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[BasketballIQ]

One went to the Finals, albeit in the East, both lost to Spurs ultimately.

I think Mike Brown is the better coach, but I think both need similar type of team. young quick legs, to really do what they want to do on offense for MDA and defnse for Brown.

I think it's obvious that Brown wasn't the issue, but I don't think we could have won a title with Brown from a respect standpoint.

I think MDA has the luxury of veteran players knowing that their lack of cohesive play got a coach fired period.

[magicbalala245]

Everyone should have whiplash from how fast they're back pedaling by the looks of the poll. Revisionist history at its finest

You can find quotes of me saying on this forum particularly saying how the firing was a bad move for the Lakers unless if and only they hired Phil Jackson and that was a fact. The negatives I said the minute Antoni was hired was that he might get the Lakers the best record in the West at the time I said this but his coaching and his style will not win a championship with this roster but wow no one ever knew that Antoni was this bad of a [expletive]ing head coach

[last stand 2.0]

I think both were horrible fits, but I will say this, offensively Dwight was performing much better under brown.

Should have hired Sloan

[Massacre]

Doesn't really matter, we didn't do [expletive] with Brown and we're not doing anything with D'Antoni.

Don't care what changes are made to the roster, we won't win a title with him coaching this team.

I would keep this roster as is and make no changes for next season if it meant we could swap D'Antoni for Phil Jackson.

[fozi]

The firing was a mistake ,, its easy to see now. Prob is both have weak personalities. You don't want one when you have two egos in the team.

[West Coast]

Adding on to my earlier post, at least Mike Brown worked his ass off. He over coached this team instead of keeping things simple. Having ridiculously long shoot arounds and practices, adding in a offense that really tied the team down instead of playing to the strengths of the players, etc.

Brown put in the hours, hell the morning he was fired, he had slept overnight at the Lakers practice facility. Had Brown just brought in a better coach to run the offense, it would have worked out for him.

[BasketballIQ]

Mike Brown-weak


i'll say that with confidence, but D'Antoni has some bad energy around him or something

The way New york ended, i didn't like it.

Would Sloan ever come in as a consultant, then assistant, then just replace him like Mike woodson did.

I know I'm in the minority here but I think if you saw how Clark, by jus being hungry, quick, and just enough seasoning, he became a gem. Give Morris and Ebanks a little run.

Nash plays about 4 minutes too many anyway.

If you going to be small in that second unit. having Morris out there with Meeks andEbanks, along with Jamison and Clark, you have guys who can get up and down. Not as much shooting but we should only have Meeks shooting, we don't need to jack up a bunch of 3s with such poor rebounding. it should be the Antwan show at that point.

[fido]

I'd rather have a coach in Brown who micro manages at times but can back off if needed rather than a coach who simply has no idea how to manage on any level.

[Lakerace24]

I'd rather have a coach in Brown who micro manages at times but can back off if needed rather than a coach who simply has no idea how to manage on any level.

I'd never give one of these coaches the edge over the other. They're really not worthy of even being discussed in any sort of ranking.

On one hand we have Mike D and all the issues with his defense and coaching. Then we have Mike B with all of his bull[expletive] rotations like playing Ebanks over Meeks at the 2. Brown probably would've never played Clark either. Let's not forget how he ruined the play of Sessions last season. Both of these fools dug their own graves. They ruined the team I love and are making/made millions while doing it. They can kick rocks.

[West Coast]

I know I'm in the minority here but I think if you saw how Clark, by jus being hungry, quick, and just enough seasoning, he became a gem. Give Morris and Ebanks a little run.

Ebanks has been given chances here. Brown gave him plenty of chances last season, even giving Ebanks the starting job to start last year and he didn't take advantage of his time.

Morris has gotten run this year and he didn't take advantage of it either. He still has the same issues, playing out of control and making dumb decisions on the court.

Also with Ebanks, I do believe there are a lot of behind the scenes issues with him and his attitude. We saw the DUI this year and the assault allegations a couple years ago. There's no reason that he gets put in the dog house by two coaches without their being a reason. But with that said, Ebanks should be getting some time especially with how bad Metta is playing but makes me wonder about his attitude behind the scenes if he's buried on the bench.

It's very important NOT to compare Clark to Morris/Ebanks. Clark was a lottery a pick while Morris/Ebanks were second rounders, so the upside is there for Clark.

[BasketballIQ]

okay I'll give you that. I remember Bernie mentioned " the front office" when asked about Ebanks first being in the doghouse.

