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[Majesty]

Ummmmm. actually he is. PJ would probably make things right or atleast be on the path to being right in under 2 weeks.


3 straight Finals with 2 Larry O'Brien Trophies to show for it.
Worked rather well actually.

Gasol was our starting and main center all 3 of those years in the playoffs we won. Bynum was injured and played sparing minutes with Gasol and it was Gasol and Odom that finished games. Try again.

[MDI]

Regardless of what system we run or what coach we have we need some damn shooters, under Phil, under Brown, under D'Antoni its been the same problem now your superstars are generating open looks out in the perimeter and nobody is able to knock them at an adequate rate to keep the defense honest. Teams are more than content to just pack the paint and let us shoot, we need more shooters. If you've played basketball you know how demoralizing it is to get good ball movement and get open looks all day only to come up empty time after time after time

Edited by MDI, February 19, 2013 - 02:38 PM.

[LakersGAFan]

Gasol was our starting and main center all 3 of those years in the playoffs we won. Bynum was injured and played sparing minutes with Gasol and it was Gasol and Odom that finished games. Try again.

Everyone knows he was injured and limited. But its not like he had no impact at all. PJ maximized what he had to work with. But it worked. Wasnt your original point that PJ didnt make Drew/Pau combo effective?
Bynum stats, 2010 NBA Finals
Game 1: 10 pts, 6 rebs, 1 block
Game 2: 21 pts, 7 reb, 7 blocks
Game 3: 9 pts, 10 rebs, 1 block
Game 4: 2 pts, 3 rebs, (12 mins)
Game 5: 8 pts, 1 reb, 1 block
Game 6: 2 pts, 4 rebs, 1 block (16 mins)
Game 7: 2 pts, 8 rebs, 1 block (19 mins)


http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=300606013

[Windu]

I don't hate Phil Jackson. I just acknowledge that he isn't an instant "I win" button of fixing this team.

NOT even Phil could make it work with Bynum and Gasol together at the same time.

Gasol was the starting center while Bynum was injured and when they played together it was sparringly.

The year Phil switched Bynum to starting lineup and made Fasol a forward was the year we got swept by Dallas. He NEVER made it work with Bynum and Gasol playing extended minutes together even in the triangle. And Gasol is about half of what he was back then even.

So let's not act like Philk can magically fix everything. There are blaring holes in this team that it would take more than Phil Jackson to fix, one of them being Dwight getting an off season to get healthy.

Remember how painful that dallas series was with an uninvolved uninvested Pau Gasol? Imagine the rest of the season like that. It ONLY sort of works with Gasol playing 5. Phil would have kept Gasol in the starting lineup and Clark would be riding the bench while trying to run it through Gasol and Howard and it wouldn't have worked.

It doesn't work unless Gasol is our starting center and Antawn is our "odom".

Trying to play them together would be disasterous again.

Just because he's Phil Jackson doesn't mean I'm going to ignore the obvious problems we had trying to play Gasol AND Bynum in that system. The same problems exist with an unhealthy Dwight especially with Gasol refusing to play a double post even when D'antoni tried to run it.

Phil doesn't fix these things, it started with him. Gasol is a big reason of the blame, but Phil doesn't fix him now either.

We'd be playing more or less how we play now if Phil was here. Nash off ball, Kobe initiating, some post touches for Howard and some screen and roll.

With the same problems apparent.

What Phil described to do with Dwight was basically what Mike Brown ran last year with Bynum.

And WHEN D'antoni has run that(yes he's ran some 4 out 1 in plays. With Dwight, Gasol complained about no post touches and checked out.

He'd do the same when Phil would try to run it and no amount of chest caving fixes that.

Have all the respect in the world for Phil Jackson. I just understand that the problems with this team that prevent them from going over the hump are ones he isn't gonna be fixed with the triangle.

Not as long as Gasol remains in the starting lineup(which he would with Phil here)

I don't hate Phil Jackson. I just acknowledge that he isn't an instant "I win" button of fixing this team.

