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[Windu]

Of course D'antoni wanted to coach the Lakers...but I use the term "coach" loosely. PJ wanted the job...that's not debateable. Mike wanted the title...the glitz...the recognition...and the money to be the head coach of the greatest franchise in sports. However, he is a failure wherever he has been...not even able to succeed with stops at multiple franchises. PJ didn't check out of the dallas series...he was outcoached but his players were miserably outplayed. But for every Dallas series, there's 11 NBA championship series.

[Majesty]

Not looking at it as a fan.

I'm looking at it as an organization that knows that winning and the media attention / tv numbers plus casual basketball fan audience Phil bring is greater than any b.s. rhetoric D'Antoni brings.

No matter how much to try to spin it Majesty, they should've done anything they could to bring Phil.

In one interview, one paragraph Phil can correct the Lakers problems. Meanwhile D'Antoni vascilates in his own bizarre basketball reality.

Really? One interview one paragraph. Which was what? Get the ball more in the post to Dwight? He has the second most post touches in the league, he also leads the league in turnovers FROM post touches.

Why do you think he said right after basically

"Dwight needs to get more post touches but at the same time he needs to stop turning the ball over in the post when he gets it."

The reason he basically said that was because of what I stated above. Thus he also said it would take a year for Dwight to really get to that point.

Phil can't fix this team with a paragraph he basically said what is right and what is wrong with that plan.

The only truth there is, is that Dwight won't be right till next year and we hope that we resign him.

Dwight gets the second most post touches in the league behind Lopez and he turns the ball over more in the post as well than he has in his career.

Phil knows this, which is why he corrected it later in the interview.

[fido]

Never said he was, but he sees things that can correct the Lakers within one interview that D'Antoni has yet to recognize or be able to fix.

Let alone being a far better ego manager than D'Antoni, which is 75% of the coaching battle nowadays.

[fido]

Keep fighting it Majesty, you'll see the light some day.

[Windu]

Majesty just hates PJ for some reason.

[fido]

I know, I just find it absolutely baffling.

[Cj2008nw]

Phil wanted to coach for the Lakers only if he could be Vice President in basketball operations

[WWBD]

The only explanation that makes sense to me for Majesty's irrational Phil hate is that he is secretly more pissed off than any of us that PJ was snubbed for Mike D'Antoni. But the thought of it makes him so crazy that he has to rationalize the move and pretend he doesn't really care.

[WWBD]

Phil wanted to coach for the Lakers only if he could be Vice President in basketball operations

That's a totally unsubstantiated rumor, and specifically denied by Phil's people. And if that were what actually happened, the Lakers FO would have made that clear instead of using the "D'Antoni was a better fit for this roster" B.S.

[Majesty]

I don't hate Phil Jackson. I just acknowledge that he isn't an instant "I win" button of fixing this team.

NOT even Phil could make it work with Bynum and Gasol together at the same time.

Gasol was the starting center while Bynum was injured and when they played together it was sparringly.

The year Phil switched Bynum to starting lineup and made Fasol a forward was the year we got swept by Dallas. He NEVER made it work with Bynum and Gasol playing extended minutes together even in the triangle. And Gasol is about half of what he was back then even.

So let's not act like Philk can magically fix everything. There are blaring holes in this team that it would take more than Phil Jackson to fix, one of them being Dwight getting an off season to get healthy.

Remember how painful that dallas series was with an uninvolved uninvested Pau Gasol? Imagine the rest of the season like that. It ONLY sort of works with Gasol playing 5. Phil would have kept Gasol in the starting lineup and Clark would be riding the bench while trying to run it through Gasol and Howard and it wouldn't have worked.

It doesn't work unless Gasol is our starting center and Antawn is our "odom".

Trying to play them together would be disasterous again.

Just because he's Phil Jackson doesn't mean I'm going to ignore the obvious problems we had trying to play Gasol AND Bynum in that system. The same problems exist with an unhealthy Dwight especially with Gasol refusing to play a double post even when D'antoni tried to run it.

Phil doesn't fix these things, it started with him. Gasol is a big reason of the blame, but Phil doesn't fix him now either.

We'd be playing more or less how we play now if Phil was here. Nash off ball, Kobe initiating, some post touches for Howard and some screen and roll.

With the same problems apparent.

What Phil described to do with Dwight was basically what Mike Brown ran last year with Bynum.

And WHEN D'antoni has run that(yes he's ran some 4 out 1 in plays. With Dwight, Gasol complained about no post touches and checked out.

He'd do the same when Phil would try to run it and no amount of chest caving fixes that.

