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[Drazard]

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[lakersince75]

Pau didnt dominate the ball when Bynum had his best season last yr. Pau took a step back & was the #3 option. Pau was lazy & on dead legs last season. Bynum was healthy & LA had plenty of ups & downs with Bynum as #2 (he was never consistent on defense & Bynum missed countless layups & lob attempts) In any system you take D12! Bynum will be lucky to have a career outside of Lakers.

And I've seen Dwight Mr Turnover do the same. (missing 2 ft chip shots and mishandling assist on a regular basis) While I agree Dwight is very dominant, do not confuse his talents with Hakeem, Ewing, Robinson, Kareem, Wilt, and Shaq. Bynum is much closer to D12 than D12 is to these guys. Again; from a skill standpoint, it's all Bynum. From a dominating athletic standpoint, it's all D12. At the center position skill will carry you into your late 30's in this league. Dunking and jumping, MAY take you to 33/34. Bynum not having a career outside the Lakers? Wow!! That's alot of hate. Only Bynums health will keep him from 22/12/3 in Philly. Especially in this league of watered down centers

[LakeShow805]

And I've seen Dwight Mr Turnover do the same. (missing 2 ft chip shots and mishandling assist on a regular basis) While I agree Dwight is very dominant, do not confuse his talents with Hakeem, Ewing, Robinson, Kareem, Wilt, and Shaq. Bynum is much closer to D12 than D12 is to these guys. Again; from a skill standpoint, it's all Bynum. From a dominating athletic standpoint, it's all D12. At the center position skill will carry you into your late 30's in this league. Dunking and jumping, MAY take you to 33/34. Bynum not having a career outside the Lakers? Wow!! That's alot of hate. Only Bynums health will keep him from 22/12/3 in Philly. Especially in this league of watered down centers

Howard has intelligence such as knowing to not bowl while injured.

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[gque24]

And I've seen Dwight Mr Turnover do the same. (missing 2 ft chip shots and mishandling assist on a regular basis) While I agree Dwight is very dominant, do not confuse his talents with Hakeem, Ewing, Robinson, Kareem, Wilt, and Shaq. Bynum is much closer to D12 than D12 is to these guys. Again; from a skill standpoint, it's all Bynum. From a dominating athletic standpoint, it's all D12. At the center position skill will carry you into your late 30's in this league. Dunking and jumping, MAY take you to 33/34. Bynum not having a career outside the Lakers? Wow!! That's alot of hate. Only Bynums health will keep him from 22/12/3 in Philly. Especially in this league of watered down centers

Does D12 get cheated by the refs every game in your opinion? Yes he turns the ball over far too much = but are the majority of those turnovers from fouls that go uncalled? I would say in many gms this season yes more than none. Ive always hated Bynum so there is nothing new there! His health & attitude towards rehab is the exact reason why I said he will be lucky to have a career after Lakers. We will see how many seasons he actually plays! Will he steal $ & not play = of course he has been doing that his entire careeer already.

Edited by gque24, January 15, 2013 - 01:25 PM.

[Phil Jackson]

Does D12 get cheated by the refs every game in your opinion? Yes he turns the ball over far too much = but are the majority of those turnovers from fouls that go uncalled? I would say in many gms this season yes more than none. Ive always hated Bynum so there is nothing new there! His health & attitude towards rehab is the exact reason why I said he will be lucky to have a career after Lakers. We will see how many seasons he actually plays! Will he steal $ & not play = of course he has been doing that his entire careeer already.

I think Dwight gets hacked a lot but he also does get cleanly stripped a lot as well. I think Bynum did a better job of using his body to protect the ball from getting stripped and he had a softer touch around the basket so I never really semi-cringed when he made a move like I do with Dwight when he does that same predictable fake middle go baseline face up that he does or when he backs in and pivots but somehow it looks like he pivots in a circle and stays in the same spot and throws it up and hits the backboard and no iron nahimsayin?

Bynum always had a determined butthurt look on his face though and he was a black hole on offense.

[gque24]

^^Bynum got more 1 0n 1 looks than D12 does currently. I think if we had another coach who used bigs correctly D12 would avg more pts easily. I hear you on D12 setup moves I see same thing at times. He doesnt recognize the double teams well but neither did Bynum. I really think D12 is so disgusted with Lakers mainly cuz of MWP & Pau. They are making the gm harder for him than it really needs to be. If Pau played like his normal self than D12 wouldnt get as many double teams & he would have more high quality ops. If we had real spot up shooters defenders wouldnt just pack it in & demand us to gun freely & D12 would once again have more quality ops. But for the type of surgery & the talent on the roster (in regards to shooters) D12 is doing a solid job & it will only get better as his health does. Now if Pau & MWP get under control & play consistent then we wouldnt need D12 at exactly 100% to be a legit threat come playoff time.