No one said PJ is instant win. Nothing in sports is guaranteed but you put yourself in the best position possible to succeed. In no way, shape, form, or fashion is Mike D'Antoni a better coach than Phil Jackson NO MATTER WHAT THE ROSTER LOOKS LIKE. You wasn't too positive about PJ even when we had Mike Brown.

NOT even Phil could make it work with Bynum and Gasol together at the same time.

What's the point of this statement? PJ brought 5 championships to this franchise and 2 of those were with Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum on the roster. However he went about the roster rotations worked regardless.

So let's not act like Philk can magically fix everything. There are blaring holes in this team that it would take more than Phil Jackson to fix, one of them being Dwight getting an off season to get healthy.

Again, please stop exaggerating. NO ONE is making claims that PJ will be "magical". "Everything" would not be PJ's responsibility. There are other duties in this franchise that are the responsibility of Jim Buss, Jeanie Buss, Mitch Kupchak, assistant coaches, and etc. You have to start somewhere to fix some of these "glaring holes" and one BIG hole in this team is at the head coaching position; so that's where you begin to fix the situation...you fire Mike D'Antoni and bring in a superior coach in Phil Jackson.

Remember how painful that dallas series was with an uninvolved uninvested Pau Gasol? Imagine the rest of the season like that. It ONLY sort of works with Gasol playing 5. Phil would have kept Gasol in the starting lineup and Clark would be riding the bench while trying to run it through Gasol and Howard and it wouldn't have worked.

The PJ haters go-to move: The Dallas series. The man is so damn good that on the rare occasion that he does lose, he's garbage. I don't care how much support I show towards PJ, I'll never want Pau Gasol on this team. With the way he has regressed now, PJ may just do more than jab him in the chest. Mostly everything you're saying is speculation about what PJ would do; what I do know is that PJ will do what he thinks is in the best interest of winning championships. Could he be wrong? Sure! But more often than not he's right. You'd rather have the end results of Mike Brown and Mike D'Antoni?

Just because he's Phil Jackson doesn't mean I'm going to ignore the obvious problems we had trying to play Gasol AND Bynum in that system. The same problems exist with an unhealthy Dwight especially with Gasol refusing to play a double post even when D'antoni tried to run it.

Phil doesn't fix these things, it started with him. Gasol is a big reason of the blame, but Phil doesn't fix him now either.

I'm not telling you to ignore anything. Ask yourself what coach puts this team in a better position to win championships? Phil Jackson or Mike D'Antoni? It's a simple question (that should have an obvious answer). Phil fixes coaching issues...what that entails if he were to return remains to be seen but anyone who feels more comfortable with Mike D'Antoni over Phil Jackson is a nut.

We'd be playing more or less how we play now if Phil was here. Nash off ball, Kobe initiating, some post touches for Howard and some screen and roll.

Really? Completely different coaches, completely different systems, completely different level of respect. Who knows how he'd use Nash but I'd rather the "unknown" of PJ than this loser Mike D'Antoni.

Have all the respect in the world for Phil Jackson. I just understand that the problems with this team that prevent them from going over the hump are ones he isn't gonna be fixed with the triangle.

I've never seen it. When Brown was hired and discussions about PJ came up you were very negative towards him just like you are now. You speak as if you know for sure...I'm speaking from a position of probability. Some of the problems you see with this team is because of who our head coach is; again, that gets solved when you remove this bum. PJ and the triangle are responsible for 11 NBA championships (5 here in LA) and it's only common sense to believe in his methods over Mike D'Antoni...or any other coach for that matter.

Not as long as Gasol remains in the starting lineup(which he would with Phil here)

As sorry as Pau Gasol is, PJ can find a way around it. I can only hope that this franchise would do the right thing and get rid of this joke.

Edited by Windu, February 19, 2013 - 03:18 PM.

[Cj2008nw]

That's a totally unsubstantiated rumor, and specifically denied by Phil's people. And if that were what actually happened, the Lakers FO would have made that clear instead of using the "D'Antoni was a better fit for this roster" B.S.

