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[gque24]

thats cuz it dont work with nash running PG!

like i said let kobe run the offense

[WhatUSaid]

Good. Staff sucks ass.

[GCMD]

Because its a "vision" that has never won anything or done anything of significance.

The coach should know more than the players, not the other way around. Or at the least the coach should be able to manage or contribute to the players and their effort. Alas, that isn't so with the Lakers right now.

Just more backwards crap for this absolutely bizarro NBA universe we're in right now.

Players are supposed to play the game. If they had committed to the "vision" and it wasn't working, fine, move on.

You can't keep throwing the "it hasn't won anything" argument up there when it's not given a fair chance to work.


Phil NEVER coached a team without (2) top three or top ten players...so who's to say that it wasn't just PHIL's COACHING style and not the TRIANGLE? Maybe it was MJ and Pip or Kobe and Shaq...maybe it was Kobe and Pau?...basically why does the TRIANGLE get so much credit automatically and these other factors get minimized?

NOONE ELSE has done what Phil has done or even gotten CLOSE by running the Triangle...even the guy who Phil relied on MOST (Text Winters) to install and critic the offense didn't have Phil's success in his own career.


People keep talking about how bad this style is and how it's never won anything....UHHH, ShowTime Lakers, anyone? I'm pretty sure Riley won a few Rings in an uptempo game.


This is the problem. Fans want what they want. Players having pis-ing contests on the court over "who knows more" or "who's won more".


This is here.
This is now.

We aren't living in the past. If we do, we can' possibly succeed. If Kobe and Pau just TRIED to move forward and win WITH Nash and Howard, we'd be looking at no less than a 3rd overall seed instead of a lottery pick that we won't even get to keep.



Get
Over
The
Triangle.

It's gone. Let's move on. Give the offense and the COACH a chance. Give the new players a seat at the table instead of lording over them. Play together.


I shouldn't have to say this but it seems a lot of people have lost sight of basketball as a sport. On any level, you have to constantly adjust to changes...be it changing coaches, changing players, changing offenses, changing talent. You can't develop chemistry without buying in to a "vision" 100% and committing every second of every play to that vision.

I'm disappointed that you aren't preaching that.

Edited by GCMD, January 26, 2013 - 08:50 PM.

[LakerGeezer]

Interesting thread to revisit a week later.


Reasonably knowledgeable fans can see when a style/ system/ approach is a bad fit for a team and its players. Heck, even the players who have previously played in the system may eventually realize its that its a bad fit in the current situation. They may even step forward, acknowledge it, and embrace a change that could drastically affect their own performance in the system. You never know, it could happen ....

[Majesty]

Well nash himself has wanted to play off ball for some time.

[LakerGeezer]

^Source?

[Majesty]

^Source?

Steve Nash.

Just look at any of his recent interviews or even what he was saying at the start of the season about it and why he backed what Mike Brown wanted to do rather than running PNR everytime down.

Nash is getting his wish now and sounds like a kid in the candy store when he talks about never having the advantage of "being" the catch and shoot other than setting up the catch and shoot with a big smile.

[LakerGeezer]

^I see our point.

Edited by LakerGeezer, February 01, 2013 - 06:07 AM.

[Real Deal]

Ugh. The Showtime Lakers didn't have a 39-year old PG running the show, a 34-year old two-guard, a 33-year old SF, a 32-year old PF, a 36-year old backup PF, and an injured center who is still having trouble jumping.

No need to compare the two offenses, anyway...because Showtime didn't shoot threes. They were horrible from beyond the arc, with the exception of maybe one season, and in that season, they attempted just 5.4 3PTA/G...which is less than Kobe OR Artest, by themselves, this season.

[bigvee]

Ugh. The Showtime Lakers didn't have a 39-year old PG running the show, a 34-year old two-guard, a 33-year old SF, a 32-year old PF, a 36-year old backup PF, and an injured center who is still having trouble jumping.

No need to compare the two offenses, anyway...because Showtime didn't shoot threes. They were horrible from beyond the arc, with the exception of maybe one season, and in that season, they attempted just 5.4 3PTA/G...which is less than Kobe OR Artest, by themselves, this season.

This really is something many people don't understand when comparing modern day teams to Showtime ball. Magic Johnson himself compared the Clippers to Showtime. I see the Clippers losing many more games this season if it weren't for the 3 pointer.

I guess anytime basketball becomes exciting to watch the first thing people want to say is "Showtime".

[Real Deal]

This really is something many people don't understand when comparing modern day teams to Showtime ball. Magic Johnson himself compared the Clippers to Showtime. I see the Clippers losing many more games this season if it weren't for the 3 pointer.

I guess anytime basketball becomes exciting to watch the first thing people want to say is "Showtime".

Additionally, it was easier to score in the 80's. People don't like to admit that, but to prove a point...

From 1979-80 TO 1988-89 (10 seasons), games where a team scored under 70 points: 5 games
In the 2012-13 season (half of ONE season), games where a team scored under 70 points: 6 games

And that's just this year, up until today (February).

Last year, in a shortened 66-game season, there were 20 games.

It's much, much more difficult to score these days. You can't just run up the court and get buckets anymore.

[last stand 2.0]

Why didn't we hire Rick adelman again smh

[KobeWillReturnTriumphant]

I'd disagree with Nash. The vision of dantoni is trash, and that is what we see more often than not.

[LakerGeezer]

^{I think we saw in Phoenix the best result that MDA's system can produce with the right pieces in place- it was a highly entertaining, playoff caliber team, but far from a championship level product. What made the FO think it could it would turn out any better here, with the worng pieces?}

[Phil Jackson]

Additionally, it was easier to score in the 80's. People don't like to admit that, but to prove a point...

From 1979-80 TO 1988-89 (10 seasons), games where a team scored under 70 points: 5 games
In the 2012-13 season (half of ONE season), games where a team scored under 70 points: 6 games

And that's just this year, up until today (February).

Last year, in a shortened 66-game season, there were 20 games.

It's much, much more difficult to score these days. You can't just run up the court and get buckets anymore.

What about scoring in the 90s vs now?

[Real Deal]

What about scoring in the 90s vs now?

If you want the numbers...there were 142 games where a team scored under 70 points, from the 1989-90 season until the 1998-99 season.

Only around 23-24 of those instances came in the first half of that decade. You saw it more often in the second half of the 90's.

Just for fun...it happened in 273 games from 1999-00 to 2008-09 (last decade).

So far, in this current decade, we're at 50 games. That's on pace to hit the 150 mark.

Defense is back down a bit, probably due to the lack of defensive anchors + the dominant scorers in the league today, but not even CLOSE to how low it was back in the 80's.

[Windu]

^{I think we saw in Phoenix the best result that MDA's system can produce}

[Mumford]

People keep talking about how bad this style is and how it's never won anything....UHHH, ShowTime Lakers, anyone? I'm pretty sure Riley won a few Rings in an uptempo game.

[Majesty]

Steve Nash had 17 points on 6 of 9 FGs (3 of 3 3’s), 7 rebounds & 7 assists (plus 2 blocks!?!?) without a turnover in 37 minutes.

I like this new scoring steve nash!

[Ham]

Don't use yesterday's game as an example to judge if we're a championship team or not. The lights out shooting was an anomaly that caused a trigger-happy team beyond the 3 point line. This eventually led to zone defense and us missing shots. That won't happen everyday.