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[noknife]

We also had Mike Brown as our coach and he pretty much formulated the formula to beat OKC after they showed us everything they had in game one.

If Mike brown ran the same offense this year we tried to run last year and we played okc we'd probably win in 5.

Where do you buy your weed? Seems real strong.

[Majesty]

Yeah I know its a sin around here to give credit for anything Mike Brown did unless you're complaining about D'antoni.

Cause when you complain about DKantoni, the Princeton would have worked, we fired him too fast, and the 4 out 1 in offense is perfect for the way THIS team is constructed as opposed to last year.

Anytime else and its INCONCEIVABLE!!!

[Ham]

Knicks are spanking the jazz at the moment. 8th seat here we come

[Lakersfan1211]

Jazz losing by 18, keep it up NY.

[bigfetz]

Utah getting killed right now

[Lakerace24]

We also had Mike Brown as our coach and he pretty much formulated the formula to beat OKC after they showed us everything they had in game one.

If Mike brown ran the same offense this year we tried to run last year and we played okc we'd probably win in 5.

Ahaha

[BlueJab23]

Yes very close. The 3rd championship without a shadow of a doubt.

 

Shaq's stats in 2002 Finals

 

36 ppg

12 rpg

3 apg

 

Kobe's stats in 2002 Finals

 

26 ppg

5 rpg

5 apg

 

Im sorry. Kobe is one of the all time great but he was never the best player in the 3peat.

[West Coast]

Oh Utah, you're so kind to the Lakers.

Gotta' feel for Matt Harpring.

[Alpha Four]

IT'S HAPPENING GUYS

99-92 Suns up with 2:30 left.

[Majesty]

Shaq's stats in 2002 Finals

36 ppg
12 rpg
3 apg

Kobe's stats in 2002 Finals

26 ppg
5 rpg
5 apg

Im sorry. Kobe is one of the all time great but he was never the best player in the 3peat.

Lovely coming from someone that never watched those games and are just pulling stats as if they tell the entire story and is taking nothing into thought as to how many of shots Shaq got because of Kobe and because of Kobe's ability to find him, facilitate it to him and make it easy for him.

Without that, Shaq wouldn't have accomplished it. Want evidence? Larry Brown knew this to be true, that's why he had the entire detroit pistons try to stop Kobe's facilitating and passing and ways to get Shaq involved, Forcing Shaq to have to create his own offense without Kobe doing it for him.

If you remember that was Larry"s entire strategy, to shut down the Shaq and Kobe connection and focus their efforts solely on Kobe and let Shaq do whatever he wanted "by himself" and know what happened? Kobe had to win a game for us and bail us out and every other game we lost.

Kobe has a lot to do with Shaq's success during those finals and throughout the playoffs and is even the reason a lot of those victories happened.

Be aware that even in our first championship season against the trailblazers it was Kobe whom scored on or assisted on the final 5 posessions of the game, the alley oop to shaq being the one all remember.

Lets also not forget that against the Pacers Shaq fouled out and it was Kobe who carried the team down the stretch.

SHAQ himself admitted that Kobe was the best player in the league during their run. He'd probably like people to forget that moment of humbleness.

Kobe made sacrifices for Shaq but the Lakers were obviously his team, cutting him off from making it easy for Shaq is what finally beat them.


And if you'd watched those series you'd have realized that.

It was debatable on the 2nd championship but clear on the 3rd it was Kobe's team then and going forward, Shaq knew it too, but he couldn't take it nor accept it. The Piston series definitely showed it to be true and it was obvious that it was Kobe's team going forward, Shaq acted immature, played the leverage game with Jerry buss and was sent packing, and Kobe got the blame.

Edited by Majesty, March 09, 2013 - 09:24 PM.

[FranklinPeanuts]

Well Houston just lost.. The lakers are 1.5 games out of the 7th seed.

^ Actually they lost about an hour ago now, but yeah...

[KittenPuncher]

2000 Finals, Kobe had to guard Reggie Miller on Game 1, he shut him down. Game 3 of that series, Kobe didn't play. Lakers eventually lost. Game 4, Kobe took over when Shaq got injured. That was the deciding factor of the series.

 

2001 playoffs, Kobe closed out Portland, Sacramento, and boy did he destroy the Spurs.

 

2002, Sacramento series. It was Kobe who got us out of that mess.

C'mon NBA.com! Update the standings!!!

 

Edit: Alright, cool:

 

http://www.nba.com/s...ew_Std_Cnf.html

Edited by    , March 09, 2013 - 09:59 PM.

[Goku]

hahahaha all 3 lost.

[Ace]

Lovely coming from someone that never watched those games and are just pulling stats as if they tell the entire story and is taking nothing into thought as to how many of shots Shaq got because of Kobe and because of Kobe's ability to find him, facilitate it to him and make it easy for him.

Without that, Shaq wouldn't have accomplished it. Want evidence? Larry Brown knew this to be true, that's why he had the entire detroit pistons try to stop Kobe's facilitating and passing and ways to get Shaq involved, Forcing Shaq to have to create his own offense without Kobe doing it for him.