He JUST SAID HE WANTS TO BE A VP IN THE INTERVIEW and he was just considering coaching... WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

[Mumford]

We'd be playing more or less how we play now if Phil was here. Nash off ball, Kobe initiating, some post touches for Howard and some screen and roll.

Of course, and using Metta and Jamison as second scoring options. Triangle mode right there.

[fido]

With better rotations, more confidence from the team in the coaching staff and far better ego management. Plus Phil actually runs a system and has an idea on how to win on all levels.

[Lakers4Life]

Ah with Phil at the helm we would have seen greatness come from this team. His ability to mesh talents and personalities is what made him so great. Our Chemistry would be ebbing right now. Eh whatever this season sucks.

[last stand 2.0]

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/jackson-359641-lakers-game.html this was the part interview that wasnt included in the special with bryant gumbel on hbo

"Jim is a guy that saw Andrew as a kid and thought Bynum was going to be a great pick for our team," Jackson said an interview with HBO's Andrea Kremer. "But in the process, I think he's wanted Andrew to have a bigger and bigger role, and I think he's hired his coach for Andrew to have a bigger and bigger role. And that kind of disjointed the symmetry of what the Lakers were really about this last year.
Photos: Phil Jackson's Laker years
"Andrew is an All-Star center; he did a wonderful job. But what happened was it took Pau out of his game, and it took the team away from some of their game. So they changed the style dramatically."

You just gave me a quote about Phil talking about the mike brown lakers, not once does he mention Bynums bigger role being forced upon him

[dukecityspecialist]

whatever you say pal LOL . Anyway I gotta clock in for work. Peace

You just gave me a quote about Phil talking about the mike brown lakers, not once does he mention Bynums bigger role being forced upon him

[dukecityspecialist]

Dude you're absolutely right smh. Forgive me for wasting your time and my in ab ility to read a quote correctly. What an epic fail of mega perportions on my behalf. Again my apologies

You just gave me a quote about Phil talking about the mike brown lakers, not once does he mention Bynums bigger role being forced upon him

[Ham]

Really? One interview one paragraph. Which was what? Get the ball more in the post to Dwight? He has the second most post touches in the league, he also leads the league in turnovers FROM post touches.

Why do you think he said right after basically

"Dwight needs to get more post touches but at the same time he needs to stop turning the ball over in the post when he gets it."

The reason he basically said that was because of what I stated above. Thus he also said it would take a year for Dwight to really get to that point.

Phil can't fix this team with a paragraph he basically said what is right and what is wrong with that plan.

The only truth there is, is that Dwight won't be right till next year and we hope that we resign him.

Dwight gets the second most post touches in the league behind Lopez and he turns the ball over more in the post as well than he has in his career.

Phil knows this, which is why he corrected it later in the interview.

No spacing = TO's

[bfc1125roy]

Just because Phil couldn't make the Drew-Pau combo effective doesn't mean he or anyone else can't make Dwight-Pau effective. That's the reason we traded for Dwight in the first place, remember? Bynum is useless unless he's sitting in the paint holding the ball for 10 seconds which stalls the offense and makes it easy for the defense to double him, and his bad facilitating caused everything to shut down. Howard is different because he's more mobile (especially when healthy) and is a better passer out of the post. The Lakers can play him in screen and rolls and things to create more space. And on top of that, it's not impossible to post 2 players in an offense, I've played in multiple ones where that's happened. The spacing just needs to be there. It exists in an offense like the triangle but not when nobody knows what the [expletive] they're doing (our offense now).

Edited by bfc1125roy, February 19, 2013 - 06:54 PM.

[androsays]

Coaching is about, "How do I get these people to play at their peak level?" Yeah, the X's and O's mean something, but you can get people to do that. And a lot of those guys have been hired. The Lawrence Franks and the Frank Vogels. Mike Brown was one of those guys. That's not a knock. Those guys know how to coach the game.

this is what PJ would've brought to the team. triangle, pick and roll, whatever, Phil would have figured it out.

god damn, i miss this dude.

[JasonWll]

Majesty just hates PJ for some reason.

That's funny coming from you...

[Windu]

That's funny coming from you...

I assume you're referring to Pau Gasol. The comparison is not even close