading to 14 of the Raptors last 22 points. Don't try to flip the Meeks "gamble" as some great move by D'Antoni. It was a horrible decision and he should have been swapped out for Clark's length after the Raptors ran the same post-up play 3 possessions in a row. D'Antoni and his stupidity would have cost us the last two games had it not been for Kobe Bryant.

 

Kobe Bryant's brilliance down the stretch is the sole reason we won our last two games, in spite of every horrible decision by D'Antoni. All credit is due to Kobe Bryant and his unbelievable ability to score in the clutch. Those were not easy threes last night. They were all contested with solid defense from the Raptors and we're lucky that Kobe is Kobe.

 

If Kobe Bryant was not playing at this ridiculous level so late into the season, we would been 0-4 the last week and out of the playoff race. You know it and I know it.



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Posted March 09, 2013 - 04:33 PM

These are all excuses. There is no reason why we cannot have two of our best three players out on the floor when the game has yet to be decided. It's not rocket science, it's proper management of minutes. You're telling me that D'Antoni can't figure out a way to rotate his players in and out so that we have something that resembles a capable unit? Any competent coach is capable of this.

 

Meeks' gamble didn't pay off at all, I'm not sure what game you were watching. It completely blew up in our faces and we were only saved due to Kobe Bryant's greatness. Meeks gave us nothing on the offensive end and gave up a bucket to the Raptors just about every time down the floor. In fact, looking at the play by play for the end of the game:

 

4th Quarter

5:41 DeRozan makes a jumper on Meeks

4:02 Again, DeRozan with a jumper on Meeks

2:38 Meeks unable to defend his man on the block, Howard helps, a cutting Amir Johnson with the easy lay-in

1:26 Anderson with a jumper, gets right around Meeks in Iso

 

OT

3:28 Meeks unable to guard DeRozan on the block, fouls him, and DeRozan makes 2 free throws

2:54 Anderson posts up on Meeks, gets around him and scores a lay-up

1:25 Alan Anderson again posts up on Meeks and gets around him for the score

 

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From late in the 4th through overtime, Meeks' lack of defensive ability in the post (which should have been obvious to everyone) led to the Raptors scoring 14 points. Prior to their bucket at the 5:41 mark of the 4th quarter, the Raptors were leading us 94-90. Therefore, of the final 22 points that the Raptors scored until the final buzzer at the end of OT, we gave up 14 points due to Meeks getting abused on the block. How exactly would Earl Clark not have worked out for us? I'm pretty damn sure the Raptors wouldn't have been able to run that same post-up play multiple times with a lengthy defender on the box.

 

Key scorer from last game? Cool, it didn't make a damn bit of difference last night. Meeks' last bucket was at the start of the 4th quarter at the 11:30 mark on a breakaway lay-up after the steal. Afterwards it was a missed three (9:36 4th quarter), missed three (3:16 4th quarter), and missed three (2:28 OT), missed three (1:09 OT). His play from the previous game doesn't make up for the utter lack of any positive impact last night.

 

So we had Meeks go 0-4 in key stretches of the 4th and OT, and he was consistently abused on the block leading to 14 of the Raptors last 22 points. Don't try to flip the Meeks "gamble" as some great move by D'Antoni. It was a horrible decision and he should have been swapped out for Clark's length after the Raptors ran the same post-up play 3 possessions in a row. D'Antoni and his stupidity would have cost us the last two games had it not been for Kobe Bryant.

 

Kobe Bryant's brilliance down the stretch is the sole reason we won our last two games, in spite of every horrible decision by D'Antoni. All credit is due to Kobe Bryant and his unbelievable ability to score in the clutch. Those were not easy threes last night. They were all contested with solid defense from the Raptors and we're lucky that Kobe is Kobe.

 

If Kobe Bryant was not playing at this ridiculous level so late into the season, we would been 0-4 the last week and out of the playoff race. You know it and I know it.

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Edited by LakeShow805, March 09, 2013 - 04:35 PM.





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