If you remember that was Larry"s entire strategy, to shut down the Shaq and Kobe connection and focus their efforts solely on Kobe and let Shaq do whatever he wanted "by himself" and know what happened? Kobe had to win a game for us and bail us out and every other game we lost.

Kobe has a lot to do with Shaq's success during those finals and throughout the playoffs and is even the reason a lot of those victories happened.

Be aware that even in our first championship season against the trailblazers it was Kobe whom scored on or assisted on the final 5 posessions of the game, the alley oop to shaq being the one all remember.

Lets also not forget that against the Pacers Shaq fouled out and it was Kobe who carried the team down the stretch.

SHAQ himself admitted that Kobe was the best player in the league during their run. He'd probably like people to forget that moment of humbleness.

Kobe made sacrifices for Shaq but the Lakers were obviously his team, cutting him off from making it easy for Shaq is what finally beat them.


And if you'd watched those series you'd have realized that.

It was debatable on the 2nd championship but clear on the 3rd it was Kobe's team then and going forward, Shaq knew it too, but he couldn't take it nor accept it. The Piston series definitely showed it to be true and it was obvious that it was Kobe's team going forward, Shaq acted immature, played the leverage game with Jerry buss and was sent packing, and Kobe got the blame.

 

While I agree that Kobe was just as important as Shaq during their championship days and both were critical to each others success correct me if I'm wrong but I remember the 2004 Finals against the Pistons very differently. And while I agree as well that stats do not tell the story I just wanted to put things into perspective because I believe if Kobe shot less and fed Shaq more during that finals against the Pistons, without a doubt I believe we could have handed their ass to them.

 

It was Kobe's team moving forward but I still believe until now that the finals against the pistons was the last season that Shaq was going to be "the man" on their team, as Shaq was on a steady decline and Kobe was clearly the best player in the NBA by this time. It just seemed to me that Kobe was too eager to get the mantle from Shaq and it showed during the 2004 finals chucking shot after shot.

 

Kobe is my favorite player of all time but the 2004 finals loss was largely his fault.

 

FGM - FGA

Game 1:

Shaq - 10-27

Kobe -  13-16

 

Game 2:

Shaq -10-20

Kobe - 14-27

 

Game 3:

Shaq- 7-14

Kobe - 4-13

 

Game 4:

Shaq - 16-21

Kobe - 8-25

 

Game 5:

Shaq - 7-13

Kobe - 7-21

 

 

Kobe's averages from the 2004 finals:
2004: 22.6 ppg, 4.4 apg, 2.8 rpg, 1.8 steals, .6 blocks, 3.6 turnovers, 38% shooting

Shaq's averages from the 2004 finals:
2004: 26.6 ppg, 10.8 rpg, 1.6 apg, .6 blocks, 63.1% shooting, 49% FT

[BasketballIQ]

No, the Pistons had more players than us.
Shaq was matched by the Wallace boys. Kobe was matched by Rip and Chauncey. Prince was much better than Payton at that time. We had no other player worth mentioning.

[BlueJab23]

Lovely coming from someone that never watched those games and are just pulling stats as if they tell the entire story and is taking nothing into thought as to how many of shots Shaq got because of Kobe and because of Kobe's ability to find him, facilitate it to him and make it easy for him.

Without that, Shaq wouldn't have accomplished it. Want evidence? Larry Brown knew this to be true, that's why he had the entire detroit pistons try to stop Kobe's facilitating and passing and ways to get Shaq involved, Forcing Shaq to have to create his own offense without Kobe doing it for him.

If you remember that was Larry"s entire strategy, to shut down the Shaq and Kobe connection and focus their efforts solely on Kobe and let Shaq do whatever he wanted "by himself" and know what happened? Kobe had to win a game for us and bail us out and every other game we lost.

Kobe has a lot to do with Shaq's success during those finals and throughout the playoffs and is even the reason a lot of those victories happened.

Be aware that even in our first championship season against the trailblazers it was Kobe whom scored on or assisted on the final 5 posessions of the game, the alley oop to shaq being the one all remember.

Lets also not forget that against the Pacers Shaq fouled out and it was Kobe who carried the team down the stretch.

SHAQ himself admitted that Kobe was the best player in the league during their run. He'd probably like people to forget that moment of humbleness.

Kobe made sacrifices for Shaq but the Lakers were obviously his team, cutting him off from making it easy for Shaq is what finally beat them.


And if you'd watched those series you'd have realized that.

It was debatable on the 2nd championship but clear on the 3rd it was Kobe's team then and going forward, Shaq knew it too, but he couldn't take it nor accept it. The Piston series definitely showed it to be true and it was obvious that it was Kobe's team going forward, Shaq acted immature, played the leverage game with Jerry buss and was sent packing, and Kobe got the blame.

 

So you assume that I didn't watch that series because I don't agree that Kobe should've won the FMVP? Then I guess majority of the people who gave Shaq the FMVP didn't watch the series as well. Come on dude, no one can stop Shaq in 2002 finals. It doesn't matter if it was Kobe's team after the 2nd championship, Shaq was still the best player in his team.