[Rad]

I think Dwight gets hacked a lot but he also does get cleanly stripped a lot as well.

This is very apparent. With Dwight's height and athleticism, he needs to adopt the skill of keeping the ball up high which Bynum did quite efficiently, Gasol also to a degree. Maximize that height advantage.

[BasketballIQ]

No player is perfect...Dwight isn't the BEST player in the league but he is in that Elite Group of 10 or less

[lildvl10]

You are really dumb if you would take Dwight over Kevin Durant (who barely misses games), lebron James (no need to explain), Chris Paul (the guy is amazing.

i would take durant and james over dwight, but for paul? no

[Real Deal]

Andrew Bynum...on any team with any offense, any playground, any court...is not better than Dwight Howard.

Two years ago, before LeBron reached his ultimate prime, there were small forwards who had better post games. That didn't mean they were better than LeBron.

In the same light, Kevin Durant doesn't have a post game. In fact, he's a pretty bad post player...but is he better than Paul Pierce, overall? Most definitely, yes. Is he better than Luol Deng, who can post up? Yes, not even close.

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Howard having limited post moves means nothing, because it's all made up in the way he attacks the rim face-up, the presence he has when he is near the rim AND his back to the basket (an auto dunk if you don't double him), and the defensive presence.

Dwight also knows how to pass out of doubles.

Drew's three main post moves (lol...people act like he's Hakeem) don't make up for the low IQ on BOTH ends of the court, the inability to pass out of double teams, and the lackluster defensive efforts both on-ball AND defending the P&R and providing help D.

Yeah, we dominated Orlando in the 2009 NBA Finals. It was Howard's team...that he carried into the 2009 NBA Finals. Let's all say it together: he was the PRIMARY OPTION in an offense that was BUILT FOR HIM, built for the center position (the four out, one in), and was THE BEST defensive player on the team by miles...a team that was ranked bottom three (at some points, dead last) in defensive rating when Howard was not on the court.

He has to be fed the ball? You mean post-entry pass? ALL big men need post-entry. Otherwise, who was feeding Howard the ball in Orlando? That ball was dropped into the paint, and Howard was feeding it back out to shooters...all game long. It would swing along the perimeter, as Howard watched his presence in the paint produce points either by hockey assists to teammates, or by him just doing whatever he wanted down low.

Howard is the best center in the NBA, and it's not even close. He was last year, he is this year, and he will be next season. The only center who had a chance to dethrone him was Yao Ming, and that's it.

[West Coast]

Andrew Bynum...on any team with any offense, any playground, any court...is not better than Dwight Howard.

Two years ago, before LeBron reached his ultimate prime, there were small forwards who had better post games. That didn't mean they were better than LeBron.

In the same light, Kevin Durant doesn't have a post game. In fact, he's a pretty bad post player...but is he better than Paul Pierce, overall? Most definitely, yes. Is he better than Luol Deng, who can post up? Yes, not even close.

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Howard having limited post moves means nothing, because it's all made up in the way he attacks the rim face-up, the presence he has when he is near the rim AND his back to the basket (an auto dunk if you don't double him), and the defensive presence.

Dwight also knows how to pass out of doubles.

Drew's three main post moves (lol...people act like he's Hakeem) don't make up for the low IQ on BOTH ends of the court, the inability to pass out of double teams, and the lackluster defensive efforts both on-ball AND defending the P&R and providing help D.

Yeah, we dominated Orlando in the 2009 NBA Finals. It was Howard's team...that he carried into the 2009 NBA Finals. Let's all say it together: he was the PRIMARY OPTION in an offense that was BUILT FOR HIM, built for the center position (the four out, one in), and was THE BEST defensive player on the team by miles...a team that was ranked bottom three (at some points, dead last) in defensive rating when Howard was not on the court.

He has to be fed the ball? You mean post-entry pass? ALL big men need post-entry. Otherwise, who was feeding Howard the ball in Orlando? That ball was dropped into the paint, and Howard was feeding it back out to shooters...all game long. It would swing along the perimeter, as Howard watched his presence in the paint produce points either by hockey assists to teammates, or by him just doing whatever he wanted down low.

Howard is the best center in the NBA, and it's not even close. He was last year, he is this year, and he will be next season. The only center who had a chance to dethrone him was Yao Ming, and that's it.

[last stand 2.0]

Quinto and pine gif= awesome

[UKUGA]

He's pretty good. He's been injured. The last two games have been his best back2back performances of the year.

Barring setbacks to his back/shoulder, look-out.

He changes everything for us on the both ends of the court.

[Hangtime]

How many championships has Howard contributed to? hmmmmmmmmmm.... He's over-rated and I'd still take Bynum over loser Dwight.
Jim Buss---is the PROBLEM!

