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#1 wydellmd

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Posted February 08, 2013 - 12:52 AM

I did not like our offensive flow tonight.....There was way too much one on one basketball, with no movement and definately not enough passing....I thought we turned a corner and realized how we needed to play, but unfortunatly we have reverted back to the type of offense we were running during our long losing streaks.....Kobe had 0 assists tonight, and held the ball a little too long..We were doing the same thing across the board though......Kobe was very effecient and was making shots, but the offense just didn't flow....The Celtics actually played the way we should have played.....Lots of ball movement and a ton of team assists.....Too much isolation with Howard as well.....He just really is not a very effective post player, unless he is right under the basket...He loses the ball way too much, and can't hit any free throws.....He needs to focus on defense, getting offensive rebounds, and moving without the basketball to get easy layups and dunks........Well, flush this game away, and lets come back stronger in our next two to end this road trip......

Edited by wydellmd, February 08, 2013 - 12:52 AM.


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Posted February 08, 2013 - 12:59 AM

He did faciliate in the first half, Meeks and MWP wasnt following through..


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D’Antoni said Bryant’s having 0 assists was due mostly to guys missing open shots. He was 9 of 15 from the field, 9 of 9 on FT’s.

Edited by Lakersfan1211, February 08, 2013 - 01:00 AM.


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Posted February 08, 2013 - 01:24 AM

So the offense didn't flow because of Kobe isolation? Let's ignore the fact that the only difference between facilitator Kobe and Kobe isolation is the activity of the 4 players off the ball. There is no difference between Kobe isolation and Kobe facilitating; he's doing the same exact thing in both cases by going one-on-one.

It's not on Kobe, but on the 4 guys who prefer to just stand around and watch instead of moving with any action off the ball. If they made an effort to free themselves up instead of standing around 25 feet from the rim, we would have had a much easier time scoring earlier tonight. I literally counted 3 straight possessions where the 4 other guys on the floor didn't do a damn thing except stand around on offense. It's horrible.

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Posted February 08, 2013 - 02:18 AM

Most of our guys were out of rhythm. I watched the game and he got his guys open looks. Some of missed wide open 3;s consecutively. He would have had at least 4 or 5 had some of them made those baskets. If he didn't go on that little hot streak we would have gotten blown out by like 50. We were just out of sync.
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Posted February 08, 2013 - 02:56 AM

So the offense didn't flow because of Kobe isolation? Let's ignore the fact that the only difference between facilitator Kobe and Kobe isolation is the activity of the 4 players off the ball. There is no difference between Kobe isolation and Kobe facilitating; he's doing the same exact thing in both cases by going one-on-one.
It's not on Kobe, but on the 4 guys
pluswho prefer to just stand around a
nd watch instead of moving with any action off the ball. If they made an effort to free themselves up instead of standing around 25 feet from the rim, we would have had a much easier time scoring earlier tonight. I literally counted 3 straight possessions where the 4 other guys on the floor didn't do a damn thing except stand around on offense. It's horrible.

plus guys missed every would be assist kobe created forthrm. at least 7 blown assist attempts
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Posted February 08, 2013 - 02:56 AM

We lost cuz everyone else sucked. Kobe was the only guy doing well.

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Posted February 08, 2013 - 02:59 AM

nash cant run pg vs young guards who can check him 90 feet. coach d got fooled in2 thinking nash could go back 2 primary facilitator. it dont work with d12 on court. dont wait until the gm is out of reach to make kobe run the o.
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Posted February 08, 2013 - 03:23 AM

27 points on 15 shots

Kobe was great

No one else showed up

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Posted February 08, 2013 - 04:00 AM

"Finally in Charlotte . Gotta get some rest. We will be on point tomorrow and continue playing as a unit#backontrack. " Kobes latest tweet

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Posted February 08, 2013 - 04:01 AM

Everybody looked dead. He barely touched the ball the first few minutes, but we weren't scoring (failed to take advantage of a very early penalty, too).

