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#1 -Wade-

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Posted February 13, 2013 - 07:38 PM

^ The car creation deserves its own thread and own discussion. Far greater to say the least than this google glasses.


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Google expects its self-driving cars to be ready in three to five years

Speaking at a Society for Automotive Engineers (SAE) conference last week, product manager for autonomous driving Anthony Levandowski said that Google expects to release its self-driving car technology in the next three to five years. According to Bloomberg, however, Levandowski cautioned that "what form it gets released is still to be determined."

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Very cool technology. I reckon they'll integrate Google Maps into it with voice activation. "Take me to the nearest Taco Bell." Your car will automatically find the fastest route and automatically take you there. Don't like freeways? "Take a scenic route." ;) I hope Google integrates a wicked API so computer scientists and the like can contribute to the technology of the vehicles.

I know right now you can purchase a sensor for your car to aid in reversing. It makes a loud beeping sound if you come within 1 foot of an object while in reverse. I imagine the self-driving cars have sensors and lasers covering 360 degrees.

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Posted February 13, 2013 - 07:43 PM

Next thing you will know there will be Google Smart Houses.

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Posted February 13, 2013 - 07:44 PM

Next thing you will know there will be Google Smart Houses.


You're right. It will come one day, I imagine.

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Posted February 13, 2013 - 07:46 PM

YES! THIS FUTURE IS CLOSER THAN IMAGINED! I'm extremely excited for this as you can tell. There are obviously tons of questions still regarding this, but I strongly believe there are overwhelmingly far too many positives in this that outweight any & all negatives. There are tons of other awesome videos of this by the way on YouTube. Demonstration videos, explanations, opinions, etc. I recommend to anyone to spend some time and look through them. It's extremely fascinating.

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Posted February 13, 2013 - 07:55 PM

The number of [expletive]ty drivers on the road nowadays is mind boggling, I've almost been in some really bad accidents because of it. Something like these self-driving cars would help tremendously in reducing traffic fatalities.

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Posted February 13, 2013 - 07:57 PM

^ Absolutely. Car has sensors, cameras, basically eyes all over it 360 style. A human only has two eyes, easy to see who wins. You can text while riding then not putting other people's lives in danger. You can go home drunk and not worry about killing others, etc. It's said they've tested these for over 300,000 miles with no accident whatsoever and in Nevada and California they've been approved already to drive around live traffic & what not and no accident again whatsoever.

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Posted February 13, 2013 - 08:09 PM

It would change the idea of transportation, that is for sure. If the safety aspect of the technology could be assured, I think it has great potential. It would be interesting to see how self-driving vehicles impact traffic violations statistically.

If this technology becomes perfected and it drastically cuts down traffic violations and crime, do you guys see a mandate happening in the future where companies must produce self-driving cars only?

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Posted February 13, 2013 - 08:10 PM

This is a great thing but kinda scary.



A common mistake in engineering, in this case and in many others, is to put too much confidence into software. There seems to be a feeling among non software professionals that software will not or cannot fail, which leads to complacency and over reliance on computer function


This is from a paper on the therac-25 which was for radiation treatment and failed which over dosed 6 people. There problem is they didnt have hardware safty measure imbedded to make sure the machine didn't overdose people. The difference between this and the therac-25 is that there can't really be safety protocols. Either the car works or it crashes. Very little room for error.

Remember when a simple product you get has a bug and doesn't work it means nothing but when this kind of stuff fails people die.

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Posted February 13, 2013 - 08:11 PM

This is a great thing but kinda scary.





This is from a paper on the therac-25 which was for radiation treatment and failed which over dosed 6 people. There problem is they didnt have hardware safty measure imbedded to make sure the machine didn't overdose people. The difference between this and the therac-25 is that there can't really be safety protocols. Either the car works or it crashes. Very little room for error.

Remember when a simple product you get has a bug and doesn't work it means nothing but when this kind of stuff fails people die.


This. There isn't a program I know of that hasn't had a bug at some point. While it is great Google got one of their vehicles 300,000 without an accident, it is going to take a lot more to convince me they are safe to be in.

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Posted February 13, 2013 - 08:14 PM


http://www.helium.co...autonomous-cars

Pros

Perhaps first and foremost, accidents caused by inattentive driving, fatigue, or worst of all, the affects of alcohol would be greatly reduced, if not eliminated, altogether. The robotic properties of the car would ensure that its passenger or passengers would arrive at their chosen destination on one piece, and on time. Automated features within the car would go into action to prevent crashes or even running off the road. Thus, there would be no issues with using cell phones, texting, looking for that favorite tune on your iPod, applying that last bit of makeup, brushing your teeth, waking up with a cup of coffee, or even slamming a few beers down before taking a trip. Any amount of multi-tasking could take place while traveling at the same time. If you wanted to catch a few more minutes of sleep on the way to that 7:00 a.m. meeting, that would pose no problems, either.