Have all the respect in the world for Phil Jackson. I just understand that the problems with this team that prevent them from going over the hump are ones he isn't gonna be fixed with the triangle.

Not as long as Gasol remains in the starting lineup(which he would with Phil here)

[MDI]

-If you think about it long term like Dwight if hes gonna be here for 3-4 years is Phil willing to make that kind of commitment to this team. Maybe thats what FO was thinking, hire someone whos gonna stick around for a while
- Bynum/Pau couldn't work under Phil sooo how are Dwight/Pau supposed to work. Do we stagger their minutes with Clark?
- He mentions Horry, thats our stretch 4, even in the triangle we had someone who could make a J from the 4 spot, Pau is not that guy

[Majesty]

^ pretty much.

It doesn't work if Gasol and Howard are in the starting lineup.

Now it DOES work if we are running the lineup we were running before Gasol got injured.

Nash
Kobe
Clark
Metta
Howard

And bench of
Blake
Meeks
Starter
Jamison
Gasol


THAT starting and bench lineup would fit with the triangle perfectly.

But I don't see Phil ever taking Gasol out ofthe starting lineupo unless he asked.

And since Gasol pretty much said if Dwight was still the starter next year he'd ask for a trade I don't see him as a guy that would go to Phil and say "hey start Clark over me, he's better."

[dukecityspecialist]

@ majesty. The reason we saw a decline from pau and got swept according to Phil is because jim buss "wanted bynum to have a bigger and bigger role in the offense" and that basically "messed up the lakers symmetry" I don't think pau just suddenly fell off and suddenly became unmotivated as some would think. Look at what happened in spain when pau became the main option down low. He beasted. Phil was force fed bynum and that screwed the team more than anything imo. Phil mnew what was about to happen and that's why he left

[Majesty]

Well Gasol wouldn't be in a different scenario under Phil with Dwight here. So you made my point

[last stand 2.0]

@ majesty. The reason we saw a decline from pau and got swept according to Phil is because jim buss "wanted bynum to have a bigger and bigger role in the offense" and that basically "messed up the lakers symmetry" I don't think pau just suddenly fell off and suddenly became unmotivated as some would think. Look at what happened in spain when pau became the main option down low. He beasted. Phil was force fed bynum and that screwed the team more than anything imo. Phil mnew what was about to happen and that's why he left

that never happened. Bynum never was given an expanded role under phil by force. he was given a slightly more expanded role because of pau's ineffectiveness and Bynum's effectiveness post all star break. Pau dominates one Spain because the best big men in the Olympics are on Spain. marc, pau, and ibaka. Dwight was out, bogut was out. he was going up against sub par big men all tournament.

[dukecityspecialist]

I think wed be in a better position with pj period. Hed find a way to balance imo. Dantonis system was dumped so why even use the guy? Articles like these just re open old wounds for me :'( . Either way were stuck with dantoni and I hate every minute of it. Damn this sucks. Imma go clean dog [expletive] and vent my laker problems to my pitbulls and act like they care or even understand me at all.

Well Gasol wouldn't be in a different scenario under Phil with Dwight here. So you made my point

[dukecityspecialist]

so phil was lying?

that never happened. Bynum never was given an expanded role under phil by force. he was given a slightly more expanded role because of pau's ineffectiveness and Bynum's effectiveness post all star break. Pau dominates one Spain because the best big men in the Olympics are on Spain. marc, pau, and ibaka. Dwight was out, bogut was out. he was going up against sub par big men all tournament.

[last stand 2.0]

so phil was lying?

where's the quote saying jim forced him and he complied

[LakersGAFan]

I don't hate Phil Jackson. I just acknowledge that he isn't an instant "I win" button of fixing this team.

Ummmmm. actually he is. PJ would probably make things right or atleast be on the path to being right in under 2 weeks.

NOT even Phil could make it work with Bynum and Gasol together at the same time.

3 straight Finals with 2 Larry O'Brien Trophies to show for it.
Worked rather well actually.

[dukecityspecialist]

http://www.ocregiste...akers-game.html this was the part interview that wasnt included in the special with bryant gumbel on hbo

"Jim is a guy that saw Andrew as a kid and thought Bynum was going to be a great pick for our team," Jackson said an interview with HBO's Andrea Kremer. "But in the process, I think he's wanted Andrew to have a bigger and bigger role, and I think he's hired his coach for Andrew to have a bigger and bigger role. And that kind of disjointed the symmetry of what the Lakers were really about this last year.
Photos: Phil Jackson's Laker years
"Andrew is an All-Star center; he did a wonderful job. But what happened was it took Pau out of his game, and it took the team away from some of their game. So they changed the style dramatically."

where's the quote saying jim forced him and he complied