I know that skill-wise Morris is out of control.

i just need his sped. i saw what that element did for the team for moments in the season. Same with Ebanks in spurts. i mean why do coaches feel more safe with a veteran like Metta messing up and not allow Ebanks to at least learn on the fly?

[fido]

The team isn't making the playoffs and they're not going to succeed as is, why not just gamble with anything.

Though I think it won't work as Morris and Ebanks are D-League, or worse, material, might as well roll the dice.

[reryo]

lol read "potatohead" as "pothead" for a split second.

[bfc1125roy]

Ok to start off, both coaches aren't good and were glorified in one instance in their careers (Brown in Cleveland with LeBron and lots of shooters making him look good, and the same with D'Antoni and Nash in Phoenix). Once both these coaches were pulled outside their comfort zone, they didn't do so well.

I'm going to analyze this in terms of the coaching staffs instead of the individual coaches. Brown tried to run the four out one in offense last year because he thought Pau and Bynum were Duncan and Robinson. It didn't work, because Bynum can't create out of the post and the Lakers had John Kuester running the offense, the same dude who got [expletive]ed in Detroit.

Then Kobe suggested the Princeton offense and Brown hired Eddie Jordan to run that for us. That offense was actually a good one and we were getting decent shots out of it. The only problem was that Brown forgot how talented our roster was and forgot to cater the offense more to Kobe and Dwight while making use of Nash every now and then. Instead he over-coached and had the Lakers playing tightly in the system when they hadn't learned it yet and in situations when a simple PnR would have been more effective. This is why Kobe said that Bernie Bickerstaff "just let them [expletive]ing play" when he was asked what the difference between the two coaches was. On top of that, Brown's defensive coaching wasn't stellar either, so there was no point in keeping him around.

So along comes D'Antoni. There were a few problems here. First, he promised to hire a defensive assistant to fight the label of his teams not playing any defense, but of course he doesn't do [expletive] and all the Lakers have left is Steve Clifford, a coach from the Brown era, who has 30 minutes a practice to coach defense if anything. Then the Lakers are playing fine until Steve Nash comes along. D'Antoni thinks he now has the 2006 Phoenix Suns, gives MWP the green light to shoot as much as he wants, and relegates Dwight Howard to an Amare role. Of course the offense fails until Kobe takes it into his own hands and either dishes out 14 assists or scores 30+ a night to will the team to wins. Now the Lakers are stuck in this limbo where Kobe mostly controls the offense, instead they should be actually playing in a system where we post Kobe and Dwight and have Nash be the spot up shooter while occasionally running PnRs. Don't let MWP shoot more than 5 times a game and basically put everyone in their place, recognizing who the superstars and all stars on this team are.

Essentially, the Lakers [expletive]ed up, but so did the coaches. I was in support of the D'Antoni hire because I thought an "offensive mastermind" could come up with some offense that used the talent on the team properly. Erik Spolestera of all people could so it's not too hard for an NBA coach, but now I'm pretty sure neither of them will ever land a head coaching job in the NBA again. Hopefully the Lakers just fire D'Antoni in the offseason and start fresh like they should have in the summer of 2011.

[Goku]

- No full training camp.
- Coming right after Phil, thus expectations.
- Overweight MWP
- Nixed Pau Gasol - Chris Paul trade which caused Pau to act like a vag throughout the year and cost Mike Brown Odom,6th man of the year from previous season, replaced by whom? Troy Murphy and McSocks
- Bynum's retarded acting on and off the court.
- Kobe's inefficiency.
- No bench.
- MWP again being retarded, causing the 1st round to extend to 7th game.


41-25 and 3rd seed was great all things considered. Ironically, Princeton would have worked perfectly if you look at what we are doing right now. Him being a defensive specialist is just another bonus unlike D'Antoni's "We should score 115 point every game!" mentality, which of course failed.



But IMO neither are the sole reasons that made us suck this year. First thing to blame -> FO

Edited by Tensai, February 11, 2013 - 12:54 AM.

[gque24]

potatoe head by far

[JasonWll]

PotatoHead is not good.
Pringles is God damn [expletive]ing awful.

PotatoHead might win something one day...
Pringles will never, ever win anything!

[24allday]

I miss Potato head :/

[Nak]

One over coaches, the other doesn't coach enough.

This.
However, I'd rather have a defensive-minded coach with this personnel because offense is so much easier to be produced with so much talent around.

Edited by Nak, February 11, 2013 - 01:06 PM.

[LakerGeezer]

This is like when my tooth aches, I hit my toe with a hammer and my tooth doesnt feel so bad any more?