If a business owned fleet vehicles, travel time (and hence money) would be saved. As an example, deliveries made today by trucks require human drivers. They need food breaks and if traveling long distances, they also need to stop at motels en route. Save for some sort of automated fuel stops, a driverless semi-truck could continue to haul its load straight through without stopping. Even in more localized settings, deliveries of any number of products could be made faster and without the added insurance risks of property damage or personal injury caused by accidents.

Cons

To begin with, a world filled with autonomous vehicles would spell the end of decades of automotive enthusiasm. While the average Joe or Josephine may have a hard time comprehending such a concept, enthusiasts enjoy driving. There's just something special about situating yourself behind a steering wheel
and being in total control of a machine that propels you from one place to another. The most rewarding experience involves the camaraderie of like-minded individuals in car clubs, shows, and other events. Such people will not willingly sacrifice a lifestyle that has become second-nature to them. To these types of individuals, a car is much more than a mere appliance that gets one from Point A to Point B.

Job losses would be catastrophic. As indicated above, professional drivers would no longer be needed. Thus, those who currently depend on driving buses, taxicabs, delivery vehicles, semi-trucks, and limousines for their livelihood would either find themselves in the unemployment line or be forced to be retrained in another line of work. By comparison, the resulting economic disaster would make the Great Depression of the 1930s seem like losing 50 cents in an uncooperative vending machine.

The initial costs of development of these types of cars would be enormous. If you think a $40,000 hybrid gas/electric car is overpriced, the first models of autonomous examples would likely command three times that amount. If special roadways with electronic sensors or tracks had to be constructed, this would likewise be extremely costly. Exactly how would this be financed?

Finally, one can reasonably assume that such automated cars would be dependent on computers and/or GPS satellites orbiting far above the earth. As most people should know, computers are quite vulnerable and prone to break down from time to time. And suppose some signal from that orbiting satellite got blocked. Would you like to be stuck five miles out from work in an inoperable vehicle? What if some malfunction occurs that causes two of these robotic vehicles to hit each other while going 45-50 miles per hour, and you have no idea you're about to collide with someone because you're too busy shaving? This is but one reason many people prefer to drive themselves.

Perhaps a compromise would be in order here: If autonomous cars are indeed inevitable, those who still prefer to drive the old-fashioned way should still be allowed that choice. To many, the open highway will always beckon.


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Posted February 13, 2013 - 08:26 PM

This. There isn't a program I know of that hasn't had a bug at some point. While it is great Google got one of their vehicles 300,000 without an accident, it is going to take a lot more to convince me they are safe to be in.

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exactly. That therac-25 worked thousands of times and it just took a few times for it to hurt or kill. You could argue that a 1/100,000 car error is safer than human error though. Still who knows.

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Posted February 13, 2013 - 08:37 PM

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exactly. That therac-25 worked thousands of times and it just took a few times for it to hurt or kill. You could argue that a 1/100,000 car error is safer than human error though. Still who knows.


Yeah, Google will have to publish some very convincing results, or massively deceive and leave computer scientists and engineers alike skeptical.

Also, how would this impact car insurance? Is Google releasing this technology to all car manufacturers, or are they patenting this exclusively for their own cars they will sell? If people aren't driving the vehicle and there is an accident, WHO IS AT FAULT? Nobody is paying attention to actually account for the situation that just happened. If a Google car crashes and kills someone, how much is Google paying out? Is Google liable? How much is a person's life valued at?



Just some cons, the idea is lovely.

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Posted February 13, 2013 - 08:39 PM

For the record guys, Google isn't the only company doing this. In fact, as other companies push this more, Google will more than likely either be pushed out for the most part or be around last in line eventually (potentially). It is said and rumored that several other car companies have superior technologies and features than that of what Google could ever offer.

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Posted February 13, 2013 - 11:45 PM

There will be a bigger outrage over a self driven car killing some one rather than human error.

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Posted February 13, 2013 - 11:51 PM

There will be a bigger outrage over a self driven car killing some one rather than human error.


You're right because humans have more confidence in their own ability than something that's out of their control. For example many people feel more afraid flying than driving even though driving is much more dangerous statistically. Obviously that's not a direct parallel but it's hard to trust technology at first, though I feel as though things like the self-driving car will get adopted over time pretty quickly. I think 1 accident caused by a rouge self driving car is better than a 100 due to human error, even though the media won't see it that way.

Interestingly enough, the only times a self-driving car has been in an accident is 1) when a human was controlling it, and 2) when someone rear ended a self driving car. I think that's proof enough.

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Posted February 14, 2013 - 03:15 PM



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