He mostly went ISO after he realized no one else came to play.

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Posted February 08, 2013 - 04:03 AM

Kobe could facilitate because he could penetrate and have open passing lanes. Thats because Pau knew the proper way to rotate, draw defenders away from the basket and make space in the lane.
Dwight just stands there with his hands up.

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Posted February 08, 2013 - 05:57 AM

Boston is a top 10 defensive team in the NBA. If the Lakers aren't knocking down shots, they aren't going to beat the Celtics.

I can sit here and write 10 paragraphs as to why they won't, but in layman's terms, nobody has a clear role on this team aside from the role of "savior" played by Kobe every night AND the multitude of shooters who do absolutely nothing more than stand there and wait for open jumpers (Artest, Jamison, Meeks, sometimes Clark). Nash doesn't know what to do...so he's trying to fit in with Kobe, and really, he and Clark are the only two guys trying to play around Bryant, recognizing him as the superstar.

There's no connection between Bryant and anyone else on this team, not even Gasol, and that's why we are a struggling offensive squad that depends on Kobe's 30+ OR him throwing 14 assists, which is ridiculous when you consider the talent we have.

Defensively, there's nothing to say that hasn't been said before. No defensive system in place. Dwight is playing like Jermaine O'Neal...the one that was getting picked apart by injuries late in his career with Indiana. Ironically, Jermaine hurt his shoulder (I believe) during that time, after losing significant elevation to begin with, and started playing like he was hurt every game. Meanwhile, Ron Artest plays too close to his man and has no idea how valuable separation is to an older defender (he needs to ask Kobe).

Nash, Gasol, Jamison, and Meeks, together, couldn't defend a kid from swinging too high on a swing set.

I really don't even like this team, and it doesn't help that Mike D'Antoni, who is a one-trick pony that has relied on a prime Steve Nash his entire career (because he SUCKED in Denver and New York), is quite possibly the largest problem. I can't believe I'm saying this...but he might have the biggest ego among everyone in that locker room.

The difference between him and the next big ego is that some guys use it to their advantage to win championships (Kobe, Shaq, Jordan, Phil, Magic, Bird, LeBron), while D'Antoni will never see one as long as he thinks he's an elite coach with his 400+ regular season wins, losing record in the playoffs and zero conference championships.

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Posted February 08, 2013 - 09:29 AM

i'm conflicted because I never thought Kobe had to do what he did and take over Nash's role, but when I was watching those first two games in particular, Kobe was REALLY spoon feeding some of these other guys, now Boston did play him for the pass on a lot of occasions, but I still thought, Kobe played a little too much one-on-one today. Metta too though.


I don't think Metta and Kobe really play well together, unless Metta is ON from the 3 point line. Both of them want to iso from the elbow extended down

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Posted February 08, 2013 - 09:36 AM

i'm conflicted because I never thought Kobe had to do what he did and take over Nash's role, but when I was watching those first two games in particular, Kobe was REALLY spoon feeding some of these other guys, now Boston did play him for the pass on a lot of occasions, but I still thought, Kobe played a little too much one-on-one today. Metta too though.


I don't think Metta and Kobe really play well together, unless Metta is ON from the 3 point line. Both of them want to iso from the elbow extended down

At least players were putting themselves in a position to be spoon fed easy buckets. Last night everybody thought they were shooters and just camp the 3 point line while Kobe went to work.

