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#1 UNLABORED FLAWLESS

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Posted February 16, 2013 - 08:05 PM

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Jordan's Supporting Cast Combined Per-Game Stats:
Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant (1991 to 1993)—32.5 PPG, 16.8 RPG, 9.0 APG, 52.2 FG%
Scottie Pippen and Dennis Rodman (1996-1998)—24.9 PPG, 21.5 RPG, 8.6 APG, 45.8 FG
average 28.7PPG


Kobe's Supporting Cast Combined Per-Game Stats:
Shaquille O'Neal and Derek Fisher (2000 to 2002)—37.6 PPG, 14.5 RPG, 6.4 APG, 48.2 FG%
Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum (2009 and 2010)—33.3 PPG, 18.6 RPG, 4.6 APG, 55.9FG%
average 35.45PPG

LeBron's Supporting Cast Combined Per-Game Stats:
Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh (2011)—40.1 PPG, 12.7 RPG, 6.4 APG, 49.2 FG%

Kobe 1 all star per championship run
Jordan 1all star per championship run
Lerbon 2 all stars during run

what do you conclude by these numbers.

Edited by UNLABORED FLAWLESS, February 16, 2013 - 08:08 PM.


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Posted February 16, 2013 - 08:09 PM

Can we give it a rest? This [expletive] is getting old

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Posted February 16, 2013 - 08:10 PM

No matter what argument you say, the media and people will always be up lebron and Jordan's ass.

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Posted February 16, 2013 - 08:10 PM

Can we give it a rest? This [expletive] is getting old

But I thought you were 24allday

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Posted February 16, 2013 - 08:13 PM

No matter what argument you say, the media and people will always be up lebron and Jordan's ass.


Lebron just has the media hype right now wont always be like that. Same thing Kobe had a few years back when they were comparing him to mj left and right. The media will always find a way to make some story and lebron is number one in the NBA right now so they keep comparing him to MJ even though MJ said Kobe had a better career and even Dwade said Kobe was the best of this era.

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Posted February 16, 2013 - 08:16 PM

But I thought you were 24allday


Kobe all day... not Kobe compared to Lebron compared to Jordan all day. :)

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Posted February 16, 2013 - 08:17 PM

Lebron just has the media hype right now wont always be like that. Same thing Kobe had a few years back when they were comparing him to mj left and right. The media will always find a way to make some story and lebron is number one in the NBA right now so they keep comparing him to MJ even though MJ said Kobe had a better career and even Dwade said Kobe was the best of this era.


Nobody wants to say it but after 2004 colorado and the nba finals failure and the breakup of the lakers. The media didnt like Kobe thus only 1 regular season mvp and the constant discredit of his accomplishments

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Posted February 16, 2013 - 08:30 PM

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Posted February 16, 2013 - 08:35 PM

I'd argue Kobe had the least help out of everyone during his second run of championships. Pau was good and Lamar was inconsistently good, but everyone else sucked major ass. And nobody other than Ron/Ariza played a lick of D. Look at where Sasha, Farmar, Fisher, etc are now. At one point they were actually starting Vlad Rad during the first run to the finals. None of these guys were even close to Wade/Bosh or Pippen/Rodman good. Kobe made them seem a lot better than they actually were.

People should know by now adding up stats like that is a dumb way to evaluate it.

Edited by bfc1125roy, February 16, 2013 - 08:36 PM.


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Posted February 16, 2013 - 08:45 PM

I'd argue Kobe had the least help out of everyone during his second run of championships. Pau was good and Lamar was inconsistently good, but everyone else sucked major ass. And nobody other than Ron/Ariza played a lick of D. Look at where Sasha, Farmar, Fisher, etc are now. At one point they were actually starting Vlad Rad during the first run to the finals. None of these guys were even close to Wade/Bosh or Pippen/Rodman good. Kobe made them seem a lot better than they actually were.

People should know by now adding up stats like that is a dumb way to evaluate it.


''People should know by now adding up stats like that is a dumb way to evaluate it.''
i disagree somewhat with this statement. How else would you really evaluate it. People say Jordan ''won it by himself'' well stats show he had the least help sorta. In terms of ''star'' power lebron has the most help. Kobe probably had the most dominant player. If people say kobe had shaq well according to the stats lebron had wade and bosh both of which were/are top 10 players and all stars, Jordan and kobe never had this during any run to a ring

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Posted February 16, 2013 - 08:48 PM

Bleacher Report lololololololol



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Posted February 16, 2013 - 08:51 PM

Nobody wants to say it but after 2004 colorado and the nba finals failure and the breakup of the lakers. The media didnt like Kobe thus only 1 regular season mvp and the constant discredit of his accomplishments


You might feel this but when Kobe was slaying people on the court in his prime he drew his fair share of MJ comparisons as well, this will always happen though the media blows up anyone to make it a headline story. This happens in all sports its just the media hype machine. Just like sidney crosby was the next mario lemieux right? Not even close. Grant hill was being called the next jordan when it was around his draft time. Jimmy Clausen was also suppose to be the next steve young.