[24allday]

How many championships has Howard contributed to? hmmmmmmmmmm.... He's over-rated and I'd still take Bynum over loser Dwight.
Jim Buss---is the PROBLEM!

Lol you build that Orlando team around Bynum instead of Dwight you aren't getting out of the first round. You're insane.

[gque24]

How many championships has Howard contributed to? hmmmmmmmmmm.... He's over-rated and I'd still take Bynum over loser Dwight.
Jim Buss---is the PROBLEM!

Bynum contributed in street clothes?

Or you mean he contributed with 6pts 6 rebs? Bynum was along for the ride & injured when LA had their success winning TItles.When Bynum was healthy & contributing = Lakers were losing early in playoffs. Just stop thinking he meant anything to the Titles.

[Nak]

Andrew Bynum...on any team with any offense, any playground, any court...is not better than Dwight Howard.

Two years ago, before LeBron reached his ultimate prime, there were small forwards who had better post games. That didn't mean they were better than LeBron.

In the same light, Kevin Durant doesn't have a post game. In fact, he's a pretty bad post player...but is he better than Paul Pierce, overall? Most definitely, yes. Is he better than Luol Deng, who can post up? Yes, not even close.

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Howard having limited post moves means nothing, because it's all made up in the way he attacks the rim face-up, the presence he has when he is near the rim AND his back to the basket (an auto dunk if you don't double him), and the defensive presence.

Dwight also knows how to pass out of doubles.

Drew's three main post moves (lol...people act like he's Hakeem) don't make up for the low IQ on BOTH ends of the court, the inability to pass out of double teams, and the lackluster defensive efforts both on-ball AND defending the P&R and providing help D.

Yeah, we dominated Orlando in the 2009 NBA Finals. It was Howard's team...that he carried into the 2009 NBA Finals. Let's all say it together: he was the PRIMARY OPTION in an offense that was BUILT FOR HIM, built for the center position (the four out, one in), and was THE BEST defensive player on the team by miles...a team that was ranked bottom three (at some points, dead last) in defensive rating when Howard was not on the court.

He has to be fed the ball? You mean post-entry pass? ALL big men need post-entry. Otherwise, who was feeding Howard the ball in Orlando? That ball was dropped into the paint, and Howard was feeding it back out to shooters...all game long. It would swing along the perimeter, as Howard watched his presence in the paint produce points either by hockey assists to teammates, or by him just doing whatever he wanted down low.

Howard is the best center in the NBA, and it's not even close. He was last year, he is this year, and he will be next season. The only center who had a chance to dethrone him was Yao Ming, and that's it.

Nice post, Real Deal but Howard has not proved anything yet as a Laker. Check out our record, he is not that good. If he was the best center in the NBA, the Lakers would not be a mediocre team fighting desperately to reach .50%.

Edited by Nak, January 18, 2013 - 01:19 PM.

[Real Deal]

Nice post, Real Deal but Howard has not proved anything yet as a Laker. Check out our record, he is not that good. If he was the best center in the NBA, the Lakers would not be a mediocre team fighting desperately to reach .50%.

They are playing average basketball because of an offense that doesn't suit their two best superstars + a lack of a defensive system.

Did you claim that Kobe wasn't the best two-guard (let alone the best player) in the NBA when the Lakers went 34-48 in 2005? When we won 42 and 45 games the following seasons, was he the best two-guard?

Kobe was the best player in the league.

A team can have all the talent in the world, but if you aren't going to play around a player's strengths, build around a 39-year old veteran instead of two superstars, and not direct your players with a defensive system of SOME KIND that they can stick with an entire season (instead of just assigning match-ups and asking two players to play help D), you're not going to find much success.

Bickerstaff's Lakers won games because he allowed them to take out teams with their individual talent. He didn't force an offense around anyone. He kept Mike Brown's defensive system in place (which was actually far more effective than anything we do right now), and he told them to go out and get the ball down low into the post OR in Kobe's hands. Nash didn't even play a single game under him.

That strategy would not have won us a championship, because you have to have an offense in place...but we were most definitely a playoff team going that route. We wouldn't be questioning ourselves right now.

He is the clear-cut best center in the league. He's a superstar. As a head coach, the biggest mistake you can ever make is to turn your superstars into role players, and that's what Mike D'Antoni is doing to Dwight Howard...and it comes to me as no surprise, since he doesn't believe in posting up players to begin with AND once suggested that Amare Stoudemire should play 20 feet from the rim back in Phoenix.

[Windu]

he doesn't believe in posting up players

[Piston Honda]

he doesn't believe in posting up players

In 2008, Knicks hire D'Antoni hoping he's the kind of coach that LBJ wants to play for. Then the Lakers hire D'Antoni hoping Dwight wants to play in a system that doesn't cater to bigs. AWESOME.