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Posted February 08, 2013 - 09:39 AM

I'm not blaming Kobe, I just was watching some of those games, and I thought, wow, Kobe went OUT OF HIS WAY to facilitate.


it was working out, so I want us to win, and if that's the only way his teaamates will play well, then Kobe just Do it

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Posted February 08, 2013 - 09:48 AM

RT @kobebryant: Just finished team prep mtg. #Counton1assisttonight All jk aside I will make the correct play if it leads to assist then great #countonit



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Posted February 08, 2013 - 10:00 AM

This is the paranoid part of me speaking, but I really feel as though this team is falling apart. Dwight looks incredibly disinterested, to the point where somebody needs to light a fire under his ass, and it seems like he's just counting the days until free agency when he can bring more unnecessary drama to the organization. People who are supposed to make incredibly wide open shots on this team can't even do that, even though they are NBA players, so Kobe has to dish out several assists or score a lot to keep them in the game. Steve Nash is the only other person who looks like he cares, but he's too old to do anything. In the meanwhile Pau is sitting on the side [expletive]ing next to D'Antoni who, as the head coach of the [expletive]ing Los Angeles Lakers, can't even install an offense that works and refuses to coach defense.

With the unfriendly contract situation and a lack of tradeable assets, this is the first time in the season where I've been legitimately worried. And that could mean the early retirement of Kobe, who I've been watching most of my life (and I consider it a huge luxury since he'll finish as the second greatest ever imo), and we all know there's not going to be another Kobe for a long, long time after that, and what are the odds the Lakers land that player anyways?

Sorry to be a pessimist, but it seems like this scenario is becoming more likely every day.

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Posted February 08, 2013 - 10:03 AM

The Lakers looked tired. The Celtics bench outscored the Laker bench. Celtics out rebounded the Lakers, even though the Celtics are a smaller team. Defense was horrible. Guys just standing around. Defense begins with desire.

I am dreading the Miami game. I hope the Lakers show up.

How do the Celtics lose their MVP and suddenly get better? I say that Doc Rivers is one of the best coaches in the NBA right now.

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Posted February 08, 2013 - 10:13 AM

This is the paranoid part of me speaking, but I really feel as though this team is falling apart. Dwight looks incredibly disinterested, to the point where somebody needs to light a fire under his ass, and it seems like he's just counting the days until free agency when he can bring more unnecessary drama to the organization. People who are supposed to make incredibly wide open shots on this team can't even do that, even though they are NBA players, so Kobe has to dish out several assists or score a lot to keep them in the game. Steve Nash is the only other person who looks like he cares, but he's too old to do anything. In the meanwhile Pau is sitting on the side [expletive]ing next to D'Antoni who, as the head coach of the [expletive]ing Los Angeles Lakers, can't even install an offense that works and refuses to coach defense.

With the unfriendly contract situation and a lack of tradeable assets, this is the first time in the season where I've been legitimately worried. And that could mean the early retirement of Kobe, who I've been watching most of my life (and I consider it a huge luxury since he'll finish as the second greatest ever imo), and we all know there's not going to be another Kobe for a long, long time after that, and what are the odds the Lakers land that player anyways?

Sorry to be a pessimist, but it seems like this scenario is becoming more likely every day.


Not another Kobe but plenty of guys who can drop 20+ (no disrespect to the Bean). Plenty of good players in this league. We'll be fine either way just gotta change our franchise's direction in accordance to style of play. Showtime isn't winning rings in today's NBA. Defense first is. Just a bad mentality, who cares if you play pretty basketball if you are winning games? Ask the Spurs.

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Posted February 08, 2013 - 10:14 AM

Doc Rivers is one th the best coaches no doubt, but it ain't about who you lose

They have guards named Jason Terry, Avery Bradley and Courtney Lee, as well as Barbosa. I would say, you have ENOUGH at the guard position. They have perimeter forwards like Green and Pierce. I mean that's among the best SF tandem in the league. They have Bass and Garnett on top of that.

Thats a NICE 8 players , with 3 rings in that bunch, and a couple more Finals' appearances. Got some youth and some speed and though they are small, they still have enough size with some good rebounding SFs on top of that.


We have Kobe, Nash, Meeks, Blake, Dwight, Metta, Jamison and Clark. We are small but we have enough to keep up this pace. If we win this next game and lose in Miami then we got another 10 games in which we need to win 7 and that is a TOUGH stretch. So Lakers just have to keep fighting.Can NOT lose tonight though




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