If you look to much into what the media says about sports you clearly wont be watching the games the same anymore. Anyone that has watch tape of MJ and Lebron can see the bron is an amazing athlete, but skill wise he is light years behind MJ. Bron still has a lot of years left in his carrer to show maybe he can be compared to jordan but until it plays out I'm not even saying he is in the same ball park as MJ.

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Posted February 16, 2013 - 08:53 PM

''People should know by now adding up stats like that is a dumb way to evaluate it.''
i disagree somewhat with this statement. How else would you really evaluate it. People say Jordan ''won it by himself'' well stats show he had the least help sorta. In terms of ''star'' power lebron has the most help. Kobe probably had the most dominant player. If people say kobe had shaq well according to the stats lebron had wade and bosh both of which were/are top 10 players and all stars, Jordan and kobe never had this during any run to a ring


Stats are good but you just can't add them up and average them to determine who had more help. I can use stats to HELP evaluate Pippen, Wade, Bosh, etc individually as well as their respective teams. But I also have to keep in mind who played in what era, what the average pace of the game was at the time, average FG% for various positions, zone vs. hand checking, etc. You also need to know each team, what offense they ran, who had what role. For example none of your posted stats have anything to do with defense (and steals/blocks isn't good enough to make that judgement).

For example, if I extend your logic, wouldn't adding up the stats of each player on each team just tell me which team is better? Obviously that doesn't work, or the Phoenix Suns in 2006 would have been one of the greatest teams ever.

Edited by bfc1125roy, February 16, 2013 - 08:55 PM.


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Posted February 16, 2013 - 08:57 PM

Stats are good but you just can't add them up and average them to determine who had more help. I can use stats to HELP evaluate Pippen, Wade, Bosh, etc individually as well as their respective teams. But I also have to keep in mind who played in what era, what the average pace of the game was at the time, average FG% for various positions, zone vs. hand checking, etc. You also need to know each team, what offense they ran, who had what role. For example none of your posted stats have anything to do with defense (and steals/blocks isn't good enough to make that judgement).

For example, if I extend your logic, wouldn't adding up the stats of each player on each team just tell me which team is better? Obviously that doesn't work, or the Phoenix Suns in 2006 would have been one of the greatest teams ever.



06 suns never won so your point is invalid

Edited by UNLABORED FLAWLESS, February 16, 2013 - 08:57 PM.


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Posted February 16, 2013 - 09:02 PM

06 suns never won so your point is invalid


Right but they were 1st in FG%, 1st in 3 pt %, 1st in ft %, 1st in assists, and 1st in points. So logically they should have won because thats the metric you're using for judging how good a cast is.

Also you ignored every other point I made.

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Posted February 16, 2013 - 09:09 PM

Right but they were 1st in FG%, 1st in 3 pt %, 1st in ft %, 1st in assists, and 1st in points. So logically they should have won because thats the metric you're using for judging how good a cast is.

Also you ignored every other point I made.


did i judge it or did the article i posted did.....hmmm

interesting conjecture. i dont need to address any points because the scope of the article was teams that won a championship, once the suns 06 team was used to support your case it became invalid

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Posted February 16, 2013 - 09:42 PM

Kobe's Supporting Cast Combined Per-Game Stats:
Shaquille O'Neal and Derek Fisher (2000 to 2002)—37.6 PPG, 14.5 RPG, 6.4 APG, 48.2 FG%
Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum (2009 and 2010)—33.3 PPG, 18.6 RPG, 4.6 APG, 55.9FG%
average 35.45PPG


So you're telling me that Shaq was the supporting cast when the lakers had 3peat? hahahahahaha.

Why are you so butt hurt that LeBron is the one being compared to Jordan right now instead of Kobe?

Maybe you just started watching basketball recently thats why you didn't know when the media would always compare Kobe to MJ.

Edited by BlueJab23, February 16, 2013 - 09:46 PM.


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Posted February 16, 2013 - 09:44 PM

Bleacher Report LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Fixed.

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Posted February 16, 2013 - 10:06 PM

Your all wrong. The best player ever is Tiago Splitter

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Posted February 16, 2013 - 10:07 PM

Your all wrong.

Actually you're wrong.

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